Christ Died for All

[One 2 question]

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So, how do you deal with "a 1000 years is as a de you suggesting we take that literally as well, or do we only take it literally when it supports your agenda or doctrine???

What has your inner divine Adjudicator, Interpretor, the indwelling Spirit of Truth revealed to you in relation to this statement, But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Did He tell you to take it literally? Did He tell you not to?

Many people use the bible to build an argument in favour of a literal interpretation and many use the same bible to prove it's not literal.

Therefore the bible isn't a reliable decision maker tool.

 

[Scott Downey]

A song was sung in heaven and it goes like this.....
Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Absolutely.
The earth gets a makeover as the new earth as does heaven becomes the new heaven.
They are recreated according to the pattern God made of them in the beginning and God made the earth to be inhabited.

But it is still the earth and the heaven even though a new creation. It is just made new again.
I do believe the old earth and old heaven perish and pass away and it says no place is found for them, so they are gone.

And when do they begin to reign?
Well, they reign with Christ on His throne now and in the future. Revelation 3:21
And they reign with Christ in the Holy City that descends from heaven onto the earth., with God dwelling among them, they reign with Him on the earth. And that reign never ends.

Revelation 21
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the [h]great city, the [i]holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal. 12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.


Here are the relevant verses for the people of God who overcome the world

1. Revelation 2:7
   “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Revelation 2:11
   “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
3. Revelation 2:17
   “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.” ’
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4. Revelation 2:26
   And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—
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5. Revelation 3:5
   He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
6. Revelation 3:12
   He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
7. Revelation 3:21
   To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
8. Revelation 21:7
   He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

 

[Scott Downey]

W

What has your inner divine Adjudicator, Interpretor, the indwelling Spirit of Truth revealed to you in relation to this statement, But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Did He tell you to take it literally? Did He tell you not to?

Many people use the bible to build an argument in favour of a literal interpretation and many use the same bible to prove it's not literal.

Therefore the bible isn't a reliable decision maker tool.

Peter writes that as a counter to the scoffers who are going to say in the last days, where is the promise of His coming, for ever since the fathers fell asleep, nothing has changed.
That is the reference to understand a 1000 years is as a day to God, so Christ is not yet returned is as if only 2 days have passed for God.

 

[One 2 question]

Absolutely.
The earth gets a makeover as the new earth as does heaven becomes the new heaven.
They are recreated according to the pattern God made of them in the beginning and God made the earth to be inhabited.

But it is still the earth and the heaven even though a new creation. It is just made new again.
I do believe the old earth and old heaven perish and pass away and it says no place is found for them, so they are gone.

And when do they begin to reign?
Well, they reign with Christ on His throne now and in the future. Revelation 3:21
And they reign with Christ in the Holy City that descends from heaven onto the earth., with God dwelling among them, they reign with Him on the earth. And that reign never ends.

Revelation 21
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the [h]great city, the [i]holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal. 12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.


Here are the relevant verses for the people of God who overcome the world

1. Revelation 2:7
   “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Revelation 2:11
   “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
3. Revelation 2:17
   “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it.” ’
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
4. Revelation 2:26
   And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
5. Revelation 3:5
   He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
6. Revelation 3:12
   He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
7. Revelation 3:21
   To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
8. Revelation 21:7
   He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

We have a great future ahead of us. To reign, to rule, to serve under King Jesus now and in His coming kingdom.

And to reside in the New Jerusalem, the Holy City.

Then to restore and complete the rest of the creation, the heavens that are groaning now, longing to be released from being subject to decay, just as we are up til now.

What an awesome hope we have.

 

[Scott Downey]

We have a great future ahead of us. To reign, to rule, to serve under King Jesus now and in His coming kingdom.

And to reside in the New Jerusalem, the Holy City.

Then to restore and complete the rest of the creation, the heavens that are groaning now, longing to be released from being subject to decay, just as we are up til now.

What an awesome hope we have.

Here you go in Romans 8 about the creation, which will be liberated from the cycle of decay, the bondage of corruption, along with ourselves at that wonderful glorious time to come.

From Suffering to Glory​

18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of [f]corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

 

[Scott Downey]

And this

2 Peter 3

The Day of the Lord​

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

And this
1 Peter 1

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:

Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Praise to God for a Living Hope​

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

Be Holy​

13 Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober, set your hope on the grace to be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed at his coming. 14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”[a]

17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear. 18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart.[b] 23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,

“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25 but the word of the Lord endures forever.”[c]
And this is the word that was preached to you.