Is there a higher walk for believers in Christ?

[Lizbeth]

You are talking about the time before the disciples were baptized in the Spirit which changed things drastically. There is a war yes but it is prior to this baptism as seen in the disciples.

I can't keep up with the whole conversation, but didn't Peter need to be washed of a weakness and error.....when Paul corrected him to his face? That was quite a while after the Spirit was poured out.

God has to translate us into the kingdom walk from somewhere. The problem with reform "theology" is that is is just a superficial conver-up that comes from fully misunderstanding what Paul was talking about.

We are accepted from our weakness into His fulness of power. "He has translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son...to walk as Jesus walked...without sin. As Paul says...the very fulness of God. From there we walk as Jesus walked...in the very image of Christ. No sin is found there.

That's where the whole Pauline doctrines come apart. They have to redefine sin in order to be able to deny the holiness of being in Christ.

Yes but we need to learn to walk....we are born into the kingdom as babes and grow into children, then teens then adults. Potentially reaching the full stature of Christ, though we don't all reach that level. It does not mean that those who don't attain to that are not still in the family of God, in His kingdom, and belonging to Him. Learning to walk usually involves stumbling at times, in spite of our best efforts, and this works for our good by teaching us humility. Your children are your children, at any age. You value them the same, regardless of their age.....you impute this value to them from the moment they are born and can't even go potty yet. And you continue to impute it to them even when they are not slaying giants and able to do nothing more than set the table and tie up their shoelaces, or even if they are disabled and can't set a table or dress themselves. There are many factors that are involved....gifts and callings is one, life circumstances as well, etc. God is the only one who can rightly judge each soul, knowing and taking into account all things. We don't measure people by our own personal experience and we are to bear with the weak and even give more honour to lesser parts. There are greater and lesser in the kingdom of God, similar to how it goes in earthly life.

The higher walk is living out your new identity or walking in the spirit.

don‘t fall for this special case of religion thinking you are special only if you hit that walk.

I do not follow men.. Romans 7 is clear. It Is not that hard. And is further proof of what I am saying we just need to take the word of God as written

Paul could not stuggle with the flesh and spirit before he was saved, He could only struggle after he was saved.

So those who claim he spoke of pre salvation when he spoke of the flesh are not taking the words of paul as written. They are making hin say something not founded in scripture.

Amen.

And just want to mention that we don't need to define what "the higher walk" is because it isn't a term found in scripture. I've found that confining my thinking to scriptural terminology is one key to not going astray. Taking my thoughts captive...to the obedience of Christ, to His word. I find that false doctrine is often a matter of extra-biblical terminology/concepts. Fine to use extra biblical terminology in a passing way to help the understanding, but not to set it in concrete and make a doctrine out of such. Our doctrine is the word of God, not the word of man.

Also want to remind us of what Paul wrote here:

Rom 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

This tells me that all who belong to Christ and are born of the Spirit, are in the spirit.......and the issue is just to what degree and how often for how long, etc. And sometimes it's a conscious decision we make, while other times it's not our decision but it's the Lord deciding to catch us up in the Spirit, so to speak.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is no understanding of what "imputing" means among those who have been religiously indoctrinated.

God considered or noticed that Abraham was righteous. God sees things as they really are. The religious scheme of today is that God is so unrighteous that He imputes righteousness to the unrighteous...which is exactly backwards. And also why it is so popular among those who hate righteousness.

We impute height to a tall person...we impute shortness of stature to a small person. We do NOT impute tallness to a short person.

We impute loudness to a jet taking off. We do not impute quietness to a jet engine. Simple stuff...but way beyond the religious reasoning that turns everything upside down.

Abraham was seen by God as righteous because of his faith. Abraham did what very few can do...trust in the Lord when everything seems impossible. Trusting in God is a righteous thing to do. Like believing we can possess the kingdom life right now.

Says the one who is religiously indoctrinated

Input is a banking term. it means to credit to ones account.

God said he credited to Abraham righteousness

David said God would not credit to his account his sin.

We do not input tallness to a tall person. the tall person is tall.

Nor do we impute smallness to a small person. the person is already small.

the lengths you go to ignore the truths of God are amazing

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes I can see that. God reckoned Abraham to be righteous because he was due to his faith.

6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

Which means in Gods eyes he was seen as righteous even though in reality he was not righteous.. The legal term is called justified.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Why are religious fictions so attractive to the carnal mind? Because it comes down to cost. It cost us nothing to justify ourselves based on our beliefs about what Jesus accomplished for all mankind. It takes nothing to say...I'll take that. Takers take. But God is looking for givers. God is a Giver. Those who are self-interested takers will suffer the consequences. The bible exposes who we are. And God sees all.

Religious minds look to self and not God.

every religion on earth looks to self. and what they do and how good they are.

I love it when a religious mindset try's to call others religious..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm not sure if Christians sin when they are walking in their flesh. I am sure they do not sin when walking by the spirit because the spirit of Christ does not sin. Paul never referred to himself as a sinner in Christ. He was clearly referring to before he was saved when he said that he was the chief of all sinners.

No, He said I AM (present tense) Chief of all sinners.

If your walking in the flesh everything you do is sin.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes I believe those babes in Christ were saved.

Saved sinners..

Amen

 

[Taken]

Is there a higher walk for believers in Christ?

I would say more RIDGID, being a narrow path, having less room to wander off the course, than as a wide path that is easily targeted and easily enticing to step off the path and engage in the utter nonsense and immorality OF the world.

The narrow walk LEADS to a Higher PLACE.
Wandering along on the wide path LEADS to a Lower PLACE.

The outcome hangs on the biggest ELECTION of ones natural life-time.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ritajanice]

Is there a higher walk for believers in Christ?

I would say more RIDGID, being a narrow path, having less room to wander off the course, than as a wide path that is easily targeted and easily enticing to step off the path and engage in the utter nonsense and immorality OF the world.

The narrow walk LEADS to a Higher PLACE.
Wandering along on the wide path LEADS to a Lower PLACE.

I like this commentary....nothing complicated by man/ woman in it and very easy to understand.

 

[rebuilder 454]

We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian. I know this comes as a complete shock to many of you who have been indoctrinated in the-old-nature-versus-the-new-nature theology. Most Christians have been taught to believe that after salvation, they are still the same at their core, and they live the rest of their lives trying to restrain this old nature. They believe they have two natures.

You have to understand we are 3 parts.
Spirit
Soul
Body.
That is our starting place.
It is your spirit that is indwelt by God.
We are born again in our spirit.
We talk to God in our spirit. He speaks to us in our spirit.
The mind is the soul.
The battle is in the mind.
If what you believe is true, then there is no opportunity of temptation.
You need to incorporate that into your position.
If we have no old nature, there is no chance of allurement away from the groom.

 

[Ritajanice]

We are Born Again of the Spirit, that’s what’s Born Again....not our minds ...we receive that new heart/ Spirit within...it’s the old mindset that battles with the new nature we have in Christ....our old nature died the moment we became Born Again of imperishable seed.

 

[rebuilder 454]

God has to translate us into the kingdom walk from somewhere. The problem with reform "theology" is that is is just a superficial conver-up that comes from fully misunderstanding what Paul was talking about.

We are accepted from our weakness into His fulness of power. "He has translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son...to walk as Jesus walked...without sin. As Paul says...the very fulness of God. From there we walk as Jesus walked...in the very image of Christ. No sin is found there.

That's where the whole Pauline doctrines come apart. They have to redefine sin in order to be able to deny the holiness of being in Christ.

Are you faulting Paul, or the hyper paulines that fault everything but Paul?

 

[Ritajanice]

You have to understand we are 3 parts.
Spirit
Soul
Body.
That is our starting place.
It is your spirit that is indwelt by God.
We are born again in our spirit.
We talk to God in our spirit. He speaks to us in our spirit.
The mind is the soul.
The battle is in the mind.
If what you believe is true, then there is no opportunity of temptation.
You need to incorporate that into your position.
If we have no old nature, there is no chance of allurement away from the groom.

Amen!!..100% ...Brother, many of us are at different levels of spiritual understanding, do you Agree?

 

[rebuilder 454]

And all who enter into Him share in HIS perfection. When you enter into an airplane you partake of the law of flight that overcomes gravity. Without entering INTO the plane you will fall to your death...at whatever altitude. So compare that with breaking one of the laws. In Christ we fulfill the law. In Christ we overcome sin as He did.


That's not the point. You can't hide behind being a new babe in Christ forever. The false gospel has made believers to stop growing after the first step...justifying themselves in their sins because Jesus is so forgiving. Unless He spits you out of His mouth....


Human logic alert. Read what I wrote above. Read the parable of the dunging of the tree. After three years of not bearing fruit...it is cut down.

False. We will be judged by our own works. Righteous is as righteous does. You are confusing what we do in our own power compared to what WE can do in His power. Claiming all the benefits of Christ (without fulfilling any of the conditions) is a ploy of the carnal "believer".

Believers are judged in this life.
The works judgement in heaven, for us, is for rewards/ crowns.
We enter heaven on the basis of the blood. Nothing else.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What's an Arian? One who knows the Bible well?

no trinity???
Huh????

 

[rebuilder 454]

Says the one who is religiously indoctrinated

Input is a banking term. it means to credit to ones account.

God said he credited to Abraham righteousness

David said God would not credit to his account his sin.

We do not input tallness to a tall person. the tall person is tall.

Nor do we impute smallness to a small person. the person is already small.

the lengths you go to ignore the truths of God are amazing

lester roloff. Said some interesting things.
"Religion is man building a ladder to heaven "
"Christianity is God extending a ladder to earth,"

"Religion is DO"
"Christianity is DONE"

Seve Hill said;
"Religion is hanging around the cross, christianity is getting on the cross"

 

[Episkopos]

Are you faulting Paul, or the hyper paulines that fault everything but Paul?

Peter warned us of the many who would misunderstand Paul and twist his words to their own destruction. And what's apparent is that without the fear of the Lord, that's just what they will do. No warning will suffice for these.

 

[Episkopos]

Believers are judged in this life.
The works judgement in heaven, for us, is for rewards/ crowns.
We enter heaven on the basis of the blood. Nothing else.

The blood of Jesus is the life of Jesus. We enter into heaven NOW by entering into Jesus and partaking of His life (blood) NOW . A dead religion is based on shed blood. A dead religion points to the cross. A living faith is crucified with Christ.

 

[rebuilder 454]

We are Born Again of the Spirit, that’s what’s Born Again....not our minds ...we receive that new heart/ Spirit within...it’s the old mindset that battles with the new nature we have in Christ....our old nature died the moment we became Born Again of imperishable seed.

Exactly.
One remedy according to God.
Crucify the flesh.
Paul said he picks up his cross daily.

 

[Ritajanice]

1 John 4:18​

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear:because fear hath torment*. He that feareth is not made perfect inlove.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The blood of Jesus is the life of Jesus. We enter into heaven NOW by entering into Jesus and partaking of His life (blood) NOW . A dead religion is based on shed blood. A dead religion points to the cross. A living faith is crucified with Christ.

I partially agree.
But mostly disagree, because you are not qualifying those statements.

The blood never gets old to us.
Rather , the thought if it brings us to tears and disarms us if we really are His.