What is the Kingdom of God?
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Eternally Grateful
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Rom_12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Eph_4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
2Co_10:13 But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.
2Co_10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:
2Co_10:15 Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly,
2Co_11:23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
2Co_12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
Gal_1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
Eph_4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Eph_4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph_4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Guess you have missed these verses-right Epi?
Words can confuse people...if they are not understood in context.
There is a difference between a measure and the full measure.
I'll leave it to you to figure out which is being presented in the verse below...
“And to know the love of Christ, which passes knowledge, that you might be filled with all the fulness of God.” Eph. 3:19
An example of an initial measure of salvation?...crossing the Red Sea into the Wilderness. An example of the full measure of salvation? Crossing the Jordan into the Promised Land.
A perfect parallel in OUR time.
An example of an initial measure of grace (and salvation)? Being regenerated by the Spirit at New Birth (in the Spirit). An example of the full measure of grace? Being translated into the kingdom realm of the Spirit to walk as Jesus walked.
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Heb 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Let me know whether or how you understand what that verse is saying.
And now you are contradicting yourself. Your theology is all over the place and confusing. AKA gaslighting. Glad you are finally agreeing that faith is not of our own. That no man may boast. Can I hold you to it?
No, I am not trying to achieve anything in my own strength. No more than I started out in my own strength. You need ears to hear what is being conveyed.
To know (γνῶναι)
Practically, through experience; while apprehend marks the knowledge as conception.
Love of Christ
Christ's love to us. Human love to Christ could not be described in these terms.
Which passeth knowledge (τὴν ὑπερβάλλουσαν τῆς γνώσεως).
Which surpasses mere knowledge without the experience of love. Note the play on the words know and knowledge.
That ye might be filled with all the fullness of God (ἵνα πληρωθῆτε εἰς πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τοῦ θεοῦ)
Note the recurrence of that; that He would grant you; that ye may be strong; that ye may be filled. With is better rendered unto, to the measure or standard of.
Fullness of God is the fullness which God imparts through the dwelling of Christ in the heart; Christ, in whom the Father was pleased that all the fullness should dwell (Col_1:19), and in whom dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead (Col_2:9).
filled with all the fullness of God -- Barnes says, "What an expression! How rich and glorious Who can comprehend all that it implies?"
It seems to mean that as God loves and is merciful, so his followers ought to be filled with the same character and attitudes that we know God possesses. - WG
Utley says this " is a play on the false teachings of the Gnostics, who emphasized fullness (plerôma) as special knowledge which enabled one to pass through all the angelic spheres (aeons) to heaven. Christ is the true "fullness of God" (cf. Eph_1:23; Col_2:9)."
Here is Ellicot on this passage-
That ye might be filled with (or, rather, up to) all the fulness of God.—This clause must be taken as dependent, not merely on the clause immediately preceding, but on the whole sentence. It describes the final and glorious consequence of the indwelling of Christ in the heart, viz., the “being filled” with grace “up to the fulness of God.”
The meaning is more clearly seen in the fuller expression below (Eph_4:13): “till we all come . . . to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.”
It is simply perfect conformation to the image of Him in whom “dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (Col_2:9), and whose fulness is therefore the “fulness of God,” manifesting all the attributes of the divine nature.
The process is described in 2Co_3:18, “We all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory;” its consummation in 1Jn_3:2, “When He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.” (Comp. Php_3:20-21.)
Here it completes the climax. When Christ dwells in the heart we have first, love perfecting the faith which roots the life in Him; next, a thoughtful knowledge, entering by degrees into the unsearchable riches of His love to us; and, lastly, the filling the soul, itself weak and empty, up to the perfection of likeness to Him, so renewing and deepening through all time and eternity the image of God in our humanity.
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Verb - Aorist Subjunctive Passive - 2nd Person Plural.
Php 4:6 do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.
Php 4:7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Col 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Col 2:10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.
Col 2:11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
Col 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
Col 2:14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
But you are correct-
"you have been made complete" This is a perfect passive participle of plerōma (cf. Col. 2:9; John 1:16; Eph. 3:19). The Christian has been and continues to be filled by Him and for Him! Jesus has made us complete!
I don't want to pontificate or use a multiplicity of empty words-but I learn daily and pray we all are rightly dividing the word of God-searching the Scriptures daily.
Shalom.
J.
This is not making sense at all-you have edited the post with no Scripture references at all. Except for Eph 3.19.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I think there are those who understand in their own intellect.
Then there are those who I believe understand in the Spirit...if you get my meaning...just my thoughts.
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. New Living Translation But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. English Standard Version The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Berean Standard Bible The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned |
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A very curious verse to post. This is about the playing out in future ...the cosmos under His dominion. That's future and has nothing to do with us. So then you don't have any responsibility for this...which I think you like.
You are gaslighting here. And saying I am.
My teaching is crystal clear...but you lack the depth of understanding to realize that. We do have our own faith. From faith INTO faith. You are confused. Why instead of trolling my threads with no understanding of what I teach...listen to the video.
Everything you do is in your own strength...your entire reasoning process is religious in full. You just don't realize that....yet.
Some are gifted by God-some are in various stages of their growth in Christ Jesus and we have no mandate to speak in a condescendingly manner to our sisters IN Christ.
Listen to someone who IS gifted by God to teach and preach on the Basileia of God. And how to tie the knots.
Shalom
J.
Look for a double meaning: what you see in addition to what I see,
Eternally Grateful
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I would not look for a double meaning where non is imposed.
thats how we have so many doctrines blowing in the wind..
Because people get meanings from other than God... I do not suggest that you do that. I believe there times when the scripture has more than one meaning. This frequently is true in the OT where the words tell the history, but God may have another message for the reader besides the history. Does God always have the same message for each person at any given moment? That is not for me to say, but I doubt it.
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The inference is you can't "see" what he is "seeing" -keep up the good work brother.
J.
Nothing wrong to read not only the Bible, but secondary sources that can help ME understand Scriptures WITHOUT compromising on the Holy Writ-with the help of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Shalom
J.
Amen! Reading a commentary or other book by a man might be no different than reading a post by another person on this forum. Can we not ever listen what someone else has to say? Of course we can. Sometimes we may learn something important by doing that.
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