Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

[Eternally Grateful]

And if you accuse anyone you have been disagreeing with in this thread of believing or saying they can, then you are falsely accusing them. You should read what people say because you argue with them about things you agree with them about.

Yet they continue to prove I am right about what I said about them.. Next...

No one you having speaking to in this thread says that. But abiding in Jesus produces fruit that can be seen. If it is not seen, they are not abiding or were abiding and are no longer abiding.

Then the OP says they are no longer saved, and lose eternal life.

Do you agree with the OP?

Death is the result. Jesus said so when He said we are to abide in Him. Please don't argue against Jesus.

I am not arguing against jesus. Jesus said we will never die.. The op says we can die even though we believed.. He is not listening to Jesus.

No one you having speaking to in this thread says that anything else is the case.

The only difference is you assert that it does not matter what someone does or does not do after being born again - whether they abide in the Vine or not.

Which is false.

No, I did not assert anything.

I suggest you stop accusing me falsely

I said people WILL ABIDE.

If they WILL ABIDE, there is no situation when they will NOT ABIDE..

Keep it coming....

 

[Zao is life]

Nope

The OP said abiding in Christ is NECESSARY to eternal life

I say Abiding in christ is THE RESULT of receiving eternal life;.

See the difference?

One is trying to earn eternal life (the op)

I am a new creature who is living out my eternal life.

Whether or not to remain in Christ all your life is your choice.

Jesus did not purchase your salvation from the time you are born again until the time you die regardless of whether or not you fall away later.

 

[Zao is life]

but Jesus says nothing about branches that bear fruit but then later stop bearing fruit.

That's false. He does speak about it. You don't understand what He said. Or you ignore it by choice. I won't know which one of the two is the reason.

5 I am the Vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered. And they gather and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. (John 15)

No one can be cast out who was not abiding in the Vine before he was cast out.

 

[Zao is life]

In John 10:27-28, we read - My sheep hear My voice, (not some of them hear His voice and some of them don't hear His voice) and I know them, (not some of them He knows and some of them He doesn't know) and they follow Me. (not some of them follow Him and some of them don't follow Him) And I give them eternal life, (not some of them He gives eternal life and some of them He doesn't give eternal life) and they shall never perish; (not some of them will never perish and some of them will perish) neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (not some of them will never be snatched out of His hand and some of them will be snatched out of His hand)

In CONTRAST with those do not believe and are not His sheep. (John 10:25-26)

Those sheep of Jesus who believe in Him but who later draw away stop abiding in the Vine by their own choice. Not by Jesus' choice. As long as they abide, no one can snatch them out of His hand.

You're making it like the sheep who believe become robots and slaves and begin living by instinct, incapable of making any choices because they are saved.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Which is what everyone who you've been arguing the point with has said.

The difference is you don't seem to believe it's possible to have walked by faith and produced the works produced by faith and then fallen away.

No I do not because god said he will not let me go. I will never die

You may be like me and believe a licentious gospel is a false gospel. However you go 180 out and turn the grace of god to legalism

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Those sheep of Jesus who believe in Him but who later draw away stop abiding in the Vine by their own choice. Not by Jesus' choice. As long as they abide, no one can snatch them out of His hand.

You're making it like the sheep who believe become robots and slaves and begin living by instinct, incapable of making any choices because they are saved.

See here you go

It is all about you no God

You have to do this

When you use the word I. You need to run because I is self serving.

The Pharisee said I. The tax collector cried to God. He did not say I. He said God (you) have mercy on me. Because he had nothing to offer. He was guilty

 

[Zao is life]

No I do not because god said he will not let me go. I will never die

You may be like me and believe a licentious gospel is a false gospel. However you go 180 out and turn the grace of god to legalism

No I don't. But the implication of what you say is the false accusation of "those who fall away were never saved".

Jesus said those who do not abide in Him will fall away. They cannot fall away before they were abiding.

None of Jesus' sheep become robots incapable of making personal choices once they are saved, or because they are saved.

 

[Zao is life]

See here you go

It is all about you no God

You have to do this

When you use the word I. You need to run because I is self serving.

The Pharisee said I. The tax collector cried to God. He did not say I. He said God (you) have mercy on me. Because he had nothing to offer. He was guilty

Lol. You don't extract what the Word means. You change the meaning to suit your doctrine. I don't run. I correct your changing of the Word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Whether or not to remain in Christ all your life is your choice.

Jesus did not purchase your salvation from the time you are born again until the time you die regardless of whether or not you fall away later.

Lol. He died 2000 years ago

He knew what sin you would commit when you were born

He knew everything you would do after when he saved you

Again why do you not trust God to completely save you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No I don't. But the implication of what you say is the false accusation of "those who fall away were never saved".

A child of God can not fall away God will not let them any
More than you would let your child jump off a cliff

People can have the gospel. Not respond to it and then fall away from the gospel having never received it. They were never made a new creature

Jesus said those who do not abide in Him will fall away. They cannot fall away before they were abiding.

None of Jesus' sheep become robots incapable of making personal choices once they are saved, or because they are saved.

Jesus sheep FOLLOW him

Have you ever seen a sheep? They are not very smart. They wander away all the time. But when the shepherd comes. They follow

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Lol. You don't extract what the Word means. You change the meaning to suit your doctrine. I don't run. I correct your changing of the Word.

Like you do the word eternal and never?

you are running from the promises of Gid and attacking me because I base my hope on those promises

 

[Zao is life]

Again why do you not trust God to completely save you?

False accusations without any basis start coming again.

Can I ask you kindly to start placing your false accusations in alphabetical order so that I can remember which ones I have answered and which ones I haven't please?

I'll store them in the correct folder titled "Red Herrings" of course.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

False accusations without any basis start coming again.

Can I ask you kindly to start placing your false accusations in alphabetical order so that I can remember which ones I have answered and which ones I haven't please?

I'll store them in the correct folder titled "Red Herrings" of course.

Show me where I have falsely accused you

Did you or did not say salvation is not purchased from Christ from the time you are born again until the time you die? In other words he has not completely saved you yet?

 

[Zao is life]

Like you do the word eternal and never?

Eternal: Eternal life|immortality is in Christ alone, according to the scriptures. We receive eternal life through faith in Him and abiding in the Vine, who is Christ, and loving one another, as He gave us commandment.

Never: Jesus said that as long as we abide in Him we will never die.

 

[Zao is life]

Show me where I have falsely accused you

It was obvious - right above in your post I quoted, in the place where I said false accusations are coming again.

1. You falsely accused me of something.
2. I quoted it, saying your false accusations are coming again, and asking you to list your false accusations in alphabetical order.
3. You ask me to show you where you falsely accused me.

What high school did you go to?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Eternal: Eternal life|immortality is in Christ alone, according to the scriptures. We receive eternal life through faith in Him and abiding in the Vine, who is Christ and loving one another, as He gave us commandment.

Never: Jesus said that as long as we abide in Him we will never die.

Wrong

We receive eternal life when we place our trust in him

It’s a gift. A gift can not be earned

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It was obvious - right above in your post I quoted, in the place where I said false accusations are coming again.

1. You falsely accused me of something.
2. I quoted it, saying your false accusations are coming again, and asking you to list your false accusations in alphabetical order.
3. You ask me to show you where you falsely accused me.

What high school did you go to?

You did not prove a falsely accused you

To falsely accuse something is to say they said something or believe something that is not true.

You have done that to me multiple times by the way

I asked when you would trust God to
Completely save you and proved you have not done it yet by showing where said in effect Gid did not save you completely when you were born again

So you in effect falsely accused me of falsely accusing you

 

[L.A.M.B.]

The " gift" of God is Salvation !
Eternal life is the promise of those who follow Christ til death and abide in the vine all of their days!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The " gift" of God is Salvation !
Eternal life is the promise of those who follow Christ til death and abide in the vine all of their days!

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift ofGod is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

You can’t earn eternal Life by doing anything. It is a gift

You either received t in faith or you reject it in unbelief

 

[Zao is life]

Eternal: Eternal life|immortality is in Christ alone, according to the scriptures. We receive eternal life through faith in Him and abiding in the Vine, who is Christ, and loving one another, as He gave us commandment.

Never: Jesus said that as long as we abide in Him we will never die.

Wrong

We receive eternal life when we place our trust in him

It’s a gift. A gift can not be earned

What letters in the word "receive" in my post spell "earned"?