Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

[GracePeace]

1 John 2: 3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

1 John 3: 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Is obedience because we entered the narrow Gate.

or is it required to enter the narrow Gate?

Oops! He speaks of a way, as well, not just a gate.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They allege another passage says "whoever comes to Me I will never cast out", but it says "whoever is coming to Me", another "abiding" verse.

So is Jesus walking away from us while we are coming to him?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oops! He speaks of both a way as well not just a gate.

lol.. there is one gospel/. not two.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Should I bring a helmet or an umbrella, lol! Without reading past the second page I'm guessing OSAS is at the bottom of most of it.....it always causes contention.

I would say it is Gods promises that is in contention.

 

[Zao is life]

Jesus's Name is "God Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6).

When we abide in Him, "God Is Our Righteousness".

The righteousness of faith is defined as "being forgiven" (Ro 4:6-8).

So, people say "That's a negative righteousness, like saying our bank account is at zero, but we need a positive righteousness, too," so they speculate that "Jesus imputed His righteousness to us".

Think about that for moment: if God assesses your life, is He going to congratulate you for things Christ did? "Thank you for going to the Cross and dying for all men"? You will not be told that--nor will anything else He did be addressed to you.

So, what is the "positive righteousness"? If we don't accept His testimony, we call God "liar" (1 Jn 5)--if we do accept His testimony, we call God "true". That is our "positive righteousness"--we have called God "true".

Recall that all unrighteousness suppresses God's truth (Ro 1:18), so if faith in Him is saying He is true, it is revealing His truth in the world, thus it is righteousness. This, too, is an act of God, since it is only His grace that permits it (Ro 2), but it is not "the righteous life of Christ imputed to us", it's an act of God done in our lives together with us.

I disagree. Christ's righteousness is imputed to the believer through his faith, not "by" his faith.

Our sin will forever stain any righteousness we might think we have. We qualify for zero righteousness of our own, but ALL Christ's righteousness is imputed to us through our faith. Our faith is not "righteous". It's faith in Christ, who is righteous.

It's Christ's righteousness imputed to us. It's ALL Christ's righteousness and His righteousness and His once-for-all sacrifice for sin is sufficient. No other "type" of righteousness such as you speak of is needed.​

 

[GracePeace]

dude your stuck on one verse out of millions.

the context of that passage is producing fruit..

Jesus said our works will be tried by fire.. If our work endures, we will recieve reward. if not. we will suffer loss, but we ourselves will be saved even as through fire.

You falsley accuse me over and over of saying your not trying to earn salvation. yet EVERY TIME YOU POST, you say we must earn salvation (we MUST ABIDE)

My God saved people COMPLETELY, he also attaches us to the vine. and he who began a good work WILL COMPLETE IT.

If thise makes me evil for believing this in your mind. then I would rather be evil than try to enter God on my own accord by my own actions or inaction.

Branches that don't abide and bear fruit are thrown in the fire. Fruit bearing is a matter that concerns eternal life. Dovetailing with 1 Jn 3:23,24 teaching those who abide are supplied with the Spirit that is only in Christ (1 Jn 5:11).

 

[GracePeace]

So is Jesus walking away from us while we are coming to him?

People may not persist in going to Him We aren't frozen in time. Time goes on, there are new decisions to be made every moment.

 

[GracePeace]

I disagree. Christ's righteousness is imputed to the believer through his faith, not "by" his faith.

Our sin will forever stain any righteousness we might think we have. We qualify for zero righteousness of our own, but ALL Christ's righteousness is imputed to us through our faith. Our faith is not "righteous". It's faith in Christ, who is righteous.

It's Christ's righteousness imputed to us.​

My post debunked that position. You're free to address the particulars if you please.

 

[Zao is life]

Amen

Sealed until the day

Not sealed until we fall away

It says no longer sealed IF we fall away. There's no commandment to fall away. There's a warning about falling away.

 

[Lizbeth]

1 John 2: 3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

1 John 3: 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Is obedience because we entered the narrow Gate.

or is it required to enter the narrow Gate?

it's not just about entering though. Once having entered the narrow gate, if we carry on living in this world, we now need to WALK on the narrow path. It matters how we walk.

 

[GracePeace]

lol.. there is one gospel/. not two.

Yup, and the Gospel says we abide in Him if we believe in the Name of His Son and love others.

If you say we automatically love bc we believe, then you're saying Christians don't sin--an untenable position.

 

[GracePeace]

it's not just about entering though. Once having entered the narrow gate, if we carry on living in this world, we now need to WALK on the narrow path. It matters how we walk.

Their view of "Christ alone" explains why they read Romans 7 as if it describes a Christian's life--that's what they expect from their life.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I disagree. Christ's righteousness is imputed to the believer through his faith, not "by" his faith.

Our sin will forever stain any righteousness we might think we have. We qualify for zero righteousness of our own, but ALL Christ's righteousness is imputed to us through our faith. Our faith is not "righteous". It's faith in Christ, who is righteous.

It's Christ's righteousness imputed to us.​

YES

this is why we are PERMANENTLY SAVED completely

Not because we are or will be righteous. But because HE WAS RIGHTEOUS. and [aid the price of redemption on the cross.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

People may not persist in going to Him We aren't frozen in time. Time goes on, there are new decisions to be made every moment.

lol.. then they were never saved yet

Your not saved UNTIL you recieve him. he meets you face to face..

Many try walking to him, and are even drawn to him, but never make it..

 

[Zao is life]

My post debunked that position. You're free to address the particulars if you please.

I don't have to, though. You need to provide scripture which teaches that the type of righteousness which you referred to is also needed.

 

[GracePeace]

YES

this is why we are PERMANENTLY SAVED completely

Not because we are or will be righteous. But because HE WAS RIGHTEOUS. and [aid the price of redemption on the cross.

Those who abide in Him were saved, are being saved, and will be saved.

 

[Zao is life]

YES

this is why we are PERMANENTLY SAVED completely

Not because we are or will be righteous. But because HE WAS RIGHTEOUS. and [aid the price of redemption on the cross.

Except that Jesus warned you and I that if we do not abide in Him, we will be cast out and wither and die, and be burned.

Think of a grape vine. The example is EASY to understand. Jesus used a perfectly EASY example to understand. I don't understand why you or anyone else does not understand. @Eternally Grateful See the post below:

Those who abide in Him were saved, are being saved, and will be saved.

 

[GracePeace]

I don't have to, though. You need to provide scripture which teaches that the type of righteousness which you referred to is also needed.

It's not the topic, anyway, so it's better not to pursue it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It says no longer sealed IF we fall away. There's no commandment to fall away. There's a warning about falling away.

It says sealed UNTIL the day of redemption (there are actually three places it says this

Ephesians 4:30

And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. (were a completed action)

Ephesians 1:13

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, (this occurs AFTER we trust God)

2 Corinthians 1:22
who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

It does not say sealed UNTIL or as long as we do not Fall away

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Those who abide in Him were saved, are being saved, and will be saved.

Nope

those people are trying to save themselves by abiding.

they are not abiding because they are saved.