Why Satan Will Be the Final Antichrist

[Davy]

Are you one who wonders at who the following "beast" is that will make war against the Church at the very end of this world? Has Christ given you spiritual ears to hear, and eyes to see, to understand the below Scripture? Or are you constantly floating from one denominational doctrine of men to another, and never coming to an understanding of the below?

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Men's doctrines, which comes from their carnal fleshy minds only, cannot grasp this deeper matter in God's Word about this "beast" that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and eventually go into perdition of the future "lake of fire".

That is why when those men do see this "beast" that will come at the very end of this world, they will "wonder" at his identity. Those men will not be any closer in figuring out his identity when they see him physically at the end, than they are today with trying to figure out who he is. This is why if you listen to those men who "wonder" at that "beast" (Antichrist), and believe what they say, you could be led to deception with them with falling away to that coming "beast", the final Antichrist, at the end of this world, thinking he is our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lord Jesus, Apostle Paul, and Apostle John all warned the Church about that coming "beast" that is to play God in a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end. Jesus called him a 'pseudochristos' which means a pseudo-Christ. (Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined that Greek word pseudochristos of Matt.24:24 as 'a spurious Messiah' - Strong's no.5580.) In 2 Thess.2, Apostle Paul identified that coming false-Messiah as the "man of sin", and "that Wicked". In Revelation 13:11-13, Apostle John was shown that coming Antichrist is a 2nd "beast", called the "another beast".

In all 3 Scripture examples of that coming false-Messiah, "man of sin", or "another beast", the miracles of great signs and wonders he is to work places this false one as the final Antichrist that is coming to deceive the whole world, excepting Christ's very elect. Notice how the following verse is another Scripture example of pointing to this Antichrist's identity...

Rev 13:4-9
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

According to Rev.12:9, that "dragon" is just another title for Satan himself. This above "beast" is about the 1st beast of Rev.13:1, which is about a beast kingdom having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. This verse is pointing to how the deceived will worship Satan, that dragon, and also his beast kingdom which Satan gives power to. That is why the deceived will say that who is able to make war with him, meaning Satan and his beast kingdom that will cover all nations and peoples on earth at the end, as revealed below...

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

Pay attention especially to that he will make war against the saints, and overcome them. That is the same prophecy of the coming false one warned about in Daniel 7:21-25, Daniel 8:24-25; Daniel 11:36-39; Revelation 11:7; and Revelation 12:7.

Even in the Revelation 12:7 verse, it is pointing directly to the "dragon" (Satan) also...

Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV


Can this mean Satan himself, in person on earth, as the final Antichrist at the end of this world?

That's what those Scriptures are pointing to.

What better entity than Satan himself would have the power of miracles for such a deception as playing God on earth? Would any flesh born man have that kind of power? Were Christ's disciples even given such power of miracles that would deceive the whole world into worshiping them as GOD?

If it were Lord Jesus Himself returning first with that show of working "great signs and wonders" on earth, that would be easy... to believe, wouldn't it? Yes, it would be, because Lord Jesus worked miracles beyond imagination at His 1st coming to be crucified. But He warned us that the Antichrist is who is coming to earth to deceive the whole world first, prior to His future return. And that Antichrist-false-Messiah is to work those "great signs and wonders" that will be so powerful in deception that if... it were possible, it would deceive even Christ's very elect (Matt.24:23-26).

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you one who wonders at who the following "beast" is that will make war against the Church at the very end of this world? Has Christ given you spiritual ears to hear, and eyes to see, to understand the below Scripture? Or are you constantly floating from one denominational doctrine of men to another, and never coming to an understanding of the below?

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Men's doctrines, which comes from their carnal fleshy minds only, cannot grasp this deeper matter in God's Word about this "beast" that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and eventually go into perdition of the future "lake of fire".

That is why when those men do see this "beast" that will come at the very end of this world, they will "wonder" at his identity. Those men will not be any closer in figuring out his identity when they see him physically at the end, than they are today with trying to figure out who he is. This is why if you listen to those men who "wonder" at that "beast" (Antichrist), and believe what they say, you could be led to deception with them with falling away to that coming "beast", the final Antichrist, at the end of this world, thinking he is our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lord Jesus, Apostle Paul, and Apostle John all warned the Church about that coming "beast" that is to play God in a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end. Jesus called him a 'pseudochristos' which means a pseudo-Christ. (Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined that Greek word pseudochristos of Matt.24:24 as 'a spurious Messiah' - Strong's no.5580.) In 2 Thess.2, Apostle Paul identified that coming false-Messiah as the "man of sin", and "that Wicked". In Revelation 13:11-13, Apostle John was shown that coming Antichrist is a 2nd "beast", called the "another beast".

In all 3 Scripture examples of that coming false-Messiah, "man of sin", or "another beast", the miracles of great signs and wonders he is to work places this false one as the final Antichrist that is coming to deceive the whole world, excepting Christ's very elect. Notice how the following verse is another Scripture example of pointing to this Antichrist's identity...

Rev 13:4-9
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

According to Rev.12:9, that "dragon" is just another title for Satan himself. This above "beast" is about the 1st beast of Rev.13:1, which is about a beast kingdom having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. This verse is pointing to how the deceived will worship Satan, that dragon, and also his beast kingdom which Satan gives power to. That is why the deceived will say that who is able to make war with him, meaning Satan and his beast kingdom that will cover all nations and peoples on earth at the end, as revealed below...

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

Pay attention especially to that he will make war against the saints, and overcome them. That is the same prophecy of the coming false one warned about in Daniel 7:21-25, Daniel 8:24-25; Daniel 11:36-39; Revelation 11:7; and Revelation 12:7.

Even in the Revelation 12:7 verse, it is pointing directly to the "dragon" (Satan) also...

Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV


Can this mean Satan himself, in person on earth, as the final Antichrist at the end of this world?

That's what those Scriptures are pointing to.

What better entity than Satan himself would have the power of miracles for such a deception as playing God on earth? Would any flesh born man have that kind of power? Were Christ's disciples even given such power of miracles that would deceive the whole world into worshiping them as GOD?

If it were Lord Jesus Himself returning first with that show of working "great signs and wonders" on earth, that would be easy... to believe, wouldn't it? Yes, it would be, because Lord Jesus worked miracles beyond imagination at His 1st coming to be crucified. But He warned us that the Antichrist is who is coming to earth to deceive the whole world first, prior to His future return. And that Antichrist-false-Messiah is to work those "great signs and wonders" that will be so powerful in deception that if... it were possible, it would deceive even Christ's very elect (Matt.24:23-26).

(The Antichrist/The Beast) will be a literal human man

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[Davidpt]

Are you one who wonders at who the following "beast" is that will make war against the Church at the very end of this world? Has Christ given you spiritual ears to hear, and eyes to see, to understand the below Scripture? Or are you constantly floating from one denominational doctrine of men to another, and never coming to an understanding of the below?

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Men's doctrines, which comes from their carnal fleshy minds only, cannot grasp this deeper matter in God's Word about this "beast" that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and eventually go into perdition of the future "lake of fire".

That is why when those men do see this "beast" that will come at the very end of this world, they will "wonder" at his identity. Those men will not be any closer in figuring out his identity when they see him physically at the end, than they are today with trying to figure out who he is. This is why if you listen to those men who "wonder" at that "beast" (Antichrist), and believe what they say, you could be led to deception with them with falling away to that coming "beast", the final Antichrist, at the end of this world, thinking he is our Lord Jesus Christ.

Lord Jesus, Apostle Paul, and Apostle John all warned the Church about that coming "beast" that is to play God in a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end. Jesus called him a 'pseudochristos' which means a pseudo-Christ. (Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined that Greek word pseudochristos of Matt.24:24 as 'a spurious Messiah' - Strong's no.5580.) In 2 Thess.2, Apostle Paul identified that coming false-Messiah as the "man of sin", and "that Wicked". In Revelation 13:11-13, Apostle John was shown that coming Antichrist is a 2nd "beast", called the "another beast".

In all 3 Scripture examples of that coming false-Messiah, "man of sin", or "another beast", the miracles of great signs and wonders he is to work places this false one as the final Antichrist that is coming to deceive the whole world, excepting Christ's very elect. Notice how the following verse is another Scripture example of pointing to this Antichrist's identity...

Rev 13:4-9
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

According to Rev.12:9, that "dragon" is just another title for Satan himself. This above "beast" is about the 1st beast of Rev.13:1, which is about a beast kingdom having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. This verse is pointing to how the deceived will worship Satan, that dragon, and also his beast kingdom which Satan gives power to. That is why the deceived will say that who is able to make war with him, meaning Satan and his beast kingdom that will cover all nations and peoples on earth at the end, as revealed below...

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

Pay attention especially to that he will make war against the saints, and overcome them. That is the same prophecy of the coming false one warned about in Daniel 7:21-25, Daniel 8:24-25; Daniel 11:36-39; Revelation 11:7; and Revelation 12:7.

Even in the Revelation 12:7 verse, it is pointing directly to the "dragon" (Satan) also...

Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV


Can this mean Satan himself, in person on earth, as the final Antichrist at the end of this world?

That's what those Scriptures are pointing to.

What better entity than Satan himself would have the power of miracles for such a deception as playing God on earth? Would any flesh born man have that kind of power? Were Christ's disciples even given such power of miracles that would deceive the whole world into worshiping them as GOD?

If it were Lord Jesus Himself returning first with that show of working "great signs and wonders" on earth, that would be easy... to believe, wouldn't it? Yes, it would be, because Lord Jesus worked miracles beyond imagination at His 1st coming to be crucified. But He warned us that the Antichrist is who is coming to earth to deceive the whole world first, prior to His future return. And that Antichrist-false-Messiah is to work those "great signs and wonders" that will be so powerful in deception that if... it were possible, it would deceive even Christ's very elect (Matt.24:23-26).

If satan and the beast are literally one and the same, it is then obviously nonsensical, thus ludicrous, to take Revelation 20 to be meaning chronologically after Revelation 19. Why? Because Revelation 19 records that the beast is cast into the LOF when Christ returns. And if the beast is satan, well he obviously can't get cast into the pit when Christ returns if he was cast into the LOF at the time instead.

 

[strepho]

Revelation chapter 12. Satan is accusser in heaven. Michael boots satan to earth at the 6th trump, revelation chapter 12 to document.

Satan is coming 6th trump in his role as false messiah.
Second thessalonians chapter 2 to d, son of perdition will go into temple of God and claim to be God.

This is satan as antichrist near future.

Second thessalonians chapter 2. God is sending strong delusions on those who love not the truth.

Those who worshipped antichrist near future, will be in sheol. It's holding place for the spirtualty dead or wicked until judgement day.

Documentation, psalm chapter 9.

 

[Davy]

If satan and the beast are literally one and the same, it is then obviously nonsensical, thus ludicrous, to take Revelation 20 to be meaning chronologically after Revelation 19. Why? Because Revelation 19 records that the beast is cast into the LOF when Christ returns. And if the beast is satan, well he obviously can't get cast into the pit when Christ returns if he was cast into the LOF at the time instead.

Firstly, have you understood that the 'beast' label is about 2 different 'beast' types, one being a beast kingdom, and the other being a beast king?

Likewise, NO flesh-born person is judged and sentenced to perish in the future Rev.20 "lake of fire" until God's Great White Throne Judgment. So how much common sense does it take to grasp that the beast king and false prophet are just ROLES the Antichrist will play, and Jesus destroys those ROLES on the day of His return?

Do you really believe in a God that has already judged and sentenced those born in the flesh already to perish in the future "lake of fire"? Find me Scripture where that false idea is written. Not even Judas Iscariot who betrayed our Lord has been judged and sentenced to perish in that "lake of fire". As of today, ONLY Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" (Matthew 25:41). This is why it is Satan that is described as the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit and goes into perdition.

So why do you take up for Satan by trying to steer around the obvious Scripture pointers about him? Why would you be against Satan being the coming Antichrist, ask yourself that.

 

[Hobie]

Firstly, have you understood that the 'beast' label is about 2 different 'beast' types, one being a beast kingdom, and the other being a beast king?

Likewise, NO flesh-born person is judged and sentenced to perish in the future Rev.20 "lake of fire" until God's Great White Throne Judgment. So how much common sense does it take to grasp that the beast king and false prophet are just ROLES the Antichrist will play, and Jesus destroys those ROLES on the day of His return?

Do you really believe in a God that has already judged and sentenced those born in the flesh already to perish in the future "lake of fire"? Find me Scripture where that false idea is written. Not even Judas Iscariot who betrayed our Lord has been judged and sentenced to perish in that "lake of fire". As of today, ONLY Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" (Matthew 25:41). This is why it is Satan that is described as the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit and goes into perdition.

So why do you take up for Satan by trying to steer around the obvious Scripture pointers about him? Why would you be against Satan being the coming Antichrist, ask yourself that.

They are real enough so they will burn in the lake of fire, Satan is who directs them and gives them their power and it influences the events and the world.

 

[Davy]

They are real enough so they will burn in the lake of fire, Satan is who directs them and gives them their power and it influences the events and the world.

No flesh-born man has been judged and sentenced to perish yet today. Only Satan and his angels have.

 

[Jay Ross]

No flesh-born man has been judged and sentenced to perish yet today. Only Satan and his angels have.

This statement is not backed up by scripture. Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us that when the kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon, the heavenly hosts will be judged at the same time in heaven. This is to happen in our near future around 20-25 years from now, and at that time those judged in Isaiah 24:21-22 will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.

 

[Davy]

This statement is not backed up by scripture. Isaiah 24:21-22 tells us that when the kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon, the heavenly hosts will be judged at the same time in heaven. This is to happen in our near future around 20-25 years from now, and at that time those judged in Isaiah 24:21-22 will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.

But my statement is... supported in God's Word. You simply have 'assumed' from men's doctrines, that some flesh-born have already been judged and sentenced for so long, it obviously makes your brain feel unnatural to believe otherwise.

Isaiah 24:21-22 does NOT SUPPORT what you say. It is NOT about this present world time, and the matter is about judgment and sentencing that specifically happens prior... to the time of Revelation 20:11-15.

The Isaiah 24:21 verse does not happen until the day of Christ's future return. That is when those kings of the earth will be taken to Satan's pit with him at the beginning of Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. Their time of 'visitation' is not until a "thousand years" later though, and that will be when they are 'judged', when they are "visited".

Isa 24:20-23
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

The timing of the above? The day of Christ's future return on the "day of the Lord", the very last day of this present world. That is when the earth will be moved like that by God (see end of Hebrews 12).

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

That is pointing to those kings being taken to Satan's pit prison with him by Christ on that day. And that idea of their being "visited" does not mean 'destroyed' at that point, but only 'judged' (Hebrew paqad, OT:6485).

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before His ancients gloriously.
KJV

That further reveals when those Isaiah 24:20-23 verses will happen, on the day of Christ's future return, with the time of their 'visiting' (judgment) being after... the "thousand years" reign by Christ.

Therefore, you CANNOT use that Isaiah 24 Scripture to try and prove any flesh-born have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire". The time for that GWT Judgment at the end of Christ's future "thousand years" reign is not for this present world time.

 

[Jay Ross]

But my statement is... supported in God's Word. You simply have 'assumed' from men's doctrines, that some flesh-born have already been judged and sentenced for so long, it obviously makes your brain feel unnatural to believe otherwise.

Isaiah 24:21-22 does NOT SUPPORT what you say. It is NOT about this present world time, and the matter is about judgment and sentencing that specifically happens prior... to the time of Revelation 20:11-15.

The Isaiah 24:21 verse does not happen until the day of Christ's future return. That is when those kings of the earth will be taken to Satan's pit with him at the beginning of Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. Their time of 'visitation' is not until a "thousand years" later though, and that will be when they are 'judged', when they are "visited".

Isa 24:20-23
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

The timing of the above? The day of Christ's future return on the "day of the Lord", the very last day of this present world. That is when the earth will be moved like that by God (see end of Hebrews 12).

21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.

That is pointing to those kings being taken to Satan's pit prison with him by Christ on that day. And that idea of their being "visited" does not mean 'destroyed' at that point, but only 'judged' (Hebrew paqad, OT:6485).

23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before His ancients gloriously.
KJV

That further reveals when those Isaiah 24:20-23 verses will happen, on the day of Christ's future return, with the time of their 'visiting' (judgment) being after... the "thousand years" reign by Christ.

Therefore, you CANNOT use that Isaiah 24 Scripture to try and prove any flesh-born have already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire". The time for that GWT Judgment at the end of Christ's future "thousand years" reign is not for this present world time.

Ah Davy, it is you who has your own private understanding of God's End Time prophecies. Because of this misunderstanding you have changed the timeline of when the End Time event will take place to the extent that it no longer makes sense.

The seventh Bowl Judgement has already taken place. The Land of Babylon has been remembered by God once more to receive His wrath once more. This happened in 1926 AD. Jerusalem was partitioned into three areas of control, between Britian, Jordan and the UN in 1948. The mountains fled from the people after the two great turmoils of WW1 and WW2. People hid in caves because of the ordinance that fell from the sky and the people cowed in the caves and tunnels in the ground and cursed God and begged Him to stop the impact of the ordinance that was falling upon them. All of this can be found written in Rev 16:17-21.

Rev 16:12-16 is presently unfolding before our very eyes for those who have eyes to see, yet you push the Judgement written about in Isaiah 24:21-23 a further 1,000 plus years into our future, whereas I believe it will occur in our near future, probably 20-25 years into our future, after the completion of the Daniel 8 2,300 year prophecy of the Little Horn being given armies to trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts.

Pau tells us in Rom 11:25b-26 that after the completion of the 2,300 year prophecy, that all of Israel will be saves.

In Ezekiel 34, simply to reference one Old Testament prophecy, God also promises to remove the beasts of the fields from the face of the earth when they return to Him and confess their continual idolatrous worship over the past four ages for a period of time. They will be removed from the face of the earth for a season namely 1,000 years.

But you see the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers is for another age which is contrary to the specified third and fourth age of the visitation of the iniquities upon their children and the children's children.

Davy, you claim that only you have the right understanding of the End Time Prophecies, but the reality is that you too have them all screwed up such that the timing is altogether wrong.

Oh well, we all make mistakes.

The important thing is that we throw ourselves on God's mercy and seek His forgiveness for the mess we make of understanding God,s end time prophetic words.

Goodbye Davy

 

[Davy]

Ah Davy, it is you who has your own private understanding of God's End Time prophecies. Because of this misunderstanding you have changed the timeline of when the End Time event will take place to the extent that it no longer makes sense.

Well now, that's more IDIOTIC statements by you. Why don't you just break down and start crying, cause you can't get your way! Boo, hoo, boo, hoo! Your speaking like a little child, wailing and saying nothing.

Those who actually do their own... Bible study of what I cover in God's Word, will learn more here from my posts about end time events than most likely in a Church that only gives them one verse each Sunday and then a bunch of philosophy and doctrines of men! And that's especially so for the Preterist and Historicist Churches, but I don't know about the hard-heads of the SDA cult that follow Ellen White, or the Jehovah's Witness cult that follows the teachings of one man Charles Taze Russel, since they aren't really Christian organizations anyway. They have left The Word of God so far as to make what they teach unreadable when using a real Bible translation from the Traditional Bible manuscripts.

The seventh Bowl Judgement has already taken place. T

Ha, ha, ha, ha...

The 7th Vial of Rev.16 ONLY happens on the day of Christ's future return!

You just revealed HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE WORD OF GOD YOU ARE!

 

[Jay Ross]

Well now, that's more IDIOTIC statements by you. Why don't you just break down and start crying, cause you can't get your way! Boo, hoo, boo, hoo! Your speaking like a little child, wailing and saying nothing.

Those who actually do their own... Bible study of what I cover in God's Word, will learn more here from my posts about end time events than most likely in a Church that only gives them one verse each Sunday and then a bunch of philosophy and doctrines of men! And that's especially so for the Preterist and Historicist Churches, but I don't know about the hard-heads of the SDA cult that follow Ellen White, or the Jehovah's Witness cult that follows the teachings of one man Charles Taze Russel, since they aren't really Christian organizations anyway. They have left The Word of God so far as to make what they teach unreadable when using a real Bible translation from the Traditional Bible manuscripts.


Ha, ha, ha, ha...

The 7th Vial of Rev.16 ONLY happens on the day of Christ's future return!

You just revealed HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE WORD OF GOD YOU ARE!

So be it Davy, your ability to be able to comprehend what has been posted is disappointing.

Goodbye

 

[Davy]

So be it Davy, your ability to be able to comprehend what has been posted is disappointing.

Other way around in reality. Obviously the bible you are using ain't a real Bible. Thus your confusion of Scripture that I post, or is it HATRED against the KJV?

The 19th century Bible scholars who created their CORRUPT new Greek NT translation, Wescott and Hort, they said they HATED the Textus Receptus Greek text which was used for the KJV New Testament translation. Are you also aligned among those corrupters?

 

[Davy]

If satan and the beast are literally one and the same, it is then obviously nonsensical, thus ludicrous, to take Revelation 20 to be meaning chronologically after Revelation 19. Why? Because Revelation 19 records that the beast is cast into the LOF when Christ returns. And if the beast is satan, well he obviously can't get cast into the pit when Christ returns if he was cast into the LOF at the time instead.

Something else, and I am trying to help your understand, and not confuse you.

Revelation 17, like Revelation 13, is also covering BOTH 'beast' ideas, the beast kingdom (ten horns, seven heads, etc.) and the beast king (Antichrist). But the 2 different beast objects swap often in those Rev.17 verses. If the Bible student is not solid in Rev.13 about who those two different beasts are, then they will confuse it in Rev.17.

Rev.9:11 reveals about the angel of the bottomless pit, and he is said to be a king over those locusts. That is Satan.

The old pagan kingdoms of Old Testament history involved BOTH ideas, a 'beast kingdom', and a 'beast king'. In Daniel 4, a chapter which Nebuchadnezzar wrote, he spoke of falling into a condition of living with the beasts, a real medical condition which I can't remember. God caused it upon him, until Neb repented to God. That particularly represented that 'beast' king idea. It originally represented Lucifer's role when he first rebelled in coveting God's throne in the old world, for even back in that old world when Lucifer fell, if you can understand it, Christ was KING (forever after the order of Melchizedek).

In the Rev.12:3-4 Scripture, there is a reference back to that time when Lucifer first rebelled in coveting God's throne (see Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28 also). Lucifer drew a third of the angels to earth in rebellion with him in that old world before this present world. That happened even before the time of Adam and Eve. And that Rev.12:3-4 Scripture shows Lucifer had setup a beast kingdom back then that had 'ten horns, seven heads, but ONLY seven crowns'. The beast kingdom for the end of this present world, per Rev.13:1, instead is to have "ten crowns".

So the 'beast' king concept applied to Lucifer is not just idle speculation, God's Word points to Satan as a beast king, which is to be the 7th king in Rev.17:8-11 coming at the end of this present world.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Men's doctrines, which comes from their carnal fleshy minds only, cannot grasp this deeper matter in God's Word about this "beast" that will ascend out of the bottomless pit and eventually go into perdition of the future "lake of fire".

Look at churches all around you. Some churches are indeed "growing" because of the way they define love, because of the way they are subdued by the world, because of the way they preach lawlessness in the guise of self-respect, in lieu of lawfulness. For example, the pentecostal/charismatic is just another way of saying false church. And any false church shall be judged according to it's works. These groups were once only a fringe group on the outskirts of Christianity, and they have indeed grown like a choking vine crawling into every denomination...as was prophesied!
Matthew 24:24

• "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

Christ is all but telling us point blank that the church's great danger is not from without (outside like Iran), but from seducers that come in Christ's name, and pretend to work signs and wonders by his authority. This is the beast with two horned LIKE a lamb - the power of the Antichrist spirit Satan, coming as ministers of righteousness with this power of seduction and delusion that many are carried away by these false teachers. And what does ministers of righteousness mean? It means he comes preaching Love, preaching signs, preaching the humility of Christ, preaching liberty, preaching forgiveness. That's the Whole Point Christ is making here and throughout the bible. That they are pseudo-Christs, not the true body of Christ that they are so good that they might even deceive the elect "if" it were possible. But who is listening to Christ?

...certainly not those deceived by lying signs and wonders. But the professed Christians wondered after the beast.

That is why when those men do see this "beast" that will come at the very end of this world, they will "wonder" at his identity.

By picking a single man? Please!

Those men will not be any closer in figuring out his identity when they see him physically at the end, than they are today with trying to figure out who he is. This is why if you listen to those men who "wonder" at that "beast" (Antichrist), and believe what they say, you could be led to deception with them with falling away to that coming "beast", the final Antichrist, at the end of this world, thinking he is our Lord Jesus Christ.

No the beast is NOT one man. NOT one antichrist. NOT one false prophet. The beast with two horns like a lamb makes up of false prophets and christs that the deceived people of the congregations all over the world, wondered after them with lying signs and wonders thinking they come with power of Gospel.

Lord Jesus, Apostle Paul, and Apostle John all warned the Church about that coming "beast" that is to play God in a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end.

LOL. Not temple in Jersualem or national Israel. You already been reminded by SCrpture I quoted earlier that she has lost a kingdom represenative that Christ gave to the Church three days later. The New Testament congregation is now a spiritual judea filled with spiritual Jews (Christians) where the beast (the army of false prophets and christs) will come in. Not one man will set foot upon temple mount, speaking through a literal statue saying I am god.

Jesus called him a 'pseudochristos' which means a pseudo-Christ. (Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined that Greek word pseudochristos of Matt.24:24 as 'a spurious Messiah' - Strong's no.5580.) In 2 Thess.2, Apostle Paul identified that coming false-Messiah as the "man of sin", and "that Wicked". In Revelation 13:11-13, Apostle John was shown that coming Antichrist is a 2nd "beast", called the "another beast".

God see EVERY false prophet, false christ, and all people deceived by him as "man of sin", not as one but MANY. Just as every true Christian God see as "man of God".

According to Rev.12:9, that "dragon" is just another title for Satan himself. This above "beast" is about the 1st beast of Rev.13:1, which is about a beast kingdom having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns.

No, the beast(s) is Satan personified. Satan is the dragon. The beast is his body made up of unsaved people under the spiritual influence of the dragon.

Pay attention especially to that he will make war against the saints, and overcome them.

Wage war against the Saints with what? Swords? Bullets? or Missiles? or the word of the devil?

That is the same prophecy of the coming false one warned about in Daniel 7:21-25, Daniel 8:24-25; Daniel 11:36-39; Revelation 11:7; and Revelation 12:7.

Look at Revelation 12 for example:
Rev 12:7-10
(7) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
(8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

The heaven here is not where God resides. The heaven is the kingdom of heaven, the church, on earth. First represented the old testament congregation of Israel, then the new. Michael (one is assuredly is God) is Jesus Christ. His angels (messengers) are His human followers. They fight against dragon (Satan) and his angles ( messengers like the Phardisee) with WORD of God. They fought with WORD. The Word of God v.s. the word of Satan THROUGH PEOPLE! Satan lost his place when the old testament congregation of Israel fell. That was the temple falling, but in three days, Christ rebuilt it and the kingdom representative was given to it. That is the CHURCH! That is why verse 10 says, "Now is come salvation, strength and the kingdom of God." This is how the church begun and expand over the world.

Even in the Revelation 12:7 verse, it is pointing directly to the "dragon" (Satan) also...

Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJVj

The dragon hates the church for who she represents and went after the "remnant" of her seed which is CHRISTIANS. The very people Christ has empowered with the Holy Spirit to testify on Christ's kingdom's sake.

Act 1:8
(8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

This is who Satan is coming after ever since!

Can this mean Satan himself, in person on earth, as the final Antichrist at the end of this world?

No!

 

[Douggg]

Rev.9:11 reveals about the angel of the bottomless pit, and he is said to be a king over those locusts. That is Satan.

Davy, the falling star in the initial verses of Revelation 9 is Satan (as he is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9)

In his wrath, Satan will open the bottomless pit and the flesh tormenting locust creatures emerge and torment the inhabiters of the earth for 5 months. They will have a king over them named Abaddon, called the angel of the bottomless pit.

The reason why Abaddon is called "the angel of the bottomless pit" in that part of Revelation 9 is to distinguish him from the falling star angel in the initial verses of Revelation 9- which is Satan.

Satan - the falling star angel
Abaddon - the angel king over the tormenting locust creatures.

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The bottomless pit is kinda like a prison for certain evil beings to keep them harming anyone. Satan is not yet in that bottomless pit prison. But when Jesus returns, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit prison for a thousand years, until his final destination - the lake of fire.

 

[Davy]

Look at churches all around you. Some churches are indeed "growing" because of the way they define love, because of the way they are subdued by the world, because of the way they preach lawlessness in the guise of self-respect, in lieu of lawfulness.

I'm a child of the '60s and '70s, so I've heard plenty of the Leftist hippie-love-dove type of mentality. Jesus said if one of His has lost their saltiness, then that one is worthless, and if they are neither hot nor cold, that He will spew such a one out of His mouth (Matt.5:13; Rev.3:16).

Jesus told us how to discern His enemies, to look at their fruit (works).

Ex-KGB colonel Anatoliy Golitsyn who defected to the U.S. in the '60s wrote in his book New Lies For Old of how Moscow in modern times holds religious summits where mainstream heads of western Christian Church organizations are invited, and the Communist strategy to get those Church leaders to take back to western Churches pacifist doctrines and ideas to weaken Christ's Church. The last news article I read about one of those Moscow religious summits was in 1993.

What does that mean? It simply means like how Apostle Paul commended those at Berea which had their own copies of The Bible, and verified in it for themselves what Paul was preaching (Acts 17:10-12).

But those who are truly loyal about attending a Church each Sunday, and just allow their ears to be bent a little, even some falling asleep in the middle of a sermon because some preacher doesn't know all of God's Word and so cannot teach it chapter by chapter, line upon line, and has to create spiritual philosophy from The Bible, yet those believers still put their money in the plate and go about their own business the rest of the week, thinking all is hunky-dory. Those truly are as blind sheep, and have little clue as to the real battle of this present world.

For example, the pentecostal/charismatic is just another way of saying false church. And any false church shall be judged according to it's works. These groups were once only a fringe group on the outskirts of Christianity, and they have indeed grown like a choking vine crawling into every denomination...as was prophesied!
Matthew 24:24

• "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

Christ is all but telling us point blank that the church's great danger is not from without (outside like Iran), but from seducers that come in Christ's name, and pretend to work signs and wonders by his authority. This is the beast with two horned LIKE a lamb - the power of the Antichrist spirit Satan, coming as ministers of righteousness with this power of seduction and delusion that many are carried away by these false teachers. And what does ministers of righteousness mean? It means he comes preaching Love, preaching signs, preaching the humility of Christ, preaching liberty, preaching forgiveness. That's the Whole Point Christ is making here and throughout the bible. That they are pseudo-Christs, not the true body of Christ that they are so good that they might even deceive the elect "if" it were possible. But who is listening to Christ?

As I have shown many times before about that Greek word pseudochristos translated as "false Christs" in Matt.24:24, Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined that Greek word as "a spurious Messiah", singular, not plural. And what Jesus said in the 23 & 26 verses is in the singular tense also.

Greek pseudochristos is simply made up of 2 Greek words, pseudo which means false, and christos which is the word for Christ, singular.

Thus Jesus was pointing to the coming Antichrist, "little horn", "vile person", the "dragon", the "another beast", the "man of sin", "son of perdition", which are associated with deceiving the world using great signs and wonders and miracles for the end of this world. That subject is also covered by Paul in 2 Thess.2, and by John in Rev.13, and again by Paul in 2 Cor.11. So really, no believer on Christ has an excuse to not be aware of all that.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I'm a child of the '60s and '70s, so I've heard plenty of the Leftist hippie-love-dove type of mentality. Jesus said if one of His has lost their saltiness, then that one is worthless, and if they are neither hot nor cold, that He will spew such a one out of His mouth (Matt.5:13; Rev.3:16).

I bet that you do not even know what the "hot" and "cold" the Lord talked about here. Exactly what is lukewarm refers to?

Jesus told us how to discern His enemies, to look at their fruit (works).

Of course.

Ex-KGB colonel Anatoliy Golitsyn who defected to the U.S. in the '60s wrote in his book New Lies For Old of how Moscow in modern times holds religious summits where mainstream heads of western Christian Church organizations are invited, and the Communist strategy to get those Church leaders to take back to western Churches pacifist doctrines and ideas to weaken Christ's Church. The last news article I read about one of those Moscow religious summits was in 1993.

Not what God talked about.

What does that mean? It simply means like how Apostle Paul commended those at Berea which had their own copies of The Bible, and verified in it for themselves what Paul was preaching (Acts 17:10-12).

Umm... and?

But those who are truly loyal about attending a Church each Sunday, and just allow their ears to be bent a little, even some falling asleep in the middle of a sermon because some preacher doesn't know all of God's Word and so cannot teach it chapter by chapter, line upon line, and has to create spiritual philosophy from The Bible, yet those believers still put their money in the plate and go about their own business the rest of the week, thinking all is hunky-dory. Those truly are as blind sheep, and have little clue as to the real battle of this present world.

Okay...

As I have shown many times before about that Greek word pseudochristos translated as "false Christs" in Matt.24:24, Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined that Greek word as "a spurious Messiah", singular, not plural. And what Jesus said in the 23 & 26 verses is in the singular tense also.

(Chuckle). Not correctly.

Thus Jesus was pointing to the coming Antichrist, "little horn", "vile person", the "dragon", the "another beast", the "man of sin", "son of perdition", which are associated with deceiving the world using great signs and wonders and miracles for the end of this world. That subject is also covered by Paul in 2 Thess.2, and by John in Rev.13, and again by Paul in 2 Cor.11. So really, no believer on Christ has an excuse to not be aware of all that.

Boy, you are really obsessed with the flawed theory of one man as the antichrist. Sad.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Davy, the falling star in the initial verses of Revelation 9 is Satan (as he is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9)

The falling star is fallen messenger which is the UNFAITHFUL CHURCH who is responsible for releasing Satan from the bottomless pit BECAUSE of her unfaithfulness that the Lord warned about.

In his wrath, Satan will open the bottomless pit

Crazy talking. Where does in say in the Scripture that Satan opens the bottomless pit himself?

and the flesh tormenting locust creatures emerge and torment the inhabiters of the earth for 5 months.

Flesh tormenting locusts? Gee-whiz. Do you even know what is the power of the locusts and scorpions signifies at all?!

No! The Kingdom of God has been going forth in the form of the Church for the last two thousand years, and it is with power, that the enemy cannot stand against it. Satan has been a defeated foe as far as we're concerned, and his kingdom is being spoiled. Not in the future, but from the time of the cross.

Luke 10:18-19

• "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
• Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."

Christ has been knocking down the strongholds of Satan and has been setting free captives (Elect) for the past 2,000 years! This is how Christ has been spoiling Satan's kingdom (world) through the church that brought Salvation gospel to us! This "IS" the age of righteousness and of peace and safety! Satan could not stop Christ from possessing the gates of His enemies (prophesy fulfilled). So Christians can tread down on scorpions and serpents so they cannot be hurt, salvation speaking! In other words, the scorpions lose their power to deceive. Selah!

But think about it... what happens when the building of the church is finished with all Elect secured? Christ has warned in Revelation 9 that the locusts will once again has the power of the scorpions to deceive "men without the seal of God". In other words, Salvaiton has ceased and that any man seek for salvation will not find it, or any man have desire to be saved, salvation has flee. That is what Revelation 9 is all about.

This has nothing to do with physical "flesh eating" locusts you think will attack humans. You have watched too much Hollywood movies and try to apply it to the Bible.

They will have a king over them named Abaddon, called the angel of the bottomless pit.

The reason why Abaddon is called "the angel of the bottomless pit" in that part of Revelation 9 is to distinguish him from the falling star angel in the initial verses of Revelation 9- which is Satan.

No no no no no. you got it all messed up.

The stars in the heaven represents God's people, the church. The falling star is the falling messenger which is the unfaithful church. The angel (messenger) of the bottomless pit is Satan. Satan does not free himself but the unfaithful church did because she agreed to go with him instead of Christ.

Satan - the falling star angel

Wrongo! The falling star (messenger) isn't Satan or Christ. She is the unfaithful congregation.

Abaddon - the angel king over the tormenting locust creatures.

Satan. Case closed.

The bottomless pit is kinda like a prison for certain evil beings to keep them harming anyone.

Close. Iti s not actual a "place." It is a signification that the power of Satan has been RESTRAINED! With God's hand! Satan being restrained so that he cannot frustrated God's salvation plan for His chosen. He can try roam around as lion but he cannot hurt or prevent Elect from getting Saved.

Satan is not yet in that bottomless pit prison.

Not quite correct. He WAS in bottomless pit while the church was building. BUT NOW, I believe Satan has already been loosened becasue of the church has experienced apostasy, thanks to the rise of false prophets and christs. Haven't you noticed. Probably not because you are looking at the wrong place... in the Middle East!

But when Jesus returns, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit prison for a thousand years, until his final destination - the lake of fire.

No, Satan will be cast into the lake of fire at the Second Coming. There won't be a future 1,000 years, and the millennial kingdom already been established in the church since the Cross. The millennial kingdom has passed with all Elecet secured and Satan loosened today.

 

[Davy]

I bet that you do not even know what the "hot" and "cold" the Lord talked about here. Exactly what is lukewarm refers to?



Of course.



Not what God talked about.


Umm... and?



Okay...



(Chuckle). Not correctly.



Boy, you are really obsessed with the flawed theory of one man as the antichrist. Sad.

Not even worth commenting on; that's just mocking from stupidity.