How to Test the Spirits?

[12question]

Positionally we are considered to be IN Christ... but there are no literal trips to Heaven like we see happen to Paul as this is as the Lord wills, and not something we decided to do on our own

Did God tell you that only Paul can go into a first, second, third, fourth or any other heaven? There's nothing recorded in the bible forbidding anyone from going into heaven that I know of, do you?

 

[12question]

some of the delusional charismatics claim that you see on Sid Roth's show

I have never hear of this person so I cannot comment on him or what he does. I don't identify as 'charismatic' or anything else for that matter.

they always have unbiblical doctrine they claim they got from a visit to Heaven that does not agree with God's Word which is how we know they are delusional

Again, whether they are delusional or not, I don't know but you seem to know, so it sounds like you know best, can judge best and condemn best.

pop in and out of Heaven

I do this and love spending time with Them there and with Their Spirit on earth as well. Wherever I am, a Creator is with me and I with Them. And this experience is available for those who will take up this opportunity God presents of a growing intimate relationship with their Creators.
This is fantastic news!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Did God tell you that only Paul can go into a first, second, third, fourth or any other heaven? There's nothing recorded in the bible forbidding anyone from going into heaven that I know of, do you?

The Lord never said we couldn't smoke crack cocaine either... but it is a sin if we do.

Spiritual gifts and manifestations are given as the Lord wills (1 Corinthians 12:1-11) and the pathway you are on is one where YOU think YOU will dictate to God what He will do and allow without having any promise from the Lord showing where He promised you could leave your body in an out of body experience and pop in to Heaven anytime you feel like it.

Those believing such get caught up in to all sorts of false doctrine because they start going by what they "think" God is telling them having discarded God's written Word and the end is full blown deception into occult activity led by demon spirits

 

[12question]

Spiritual gifts and manifestations are given as the Lord wills

So you know for a fact, God told you, that it wasn't His will for me to go into His presence as I experienced and shared earlier today? What did He say to you about me in particular. I'm happy to hear it BBJ.

and the pathway you are on is one where YOU think YOU will dictate to God what He will do and allow without having any promise from the Lord showing where He promised you could leave your body in an out of body experience and pop in to Heaven anytime you feel like it.

He invited me into His presence a long time ago when I was adopted into His family and made a son of His. I don't need Him to promise me He will open the door into His presence on certain days or hours. That door was opened a long time ago and I am very welcome to go to Him whenever I desire. We enjoy each others company. I invite you to join us in having fellowship together in heaven. BBJ I have just asked our Father to invite you to join us. I really hope your eyes are opened and that you know that you are accepted in the Beloved. And that the Beloved is at the right hand of Father. And you are in Him right now. Enjoy His company in heaven for it is beautiful, peaceful, restful. His loving kindness He offers there is amazing also.

 

[Ziggy]

So you know for a fact, God told you, that it wasn't His will for me to go into His presence as I experienced and shared earlier today? What did He say to you about me in particular. I'm happy to hear it BBJ.

He invited me into His presence a long time ago when I was adopted into His family and made a son of His. I don't need Him to promise me He will open the door into His presence on certain days or hours. That door was opened a long time ago and I am very welcome to go to Him whenever I desire. We enjoy each others company. I invite you to join us in having fellowship together in heaven. BBJ I have just asked our Father to invite you to join us. I really hope your eyes are opened and that you know that you are accepted in the Beloved. And that the Beloved is at the right hand of Father. And you are in Him right now. Enjoy His company in heaven for it is beautiful, peaceful, restful. His loving kindness He offers there is amazing also.

don't let the thorns prick you.

Hugs

 

[12question]

The Lord never said we couldn't smoke crack cocaine either... but it is a sin if we do.

I'm curious, how did you come to the conclusion that smoking crack cocaine is a sin?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I don't need Him to promise me He will open the door into His presence on certain days or hours.

Big difference between sensing the Lord's presence during prayer or praise and worship... verses claiming to be able to pop in to Heaven at will

You are mistaking sensing the Lord's peaceful presence with actually leaving your body and going to be in Heaven.

 

[Hobie]

You should not believe or presumt that we have all stopped. The climb and the growth continues in some of us, really... The only stopping place is to be when we have reached the end of our course. I still live and surrender and strive. I still ask, seek and knock. My end is not yet.
Give God the glory!

Yes, but the unclean spirits know what is truth, but yet they turned from it even though, and now look to deceive as many as they can, and this is what we are seeing...
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

[amadeus]

step further:

Col 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Eph 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Who was the angel Jacob wrestled with.. his name is secret.

Gen 32:24
And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
Gen 32:25
And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
Gen 32:27
And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
Gen 32:28
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Gen 32:29
And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.

Jdg 13:17
And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?
Jdg 13:18
And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

Phl 2:8

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Phl 2:11
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The rich man and Lazarus in the parable I believe is the same person. And the gulf between then is Faith.

Does Satan do anything by faith or is he presumptuos, high minded, heavy handed?
What does it mean to humble oneself? And why would Jesus need to be humbled?

I look at the book of Revelation as if it is written with a mirror view.
It is what we see happening in heaven, so what we see on earth is just an image of that.

I see this image we call Satan, all powerful, controlling, demands worship, you can't do this or that without his authority and his seal, his name, or his status.

Then we see Jesus, who came to earth and humbled himself and gave himself to death.
The last thing to be destroyed is death itself.

The old man.

Jesus was baptised..

Mat 3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

How many Sons does God have?
Jhn 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Luk 16:23
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Mat 20:22
But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

1Jo 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Jhn 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Jhn 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Mar 9:5
And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Moses ruled over Israel. Jesus is head of the Church.
Where did Moses' body go?


so if I say that I believe it's possible that Satan was God's right hand man. But he wanted to be God and not just serve him.
So God threw him down to the earth and put him in human form under the law which he created, and he had to humble himself, repair the damage he had done,
By becoming the very sin he inflicted on man. He had to tempt himself and overcome, and die the death he created.
He had to do all of this through faith. He had to go through the fire and be purified. Moses.

And then God gave him his own Kingdom and a new name because he pleased God, and was begotten as his only Son. Jesus.

Then people say I'm crazy, that's not possible....

I see it as simply another layer of the onion that gets peeled one layer at a time.

2Jo 1:3
Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Just THINKING..
Hugs

I won't agree with you on every point nor on every conclusion, but I understand where you are in this. Just keep on thinking and also listening to God. He does understand it all and and if correction is needed for any of us, will He withhold it from us? We do live by faith rather than by knowledge. God has the knowledge.

 

[Ziggy]

I won't agree with you, but I understand where you are in this. Just keep on thinking and also listening to God. He does understand it all and when and if correction is needed, will He withhold it from us? We do live by faith rather than by knowledge. God has the knowledge.

I see Moses and the Old Covenant, the system it was under as the old man or the beast.
And Jesus is the New covenant, God's government according to the new man, where there is no beast.

I see Pharoah and Caesar, Egypt and Rome. I see history repeating itself until that beast gets too big and has to fall.
So for the last 2000 years this thing has been growing. And it's nastier than all the other ones before.
And for the last 2000 years God's grace has abounded much more.
It's spiritual warfare and we're smack dab in the middle of it.

There so many interpretations in the book of Revelation. It's for those who have ears to hear, and sometimes my ears hear a lot of different things.

Hugs

 

[amadeus]

Yes, but the unclean spirits know what is truth, but yet they turned from it even though, and now look to deceive as many as they can, and this is what we are seeing...
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

God always knows what is the best choice for us in each and every decision we have to make while we still have time. Regardless of what any tempters know or do not know, if we are continually surrendering to God and following Him, we will not go astray. I believe this!

 

[amadeus]

I see Moses and the Old Covenant, the system it was under as the old man or the beast.

I see in each believer today who has not yet completely overcome the world of our own temptations, both the old man and the new man in a struggle. The old man has no chance of winning unless are too often quenching the Spirit.

John the Baptist said this:

Joh 3:30

He must increase, but I must decrease.

That is the new man [Jesus] in me increasing while the old man is decreasing. That is how it should be but man in his "free-will" still is able to stop the work of the Holy Spirit in him, and when he does so he is opposing God. We can do that, but if we are when our time runs out... we may find ourselves really and finally dead to God.

And Jesus is the New covenant, God's government according to the new man, where there is no beast.

Where there is a beast in each of us, that would be the old man who needs to be completely and finally killed. Jesus did this when he overcame all of the temptations. When he had done this as per the following:

Joh 16:33

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

He then was no longer in the world of the temptations of men. The cross then lay before him:

Joh 17:11

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

We, however, until we have overcome all that he overcame... are still in the world. We are still tempted! We are still fighting the beast or beasts.


Ec 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Ec 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.


Ec 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.


Ec 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?” Ecc 3:18-21

But then...

Pr 9:1 Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:


Pr 9:2 She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table.” Prov 9:1-2

In our beginning as a follower of Christ, were we not all unclean beasts knowing nothing and alone able to do nothing?

But "Wisdom" [Jesus] has opened the Way to kill our beasts that is to enable us to do so by the power of the Holy Spirit. A believing person who is constantly quenching the Holy Spirit within, may find himself running out of time...

I see Pharoah and Caesar, Egypt and Rome. I see history repeating itself until that beast gets too big and has to fall.
So for the last 2000 years this thing has been growing. And it's nastier than all the other ones before.
And for the last 2000 years God's grace has abounded much more.
It's spiritual warfare and we're smack dab in the middle of it.

Our primary part should be in always allowing the new man via the Holy Spirit to lead the way for us killing each and every beast that is fighting to regain the dominion he had in us before we met Jesus.

Jas 4:1	From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
Jas 4:2	Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
Jas 4:3	Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
Jas 4:4	Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

There so many interpretations in the book of Revelation. It's for those who have ears to hear, and sometimes my ears hear a lot of different things.

Hugs

Amen! Keep on digging and listening to God.

 

[12question]

God always knows what is the best choice for us in each and every decision we have to make while we still have time. Regardless of what any tempters know or do not know, if we are continually surrendering to God and following Him, we will not go astray. I believe this!

And isn't it great to know that if we go astray the Great Shepherd will go out of His way to come get us and return us to His flock.

 

[amadeus]

And isn't it great to know that if we go astray the Great Shepherd will go out of His way to come get us and return us to His flock.

Amen!

 

[Hobie]

So you know for a fact, God told you, that it wasn't His will for me to go into His presence as I experienced and shared earlier today? What did He say to you about me in particular. I'm happy to hear it BBJ.

He invited me into His presence a long time ago when I was adopted into His family and made a son of His. I don't need Him to promise me He will open the door into His presence on certain days or hours. That door was opened a long time ago and I am very welcome to go to Him whenever I desire. We enjoy each others company. I invite you to join us in having fellowship together in heaven. BBJ I have just asked our Father to invite you to join us. I really hope your eyes are opened and that you know that you are accepted in the Beloved. And that the Beloved is at the right hand of Father. And you are in Him right now. Enjoy His company in heaven for it is beautiful, peaceful, restful. His loving kindness He offers there is amazing also.

The thing is why do you need a Saviour if you are already 'experiencing' heaven with the 'Father'? That is either very fraught with danger view or you have been 'perfected'.... I think we need to discern from what Gods Word gives us...

 

[MatthewG]

Invite them over to spend some time with you. Go out for a walk about the neighborhood or town.

If anything, a person with the Spirit of Christ, will always love in the manner of Godly love. Even if they love, is required to report a person for a crime. A person who is of Yahava, and a follower of Yeshua, will always honor Yahava, above all else, and having love for God first, and love for their neighbor second.

 

[Hobie]

I'm curious, how did you come to the conclusion that smoking crack cocaine is a sin?

Well, I think we are given clear direction on these things..

John 5:14
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

 

[12question]

Well, I think we are given clear direction on these things..

John 5:14
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

I haven't read in the bible that this is a sin. I wouldn't touch the stuff myself, nor encourage anyone to use it either. But is it a sin in God's eyes to touch, sell, use this substance. The contributors of the bibles do not mention it at all.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I'm curious, how did you come to the conclusion that smoking crack cocaine is a sin?

God's Word says intoxication is a sin.... you had no idea???

 

[MA2444]

I haven't read in the bible that this is a sin. I wouldn't touch the stuff myself, nor encourage anyone to use it either. But is it a sin in God's eyes to touch, sell, use this substance. The contributors of the bibles do not mention it at all.

The Bible sure does talk about it in a language that all addicts speak. It's called Medication.

Now then, take the word medication and find it all over scripture (there's lots of mentions of it). and do a word study on it and you will see that "medication" is translated from the original language, Pharmekia (something like that) and the meaning of that word is...(wait for it)...Witchcraft.

That should point you to other refrences that are in there that they translated different ways. Like Sorcery means the same thing. Stuff like that. So you have some studying to do Brother! It is in there!

Crack Cocaine is not a sin! Bwahahaha! Come on, Brother, who do you think learned how to make the very first batch of it? The Witch Doctors! Sorcerers. Just because your local version is someone's DIY crack doesnt mean it isnt sorcery. So Pharmecuetical or not it's all Witchcraft.

Or are you going to explaain to me that Heroin is bad but opioid pills are merely medicine? Merely Witchcraft? Better get studying!