Eternally Grateful
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No but you said receive AND….
You say you must do the “and” to keep eternal life
That’s the definition of earning it
Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life
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You say you must do the “and” to keep eternal life
That’s the definition of earning it
Zao is life
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Eternally Grateful
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Does god save you completely when you are born again
Or do you have to do something to keep or maintain it?
Zao is life
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So would you like the translators of the Bible to take the apostle John's teaching out after the word "and" in the verse below, because according to you John is teaching false doctrine by including something which you interpret as "earning" salvation"?
1 John 3
23 And this is His commandment, that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
Was Jesus telling us that we have to earn our salvation when He said, "I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. As I have loved you, you should also love one another." -- John 13:34
How about abiding in the Vine? Was that a commandment that we need to "earn" our salvation by, or a statement of fact?:
5 I am the Vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered. And they gather and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. -- John 15.
You've made it obvious by now that you confuse the word "abide" in the words "abide in Me" with the words "works" and "earn", and you confuse the words "and love one another" likewise with the words "works", and "earn".
@Eternally Grateful AND you confuse the words whoever does not abide and cast out with the words "worked for", and "earned".
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Zao is life
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You have to not do something in order not to lose it.
Jesus words, not mine.
What do you think that might be?
Eternally Grateful
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No I would like you to translate those passages properly. And admit they are a result of being saved not down to earn salvation
Zao is life
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You change the wording of the record of Jesus' and John's teaching if you want it changed. I don't mess around with the scripture.
You've made it obvious by now that you confuse the words whoever does not abide and cast out with the words "worked for", and "earned".
Eternally Grateful
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Just another way of saying you have to.
I have to abide if I fail I will lose
Eternally Grateful
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You change the words of Never to maybe not. and eternal to conditional.
I have not changed the words at all. The passage you are talking about is not discussing eternal life. it is discussing Sanctification. or fruit bearing..
Context context..
Rockerduck
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Praise God, Halleluiah. Jesus is coming soon. I'm excited and ready, I've been washed in His Blood and sealed until the day.
Ephesians 1:12-14 -
12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Ephesians 1:12-14 -
12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Jesus's Name is "God Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6).I wasn't sure what you meant, and I wrongly assumed you meant one of two things, but you meant a third thing, which is that JESUS says "they are worthy". I agree.
Actually it's God the Father who says we are worthy because He sees the righteousness of Christ when He sees us, and it covers our sins because of our faith in Jesus and our obedience through faith.
Jesus has made us worthy, and it's imputed to us through our faith in Him and obedience through our faith. The Father declares us worthy.
When we abide in Him, "God Is Our Righteousness".
The righteousness of faith is defined as "being forgiven" (Ro 4:6-8).
So, people say "That's a negative righteousness, like saying our bank account is at zero, but we need a positive righteousness, too," so they speculate that "Jesus imputed His righteousness to us".
Think about that for moment: if God assesses your life, is He going to congratulate you for things Christ did? "Thank you for going to the Cross and dying for all men"? You will not be told that--nor will anything else He did be addressed to you.
So, what is the "positive righteousness"? If we don't accept His testimony, we call God "liar" (1 Jn 5)--if we do accept His testimony, we call God "true". That is our "positive righteousness"--we have called God "true".
Recall that all unrighteousness suppresses God's truth (Ro 1:18), so if faith in Him is saying He is true, it is revealing His truth in the world, thus it is righteousness. This, too, is an act of God, since it is only His grace that permits it (Ro 2), but it is not "the righteous life of Christ imputed to us", it's an act of God done in our lives together with us.
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It doesn't have to be the exact same words as long as it is accurately conveying the right idea. But it happens in this case, scripture does mention supply of the Spirit in those exact words:
Phl 1:18-20
What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
Amen. Good topic. Just realized this thread is 50 pages long, so probably I'm only repeating what others have said....but just wanted to put my two cents i the pot......that obedience and being on the narrow way that leads to life go hand in hand. If we're living in utter disobedience to God, we are not on the narrow way that leads to life.
I'd say half of the 50 pages was just poop-flinging, so if you skip over that it should be an quick read.
Eternally Grateful
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Zao is life
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You change thew words of "whoever does not abide in Me is cast out" to
"Never!"
I believe Jesus. It's you and those who believe as you do who have changed it to "whoever does not abide in Me will NEVER be cast out".
Should I bring a helmet or an umbrella, lol! Without reading past the second page I'm guessing OSAS is at the bottom of most of it.....it always causes contention.
Eternally Grateful
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1 John 2: 3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
1 John 3: 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
Is obedience because we entered the narrow Gate.
or is it required to enter the narrow Gate?
They allege another passage says "whoever comes to Me I will never cast out", but it says "whoever is coming to Me", another "abiding" verse.
Eternally Grateful
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dude your stuck on one verse out of millions.
the context of that passage is producing fruit..
Jesus said our works will be tried by fire.. If our work endures, we will recieve reward. if not. we will suffer loss, but we ourselves will be saved even as through fire.
You falsley accuse me over and over of saying your not trying to earn salvation. yet EVERY TIME YOU POST, you say we must earn salvation (we MUST ABIDE)
My God saved people COMPLETELY, he also attaches us to the vine. and he who began a good work WILL COMPLETE IT.
If thise makes me evil for believing this in your mind. then I would rather be evil than try to enter God on my own accord by my own actions or inaction.
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