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It's more than that: when the action of pruning is taken, when these cuts are made, it actually stimulates new growth, which is why part of the reason why you want to prune in Spring, not in Winter or in late Fall, because you don't want the plant to be stimulated to grow by pruning it.
I think you are assuming things you don't really know. I don't think we've ever discussed faith, you and I, and I don't believe you know what I think about belief and faith.
As I had said: it is just as true to simply say "You can't lose salvation" as it is to include all the other details to say the same thing.
There is the issue of those who do not have true faith, and they seem not to be regenerate, but there seems to be another category of people who have believed who can fall away, and, in the sense that when someone is "blotted out", they are accounted as having never been saved (their history with God is forgotten), that would also fall under the category of "the saved can never be lost", because they are accounted as having never been in the book (there is just a blot where their name used to be)... but, at the end of the day, this results in the same doctrine that "you cannot fall away", because they were never saved in the first place.
The "devil's advocate" argument I presented for John 15, and the argument I may use against that argument.
John seems to sidestep all the details, and get right down to the point: you cannot lose salvation. There are other details that can be brought in, but, at the end of the day, they're not relevant, because anyone who is saved cannot lose salvation, and if they lose salvation they are accounted as having never been saved, so, it's the same thing as saying "you cannot lose salvation".
No, it's not the same, and now I understand what you've been saying, and I think I understand your reluctance to give a clear answer.
The very first boast the user made was enough for me to place him on ignore--"I can't even..."
Yes, it is the same--because if, at the end of the day, you're "blotted out", you're accounted as having never been saved, which is the same thing as saying "the saved can never be lost", because those who are saved but are blotted out "were never saved", so that there is still the category of the "saved" who will never fall away.
You are talking in circles or so it seems to me, trying to make like being saved is not saved unless you stay saved so you really are saved unless you lose your really are saved to be never was saved because you lost your really was saved.
I don't really like to use "ignore" as it can harm the context of a conversation. But I may not give many replies.
Yes--but that is a different conversation, and I don't know if I want to get into it now.
Doesn't matter--Paul teaches the same (Romans 1:17, 14:5, 23; 2:6-16; Galatians 6:6-10).
