I repeat -- you don't have any scripture that says that you have to be born again to believe. OK, that is just what I thought.
Born Again or Christian? Is there a difference and what is your biblical support ?
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I have supported my case using scripture ...can you please stop this nonsense ...or I will report your personal posts.
We are brought to believe in Jesus by God...our sins need to be forgiven before any regeneration can take place.
Discuss scripture not your opinions as you have been asked to do @JBO
How can you believe Gods word/ scripture without his Spirit?
Who leads us through scripture?
You have NEVER posted any scripture that says that one must be born again to believe. How do I know that? Because there is no such scripture. If you think there is, then post it and we can discuss it.
What are you talking about..
One must be Born Again to believe what?
Discuss my questions that I put to you?... @JBO
You keep evading my questions?
Please discuss this scripture? @JBO
What is dead to sin in us @JBO...
God says if we don’t have the Spirit then we are none of his...what does this mean? @JBO
Romans 6
New International Version
Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
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When you post scripture that says that we must be born again to believe in God, then we can continue. But there is no such scripture.
19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.Satan is not born again, obviously, but he believes."
So you "believe" and it matters not that you just believe if you claim Christianity. Believe all you want, it will never get you through the gates of Heaven/Paradise/The New Earth.
It takes more than belief and being born again to be on His right hand in the judgement, you have to be spirit filled or "you are none of His".
Many will come in His name and be tossed out and they will hear the scariest words I can think of ever hearing: "I never knew you"
Halleluyah!!!....Amen!!....this is spoken in the Spirit...Praise God. thanks @Nancy
He believes that there is one God. He obviously does not believe in God. Nor does he repent or confess
Rom 10:8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame."
Clearly there is a difference between believing something or someone and and believing in something or someone. You need to understand the difference.
When I pray for the un saved, I first pray that The Lord would soften their hearts, so as to be able to receive His Words. A hard heart will hear nothing, IMHO
But, that's just me, no scripture, sorry.
"Clearly there is a difference between believing something or someone and and believing in something or someone. You need to understand the difference."
Yes, and that is what I tried getting across to you, but you simply used it to say it YOUR way.
Clearly, you have misunderstood.
Nobody on here or in any church can agree on every single thing, it is best to, as Paul said "I am determined to know nothing of you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified"...he was probably tired of all the back and forth bickering, as many on here are as well.
Why be sorry?When I pray for the un saved, I first pray that The Lord would soften their hearts, so as to be able to receive His Words. A hard heart will hear nothing, IMHO
But where do you read that a hard heart will hear nothing? Did Pharoah not hear the words of God from Moses? Of course he did. He just chose to reject them. There are people everyday that hear God's words, they just choose not to receive them.
But I have to ask. Do you seriously think that the people who hear the words reject them because God didn't soften their hearts? If so, doesn't that place the onus on God, not the one who heard by failed to receive His words?
Amen!!!When I pray for the un saved, I first pray that The Lord would soften their hearts, so as to be able to receive His Words. A hard heart will hear nothing, IMHO
Ephesians 4:18 - Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Matthew 13:14-15 - And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: (Read More...)
Proverbs 28:13-14 - He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. (Read More...)
Hebrews 3:8 - Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Mark 8:17 - And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened?
All of those speak of those who have hardened their hearts. None of them speak about God softening their hearts.
The message there is clear. Do not hardened your heart.
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Listen..,how would God soften my heart to hear him?
What must I be in Christ for the Holy Spirit to soften my heart?
I doubt you can answer, because imo...you are seriously in ignorance of what it means to be in the Spirit....
You don’t speak of spiritual matters, you post scripture then you voice from your own intellect...being honest.
You have never ever answered any questions of a spiritual matter.
When you have actually anything in the Spirit to say @JBO ...then get back to me....as I’m afraid I do;t understand your intellect...as in head knowledge.
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version One of those listening was a woman from the city of Thyatira named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth. She was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message. New Living Translation One of them was Lydia from Thyatira, a merchant of expensive purple cloth, who worshiped God. As she listened to us, the Lord opened her heart, and she accepted what Paul was saying. English Standard Version One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul. Berean Standard Bible Among those listening was a woman named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth from the city of Thyatira, who was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul’s message |
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Oh my.....as I have said JBO....get back to me when you know what being in the Spirit means....you are still in the intellect my dear...I too was once in that place and was ignorant of any of Gods word @JBO...
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. |
On my....Get back to me when you can show me where in scripture that it says that God softens hearts. You are still in the intellect my dear....
I already did..he opened Lydia’s heart....what’s that if it’s not softening..her heart was closed what’s that if it’s not hardened to hearing Gods word....now, if you don’t mind, I have nothing further to discuss with you, as from my observation of your posts....you have no spiritual knowledge and I find your own intellect extremely boring.
You don’t imo speak in the Spirit only the boring as Henry intellect, your words have no life in them.
84 years old...oh my...bye, bye.
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