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Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life
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Zao is life
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John 10:25-30
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
Those who follow Christ, remaining in the vine will receive eternal life!
Paul, at the end of his life, finally says "I have run my race, I have kept the faith". Lord Jesus calls those who have already "conquered" by faith, believers in the Churches, to yet "conquer"--"to the one who conquers..."
They are receiving the substance in the Vine--the eternal life that is located only in the Son (1 Jn 5:11), the Spirit (1 Jn 3:24)--as long as they're abiding by obeying God's commands to believe in the Name of God's Son and love one another (1 Jn 3:23,24).
Lol, this is like my tongue twister on the accusing, of the accused by the accusers to be the accusers, that you didn't get the other day....lol
Zao is life
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God said even the demons believe, and tremble. God said those who believe in and follow Him will not be lost.
So give us the verse/s which you believe teaches that God says you cannot be lost, regardless of whether or not you follow Him/abide in the Vine, so we can look at them.
Zao is life
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The first lie was "you will not surely die". It's still the same lie that can still trip up God's people today - the sons and daughters of Adam who have been born anew into the last Adam.
Zao is life
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We do not believe we are worthy. We know Jesus is worthy, and we know He said those who hear His voice and follow Him/abide in the Vine will not perish, and so we follow Him/abide in the Vine because we hear His voice. It's an ongoing, life-long process.
You've been doing the same thing. You just don't know it.
Well, I'm not 100% sure about that, since, "They will walk with Me in White, for they are worthy". It doesn't mean we consider ourselves worthy (that judgment is up to God, because only He judges righteous judgment), but we know the bases are keeping His commands (1 Jn 3:23,24).
Zao is life
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1 John 3
23 And this is His commandment, that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, AND love one another, as He gave us commandment.
24 And he who keeps His commandment dwells in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit which He gave to us.
QUESTION: According to the above, who dwells in Christ, and in Whom does Jesus abide?
Jesus dwells in the one who keeps His commandment.
What comes after the "AND" in His commandment?
".. AND love one another, as He gave us commandment."
John 15:12-14
"This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. No one has greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do whatever I command you."
You cannot take what comes after the "AND" out of His commandment mentioned in 1 John 3:23 or what comes after the "AND" where Jesus says, "My sheep hear My voice and I know them" and expect that salvation comes to those who believe but do not practice what comes after the 'AND' in each statement.
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, AND they follow Me." John 10:27.
Abiding in the Vine, following Him, loving one another - it''s all talking about the same thing.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN PRACTICE:
1.
John 15:4-5
Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remains in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.
I am the Vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
2.
1 John 3:17-18
But whoever has this world's goods and sees his brother having need, and shuts up his bowels from him, how does the love of God dwell in him?
My children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
James 2:15-18
If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and if one of you says to them, Go in peace, be warmed and filled, but you do not give them those things which are needful to the body, what good is it? Even so, if it does not have works, faith is dead, being by itself. But someone will say, You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
James 2:1-4: My brothers, do not have the faith of our Lord Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
For if there comes a gold-fingered man in fancy clothing into your assembly, and if there also comes in a poor man in shabby clothing, and if you have respect to him who has the fancy clothing and say to him, You sit here in a good place, and say to the poor, You stand there, or sit here under my footstool;
Did you not make a difference among yourselves and became judges with evil thoughts?
Matthew 25:37-40
Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You? Or thirsty, and gave You drink? When did we see You a stranger, and took You in? Or naked, and clothed You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You?
And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you have done it to Me.
23 And this is His commandment, that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, AND love one another, as He gave us commandment.
24 And he who keeps His commandment dwells in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit which He gave to us.
QUESTION: According to the above, who dwells in Christ, and in Whom does Jesus abide?
Jesus dwells in the one who keeps His commandment.
What comes after the "AND" in His commandment?
".. AND love one another, as He gave us commandment."
John 15:12-14
"This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. No one has greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do whatever I command you."
You cannot take what comes after the "AND" out of His commandment mentioned in 1 John 3:23 or what comes after the "AND" where Jesus says, "My sheep hear My voice and I know them" and expect that salvation comes to those who believe but do not practice what comes after the 'AND' in each statement.
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, AND they follow Me." John 10:27.
Abiding in the Vine, following Him, loving one another - it''s all talking about the same thing.
THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN PRACTICE:
1.
John 15:4-5
Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remains in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.
I am the Vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
2.
1 John 3:17-18
But whoever has this world's goods and sees his brother having need, and shuts up his bowels from him, how does the love of God dwell in him?
My children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
James 2:15-18
If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and if one of you says to them, Go in peace, be warmed and filled, but you do not give them those things which are needful to the body, what good is it? Even so, if it does not have works, faith is dead, being by itself. But someone will say, You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
James 2:1-4: My brothers, do not have the faith of our Lord Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
For if there comes a gold-fingered man in fancy clothing into your assembly, and if there also comes in a poor man in shabby clothing, and if you have respect to him who has the fancy clothing and say to him, You sit here in a good place, and say to the poor, You stand there, or sit here under my footstool;
Did you not make a difference among yourselves and became judges with evil thoughts?
Matthew 25:37-40
Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You? Or thirsty, and gave You drink? When did we see You a stranger, and took You in? Or naked, and clothed You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You?
And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you have done it to Me.
Zao is life
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"However, the grammar doesn't allow that. It would be saying, if your faith doesn't continue, you will stop having been permanently made into a partaker. And that's terrible grammar! It's a self contradictory statement."
The above assertion is a contradiction of the second statement in the same post:
"The true grammar of the passage is telling us, you've been permanently made a partaker if your faith continues."
Something comes after the "IF" in the second statement, contradicting the first assertion.
Too many want to discount the conjunctions of the and, buts, therefore, whereby ect of the word of God that connect the two thoughts or better yet make null & void the "IF's" that are found.
These define God's expectations of his pl; those whom follow him !
There are blessings and consequences designed for our benefit to fulfill his promises.
I do not understand why ppl make it make hard to live and excuse the same to fall.
These define God's expectations of his pl; those whom follow him !
There are blessings and consequences designed for our benefit to fulfill his promises.
I do not understand why ppl make it make hard to live and excuse the same to fall.
Zao is life
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We are only worthy because we are covered with the righteousness of Christ, who is the LORD our righteousness.
It's not "our" righteousness that makes us worthy. It's our faith in HIM because HE is righteous, and it comes to us through our faith and obedience through our faith.
Zao is life
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OK I see what you mean now. You mean I don't know because I can't know if he's been doing the same thing without even knowing it.
Idk what you mean. I'm saying JESUS says "they are worthy"--know even if that's because they're obeyed the command to believe His love is given to them freely, and they're not deserving of it, then that is the basis, and they fulfilled it.
Yeah, "clothed in White"--"God Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6). "God's righteousness is revealed from faith to faith" (Ro 1:5,16,17, 14:5,23).
Zao is life
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I wasn't sure what you meant, and I wrongly assumed you meant one of two things, but you meant a third thing, which is that JESUS says "they are worthy". I agree.Actually it's God the Father who says we are worthy because He sees the righteousness of Christ when He sees us, and it covers our sins because of our faith in Jesus and our obedience through faith.
Jesus has made us worthy, and it's imputed to us through our faith in Him and obedience through our faith. The Father declares us worthy.
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