What is the difference between a Jew and a Christian?

[Eliyahu613]

Are you unfamiliar with YHWH speaking about the new covenant in the Hebrew Bible?

Bs"d

I know about it.

Even the name "New Testament" is not correct: It points to the new covenant that G.d will make with the Jewish people. Paul claims that this is done through Jesus. Paul says in Hebrews 10:15-17; "Whereof the Holy Ghost is also a witness to us, for after he had said before: This is the covenant that I will make with them, after those days, saith the LORD, I will put My laws in their heart and in their minds will I write them. And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." This is written in Jeremiah 31:31-34; "Behold, the days come saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah. Not according the old covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, which my covenant they broke, although I was as a husband to them, saith the LORD. But this shall be the covenant that I make with the house of Israel: After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in there inward parts and write it in their hearts, and I will be there G.d, and they shall be my people. And they shall no more each man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying: Know the LORD, for they shall all know me, from the least of them till the greatest, saith the LORD, for I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sins no more."

Are we now in the days that everybody knows about the LORD (Y-H-W-H)? That nobody has to teach his neighbor about G.d?

Obviously not!

So even the reference to the new covenant, the "New Testament", is not correct.

See also that the law is very important in the new covenant.

 

[Eliyahu613]

”We” includes Jesus of Nazareth.

Bs"d

Don't forget that you with your ideas are an out layer. 99.9% of all the Christians don't believe what you believe.

 

[Matthias]

Bs"d

God explains that Himself:

"4 I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give to your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall bless themselves: 5 because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.”
Gen 26

Abraham believed and obeyed God, long before the Mosaic law was given.

 

[Matthias]

Bs"d

Don't forget that you with your ideas are an out layer. 99.9% of all the Christians don't believe what you believe.

They aren’t my standard; Jesus is.

The point I was making is that Jesus is a Jew and he only believes in and worships the one and only God, YHWH, who is one.

 

[knothead]

The Jews are "goats" and the Christians are "sheep":

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;...Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels;...And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (Matt 25:31-34, 41, 46 NRSV)

Christian doctrine is ONE God, Three Persons are God. Who can describe, define and explain "spirit" and demonstrate to us that God who is Spirit, cannot be Three Persons. We mortals can only think in terms of the material, the physical. Who are we to deny the clear statements of Scripture about the Three Persons who each are God, who is Spirit?

"Then God said, 'Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.'” (Gen 1:26 NRSV)

"And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness,.... These words are directed not to the earth, out of which man was made, as consulting with it, and to be assisting in the formation of man, as Moses Gerundensis, and other Jewish writers {f}, which is wretchedly stupid; nor to the angels, as the Targum of Jonathan, Jarchi, and others, who are not of God's privy council, nor were concerned in any part of the creation, and much less in the more noble part of it: nor are the words spoken after the manner of kings, as Saadiah, using the plural number as expressive of honour and majesty; since such a way of speaking did not obtain very early, not even till the close of the Old Testament: but they are spoken by God the Father to the Son and Holy Ghost, who were each of them concerned in the creation of all things, and particularly of man: hence we read of divine Creators and Makers in the plural number, Job 35:10 and Philo the Jew acknowledges that these words declare a plurality, and are expressive of others, being co-workers with God in creation {g}: and man being the principal part of the creation, and for the sake of whom the world, and all things in it were made, and which being finished, he is introduced into it as into an house ready prepared and furnished for him; a consultation is held among the divine Persons about the formation of him; not because of any difficulty attending it, but as expressive of his honour and dignity; it being proposed he should be made not in the likeness of any of the creatures already made, but as near as could be in the likeness and image of God."
John Gill

The Jews are "goats" and the Christians are "sheep":

Jews can not be the goats on the left side (.Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels
Romans 11:
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

 

[Matthias]

Bs"d

I know about it.

Even the name "New Testament" is not correct: It points to the new covenant that G.d will make with the Jewish people. Paul claims that this is done through Jesus. Paul says in Hebrews 10:15-17; "Whereof the Holy Ghost is also a witness to us, for after he had said before: This is the covenant that I will make with them, after those days, saith the LORD, I will put My laws in their heart and in their minds will I write them. And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." This is written in Jeremiah 31:31-34; "Behold, the days come saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah. Not according the old covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, which my covenant they broke, although I was as a husband to them, saith the LORD. But this shall be the covenant that I make with the house of Israel: After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in there inward parts and write it in their hearts, and I will be there G.d, and they shall be my people. And they shall no more each man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying: Know the LORD, for they shall all know me, from the least of them till the greatest, saith the LORD, for I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sins no more."

Are we now in the days that everybody knows about the LORD (Y-H-W-H)? That nobody has to teach his neighbor about G.d?

Obviously not!

So even the reference to the new covenant, the "New Testament", is not correct.

See also that the law is very important in the new covenant.

It takes time, even after the new covenant has gone into effect, to get to the point where everyone knows YHWH.

”Not according to the old covenant”. There is a change in law.

The law of the new covenant is the law of messiah.

 

[Lizbeth]

Bs"d

God explains that Himself:

"4 I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give to your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall bless themselves: 5 because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.”
Gen 26

Not addressed to me, but if I may be allowed to speak to it..........Yes, God's laws concerning morality and righteousness, which Abraham kept by FAITH not by any written letter.........but not "THE Law", the covenant which came long after Abe. Abraham is the father of FAITH not of "THE Law." Old testament saints who would obtain an inheritance of eternal life was because of their faith, not because of "the Law." Nobody ever obtained eternal life through the Law but only through receiving and obeying what the Law was a shadow and type of (allegory, living parable), which is by FAITH. Without faith it is impossible to please God. He said "I desire mercy not sacrifice" and "obedience is BETTER than sacrifice."

1Sa 15:22
And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is BETTER than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Of course, obeying His voice implies a living relationship with Him to be able to hear His voice. Not just reading "about" Him but actually and truly knowing Him personally, praise His wonderful Name that is above all names.

It's easy to sacrifice and follow a list of rules because you are still Lord of your own life in choosing to do so, but laying down lordship of our life to Him is more costly and is what so many stumble at...."Not my will, but thine be done." The covenant of the Law only brought temporal blessings...that's why Jeremiah (ch. 31) prophesied of a BETTER covenant to come, because the new covenant brings eternal blessings, an eternal inheritance, which the geographical promised land of milk and honey was an allegory (type/shadow) of. Likewise David's reign and kingdom was also a type/shadow of the Saviour's spiritual reign and kingdom....which starts on a personal level with each individual soul, and then collectively ruling over the whole congregation of the saints. Yielding to His rule IN us. Receiving Messiah IN us by His Spirit, the HOPE of (eternal) glory. And I promise you and can testify, as His word promises, that HIS sheep DO hear His voice:

Isa 30:20-21

And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers: (ie, the prophets, the truths they wrote no longer hidden away in a dark corner but REVEALED, unlocked)

And thine ears shall HEAR a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

 

[Matthias]

”We” includes Jesus of Nazareth.

“You people from Samaria do not know the one that you worship. But we Jews do know him, because God’s salvation comes from among the Jewish people.” - Jesus of Nazareth

(John 4:22, EASY)

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

A Jew knows that 1 + 1 = 2, and a Christian thinks that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1.

How about 1 x 1 x 1 = 1

A Jew knows that a God the Father and a god the son is two (2!) gods. A Christian thinks that a God the Father and a god the son and a god the holy ghost is only one God

Correct.
He is the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament. He fulfilled many of those prophesies.
"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” John 8:24
Jesus prophesied about your Temple being destroyed with not one stone lying on another and it was destroyed in 70AD.
On the day of His death, there was an earthquake and the Temple veil tore in half. God no longer dwelled in that Temple from that time on. Likely He wasn't there when Jesus began His ministry either.
Thw Temple was destroyed and a million Jews were killed by the Romans in 67-70AD - a punishment from God.
They were banished and scattered throughout the globe for almost 1900 years - the abomination of desolation -- more punishment.
Since there was no Temple, therefore it was also an end to sacrifices offered, no blood shed ... no atonement for sin. Why? JESUS WAS THE FINAL SACRIFICE. But you don't believe that.
Is God sovereign? I believe so. He allows evil for a purpose. However horrible wars and death are, He allows them.
So whatever pain and suffering that happens, it happens for a reason.
A Great Tribulation is prophesied in both Old and New Testaments and the Savior/ Messiah, whom you have been waiting for, will show up. Every eye will see Him and you will mourn. Why? Because you will realize that He is Jesus. Yoir enlightenment might happen before that. Two Witnesses ( Rev. 11) are prophesied to show up in Jerusalem. Many believe they will be Elijah and Enoch or Moses. They will evangelize Jews for 3 1/2 years, and perform miracles.

In Romans 11, Paul says that the Jews were blinded and branches were cut off the Vine so that the Gentiles could be grafted in and to this day you are blind to Christ.
But it also says that when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, a remnant (1/3) Jewish population will be saved, their blindness removed and they will know Christ.
Jesus has changed the world in so many ways, too numerous to mention. Btw, have any Jewish prophets sprung up since Christ? Nope. That's quite a long time for the Jews to not hear from God, aye? Is He answering your prayers?

Well one prophecy that has been fulfilled is Israel becoming a nation in 1948. He hasn't forgotten about you. He has covenants yet to fulfill. But this generation will see all these things come to pass. Psalm 90:10 says a generation is 70 years or 80 if you are strong.

This conflict with the Hamas is, I believe, the beginning of a BIG WAR. It will escalate. Israel will defeatbthe Hamas and clean up Gaza, but then go after Hezbollah. We know that this is Iran's proxy war, they are funding it. It is also prophesied that a Beast with 7 heads and 10 horns will attack Israel. I believe it's an Islamic Beast! Iran is gathering ten nations as we speak and so this war will escalate. Christ returns ( and you will see Him coming in the clouds - just as He ascended) and destroys all nations who came against Israel and saves your asses (well a remnant). How nice for Him to do such a thing - don't you think? This Beast also is attacking and persecuting Christians as well. Look at Sudan and many other Islamic nations. Europe and the US have been infiltrated by thousands of terrorists in cells waiting for a Jihad announcement.

 

[Lizbeth]

Are we now in the days that everybody knows about the LORD (Y-H-W-H)? That nobody has to teach his neighbor about G.d?

Obviously not!

Yes we are in those days and have been ever since Yeshua came.....Anyone who has come to Yeshua has met Him personally and doesn't need an introduction, because we already know Him revealed, personally, by His Spirit within us. That's what that verse is talking about.

 

[Pierac]

Bs"d

What is the difference between a Jew and a Christian?

It is very simple: A Jew can count to two, and a Christian cannot.

A Jew knows that 1 + 1 = 2, and a Christian thinks that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1.

A Jew knows that a God the Father and a god the son is two (2!) gods. A Christian thinks that a God the Father and a god the son and a god the holy ghost is only one God.

When you can count to two you cannot be a polytheist and therefore not a Christian.

What make you think..... only A Jew knows that 1 + 1 = 2 in scripture.... ?

NASB 1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Tell me Jew... No... Show me how the Finger of God...used in scripture... destroys the concept of any idea of a Trinity being even possible!!!

I can.... as a non Jew... Can I do what you can not... ??? Actually give the finger to the Trinity... pun intended....

Come on... you can do it if you apply yourself...
Paul

 

[Eliyahu613]

What make you think..... only A Jew knows that 1 + 1 = 2 in scripture.... ?

NASB 1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Tell me Jew... No... Show me how the Finger of God...used in scripture... destroys the concept of any idea of a Trinity being even possible!!!

I can.... as a non Jew... Can I do what you can not... ??? Actually give the finger to the Trinity... pun intended....

Come on... you can do it if you apply yourself...

Bs"d

It is very simple; the Bible teaches that God is one. And when God is one, then He is not two, not three, not three in one, but ONE!

God is one

 

[Eliyahu613]

How about 1 x 1 x 1 = 1

Correct.
He is the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament. He fulfilled many of those prophesies.

Bs"d

I have posted clear messianic prophecies which are not fulfilled. Can you post some of these supposedly fulfilled messianic prophecies.

"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” John 8:24
Jesus prophesied about your Temple being destroyed with not one stone lying on another and it was destroyed in 70AD.
On the day of His death, there was an earthquake and the Temple veil tore in half. God no longer dwelled in that Temple from that time on. Likely He wasn't there when Jesus began His ministry either.
Thw Temple was destroyed and a million Jews were killed by the Romans in 67-70AD - a punishment from God.
They were banished and scattered throughout the globe for almost 1900 years - the abomination of desolation -- more punishment.
Since there was no Temple, therefore it was also an end to sacrifices offered, no blood shed ... no atonement for sin. Why? JESUS WAS THE FINAL SACRIFICE. But you don't believe that.

After the destruction of the first Temple, almost five centuries before JC and the destruction of the second Temple, there were also no animal sacrifices.
But animal sacrifices are usually not needed for sin, see here: animal sacrifices

 

[Eliyahu613]

It takes time, even after the new covenant has gone into effect, to get to the point where everyone knows YHWH.

”Not according to the old covenant”. There is a change in law.

Bs"d

No change in law, a change in the way the law is given. No more written on stone tablets or a scroll, but now written on the hearts and minds.

The law of the new covenant is the law of messiah.

As you can see, the new covenant is the the law of God, that is all the 613 commandments written in the Torah, they will be written on the heart and mind of the Jews:

"But this shall be the covenant that I make with the house of Israel: After those days, saith Y-H-W-H, I will put my law in there inward parts and write it in their hearts, and I will be there G.d, and they shall be my people. And they shall no more each man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying: Know Y-H-W-H, for they shall all know me, from the least of them till the greatest, saith Y-H-W-H, for I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sins no more."

Everybody will know the law. and it looks that by then free will is no more.

 

[Matthias]

Bs"d

No change in law, a change in the way the law is given. No more written on stone tablets or a scroll, but now written on the hearts and minds.


As you can see, the new covenant is the the law of God, that is all the 613 commandments written in the Torah, they will be written on the heart and mind of the Jews:

"But this shall be the covenant that I make with the house of Israel: After those days, saith Y-H-W-H, I will put my law in there inward parts and write it in their hearts, and I will be there G.d, and they shall be my people. And they shall no more each man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying: Know Y-H-W-H, for they shall all know me, from the least of them till the greatest, saith Y-H-W-H, for I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sins no more."

Everybody will know the law. and it looks that by then free will is no more.

The messiah’s law isn’t the mosaic law.

You’re familiar enough with the Book of Hebrews to know that this is another major difference between Judaism and Christianity.

YHWH himself has told us that the new covenant isn’t like the mosaic covenant.

 

[Rabbi Reuben]

Bs"d

What is the difference between a Jew and a Christian?

בס״ד

Both are sinners before the LORD.

Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel,
against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying,

You only have I known of all the families of the earth:
therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

God is going to punish the Jews for their iniquities.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Can you post some of these supposedly fulfilled messianic prophecies.

Too many to post...

351 Old Testament Prophecies Fulfilled In Jesus Christ | New Testament Christians.Com

A Mathematics professor challenged his University to calculate the odds of Jesus fulfilling just eight prophecies ny chance and they came up with 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000. Then they got creative and figured the chances of someone fulfilling 48 prophecies would be equivalent to 1 in 1 with 150 zeros.

Jesus is the Christ!

 

[Eliyahu613]

Too many to post...

351 Old Testament Prophecies Fulfilled In Jesus Christ | New Testament Christians.Com

Bs"d

Those are almost all Biblical texts which are ripped out of context and have no bearing on the messiah what so ever.

Look here for some examples: Home

 

[Pierac]

Bs"d

It is very simple; the Bible teaches that God is one. And when God is one, then He is not two, not three, not three in one, but ONE!

God is one

Then... Why do you Teach/Preach That.... God is more than ONE????

From the start of Judaism and later Christianity, the most famous aspect and unique characteristic of the two religions is the fact that they were, and still are monotheistic. Christianity is really the continuation of Judaism. Both religions believe in one, and only one unbegotten God, creator of the universe. There are no other gods in these two faiths.

Isaiah 44:6 - "Thus says the LORD... there is no God but me."

Isaiah 45:5 - "I am the LORD and there is no other, there is no God besides me."

Isaiah 45:6 - "Men may know that there is none besides me. I am the LORD, there is no other."

No one will contest that to a Jew or a Christian, there is only one God. Anything else would simply be considered polytheism. The majority of Christianity believes in one God, but a God that is plural in makeup. There are three persons that constitute this one God. They are three, but yet, they are still all the one God. There is: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

In this paper we will be concerned primarily with Trinitarian Christianity’s view of God. Specifically, God the Son.

We all know that God the Son has a Father (God the Father). But the question that must be asked and answered is: can God the Son have a God? Every pastor that I have ever asked this question to has always said "Of course not!" But is that the answer given in Scripture? No, on the contrary. As you will see, the prophesied Messiah in the Old Testament is said to have a God. Then you will see that Jesus the Messiah fulfills those prophesies because he most definitely has a God. If you come to the conclusion that Jesus has a God, then it might be time to rethink and research the Doctrine of the Trinity. Because if God the Son has a God, then there are TWO GODS!

To make this as simple as possible, I am not going to list the huge amount of Scriptures which have God (not "Father") and Jesus in the same sentence, or Scriptures that have God speaking to Jesus, or Jesus speaking to God. We will only be concerned with Scriptures that prove that Jesus has a God.

OLD TESTAMENT MESSIANIC PROPHESIES

Psalm 89:26-28 - "He (the Messiah) shall say of me. "You are my father, my God, my rock, my savior". And I will make him the firstborn."

Micah 5:3-4 - "He (the Messiah) shall stand firm and shepherd his flock by the strength of the LORD, in the Majestic name of the LORD, his God."

Psalm 22:10-11 - "To you I was committed at birth. From my mother’s womb you are my God."

NEW TESTAMENT​

Jesus Speaking:

John 20:17 - "I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

Matthew 27:46 - "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

Revelation 3:12 - "Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God."

Revelation 3:2 - "for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God."

Paul:

Ephesians 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Ephesians 1:17 - "I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father..."

2 Corinthians 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

2 Corinthians 11:31 - "The God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ knows, He who is blessed forever, that I do not lie."

Romans 15:6 - "that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Peter:

1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

John:

Revelation 1:6 - "To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, who has made us into a kingdom, priests for his God and Father."

When one reads the preceding verses, there is one thing that is a fact. That Jesus Christ has a God. Jesus speaks of his God, Peter Paul and John mention the God of Jesus Christ. Are they all mistaken? Are we to believe that all these verses are misprints? Are we to suppose that theologians several centuries after Christ knew more about Jesus than Jesus and his Apostles? There is no way around it.

The New American Bible (a Roman Catholic Bible) in a section discussing biblical revelation says,

"It is the very same God who reveals Himself in so many richly divergent ways on every page of the Scriptures. The God of Abraham and Moses and David is the God of Jesus of Nazareth."

Everyone in Jesus’ day knew that Jesus had a God.

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So does that make Trinitarians and anyone else who thinks that Jesus is actually God A polytheists? It sure does! One God plus One God equals TWO GODS.

You welcome for the Education... I had to give you....
Silly Child... You seem to have never even read my post... Or are set to make the next Dumb & Dumber Movie!!!

Only you know.... If your ready for that next Movie....
Paul

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Bs"d

Those are almost all Biblical texts which are ripped out of context and have no bearing on the messiah what so ever.

Look here for some examples: Home

The truth is you rip Jesus out of all those scriptures.