The 144,000 before God at the end.

[rebuilder 454]

It's a method used when you don't have an answer to try and regain control by confusing your audience.

Pot<> kettle big time.
How ironic you revert to the low ground in insults and mocking, then point to others....
SMH

 

[covenantee]

Try revelation on.
Maybe that will help.
It is there.
Maybe get an eraser?

Daniel wrote Daniel.

Not Revelation.

Read and understand Daniel.

Then you can talk about Revelation.

 

[covenantee]

It's what Jesus said about the wrath to come upon Jerusalem (which Luke recorded in Luke 21:20-24) that caused them to flee, not what Jesus said about great tribulation (which was recorded by Matthew).

Matthew, Luke, and Mark are synoptic.

All refer to the destruction of Jerusalem.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Greek takes precedence over any translation, King James or otherwise.

It makes all the difference, because Jesus did not tell His disciples to go for coffee while He began a futurized monologue irrelevant to them. What He said was directly related to what the Judaean Christians would experience within a generation.

They remembered Jesus' warning, heeded it, fled, and survived.

Thankfully, they were not dispensational futurites.

Nothing to do with "the time of the end".

No
We can all see the end time events have not happened.
Stop acting like they have

 

[rebuilder 454]

Daniel wrote Daniel.

Not Revelation.

Read and understand Daniel.

Then you can talk about Revelation.

Then just pretend there is no book of rev.
I cant really help you

 

[Zao is life]

Pot<> kettle big time.
How ironic you revert to the low ground in insults and mocking, then point to others....
SMH

It's called banter by the British and pulling your leg by the South Africans but you call it insults and mocking and low ground.

And there I was thinking you had a sense of humor ..

PS: Are you German?

 

[covenantee]

No
We can all see the end time events have not happened.
Stop acting like they have

Speak for yourself.

Explain how you can see what isn't there.

Stop contorting Scripture into your delusional dispensational deformation.

 

[covenantee]

Then just pretend there is no book of rev.
I cant really help you

Then just pretend there is no book of Daniel.

Nothing can help you.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Then just pretend there is no book of Daniel.

Nothing can help you.

Never said or implied anything about or from Daniel.
You invoked that over the dynamics of revelation.
You introduced it.
I never said or implied anything of Daniel.
You need that hyper transposing for some reason.

 

[covenantee]

Never said or implied anything about or from Daniel.
You invoked that over the dynamics of revelation.
You introduced it.
I never said or implied anything of Daniel.
You need that hyper transposing for some reason.

Never said or implied anything about or from Revelation.
You invoked that over the dynamics of Daniel.
You introduced it.
I never said or implied anything of Revelation.
You need that hyper transposing for some reason.

 

[Zao is life]

Then just pretend there is no book of rev.
I cant really help you

Daniel 9:26-27 talks about many abominations that are associated with the coming of the Messiah and the destruction of the temple and the city of Jerusalem.

Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31 and Daniel 12:11 speak about an abomination in the holy place of the temple in Jerusalem which was set up by Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 167 BC that is not associated with the destruction of either the city of Jerusalem, or of the temple in it, which is a type of the man of sin seating himself up in the New Testament Temple.

You have two completely different references to two completely different abominations in two completely different epochs conflated with one another.

If Daniel 9:27 has not yet been fulfilled then Messiah has not yet come and has not yet been cut off and the many abominations it's referring to have not yet occurred and the city and its temple have not yet been destroyed.​

 

[Zao is life]

Matthew, Luke, and Mark are synoptic.

All refer to the destruction of Jerusalem.

No. All refer to the the tribulation that the living stones of the N.T Temple will face that is coming at the end of the age, and return of Christ, and one of them refers also to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

 

[ewq1938]

He wrote it. In Luke 21:23 Luke uses the word wrath.

You said he wrote "God's wrath" which he did not write.

 

[Zao is life]

FOTG, you say a lot of really good things (in my opinion, of course), and I thought we were on the same page regarding the millennium, but based on this, it seems not. It seems you too suppose God's millennium to be future only. Is that correct? Or perhaps instead of 'millennium' you mean to say 'eternal life' and/or 'the new heaven and new earth'...?

This is a puzzling statement also:

Do you not believe that once you are born again of the Spirit, you are eternally secure in Christ?

Grace and peace to you.

-- He (Christ) alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light,

whom no human has ever seen

or is able to see.

To him be honor and eternal power! Amen. --- 1 Timothy 6:15-16, NETfree version.

-- "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life within Himself" -- John 5:26

Adam did not abide in the Word in whom is life (John 1:2 & 4), which says: ".. in the day that you eat of it, dying you shall die" (Genesis 2:17).

When he believed the word that said instead, "You shall not surely die" (Genesis 3:4) - which implied that Adam's eternal life | immortality was in himself - he began to die.

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered. And they gather and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done to you." (John 15:6-7).

After the resurrection our immortality will still be in Christ and not in ourselves.

Adam believed he would not die.​

 

[Zao is life]

You said he wrote "God's wrath" which he did not write.

The wrath that came upon Jerusalem that Luke wrote about in Luke 21:23 was God's wrath, not Luke's.

 

[David in NJ]

It's called banter by the British and pulling your leg by the South Africans but you call it insults and mocking and low ground.

And there I was thinking you had a sense of humor ..

PS: Are you German?

German, Italian and Russian could all play into that.........and don't forget the Irish

 

[amigo de christo]

German, Italian and Russian could all play into that.........and don't forget the Irish

Men do as men do. lambs do as JESUS SAID DO and heed not the voice of the stranger which says HAS GOD REALLY SAID
and then tries and omits the truth .
Many men , many churches , many peoples , nations and all
have tried to pry the bible and that GOD and HIS CHRIST from the hearts and hands of lambs .
WONT BE HAPPENING .
Now if GOD does allow this lamb to be killed by men , THEN they can pry that bible FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS .
NOTHING can seperate the lambs FROM the LOVE OF GOD nor HIS LOVE for HIS TRUTH from our hearts .
WE STAYING DUG IN THAT BIBLE and we WONT COMPROMISE as have many . NOW HIT THE TRENCHES david
cause its gonna get much worse and harsh times are coming against the lambs who wont conform .

 

[Zao is life]

Men do as men do. lambs do as JESUS SAID DO and heed not the voice of the stranger which says HAS GOD REALLY SAID
and then tries and omits the truth .
Many men , many churches , many peoples , nations and all
have tried to pry the bible and that GOD and HIS CHRIST from the hearts and hands of lambs .
WONT BE HAPPENING .
Now if GOD does allow this lamb to be killed by men , THEN they can pry that bible FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS .
NOTHING can seperate the lambs FROM the LOVE OF GOD nor HIS LOVE for HIS TRUTH from our hearts .
WE STAYING DUG IN THAT BIBLE and we WONT COMPROMISE as have many . NOW HIT THE TRENCHES david
cause its gonna get much worse and harsh times are coming against the lambs who wont conform .

It's coming upon us all because it's the way we all individually and Christ's church corporately is going to be purged of the sins we have collected like dust on an unused Bible. There is a reason why Jesus taught us to end our supplications to the Father with "Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from the evil".

 

[ewq1938]

The wrath that came upon Jerusalem that Luke wrote about in Luke 21:23 was God's wrath, not Luke's.

No one has incorrectly said it was Luke's or I would have corrected that. It also does not say God's wrath, just wrath. If this is the trib period, and it is in every OD we have, then it is satan's wrath as per Rev 12:17.

 

[Zao is life]

German, Italian and Russian could all play into that.........and don't forget the Irish

The Russians have a worse and scarier accent when they're not having a sense of humor than even the Germans. The Italians have such a funny accent when they're not having a sense of humor that they make you laugh and anger them even more. The Irish just become unintelligible.