There is no spiritual gift called "the gift of tongues".

[The Learner]

Luke 12:32-38

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Don’t Trust in Money​

32 “Don’t fear, little flock. Your Father wants to share his kingdom with you. 33 Sell the things you have and give that money to those who need it. This is the only way you can keep your riches from being lost. You will be storing treasure in heaven that lasts forever. Thieves can’t steal that treasure, and moths can’t destroy it. 34 Your heart will be where your treasure is.

Always Be Ready​

35 “Be ready! Be fully dressed and have your lights shining. 36 Be like servants who are waiting for their master to come home from a wedding party. The master comes and knocks, and the servants immediately open the door for him. 37 When their master sees that they are ready and waiting for him, it will be a great day for those servants. I can tell you without a doubt, the master will get himself ready to serve a meal and tell the servants to sit down. Then he will serve them. 38 Those servants might have to wait until midnight or later for their master. But they will be glad they did when he comes in and finds them still waiting.
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[The Learner]

Which is the narrow gate?
1 single religion, unified in love, peace and thought, a worldwide brotherhood
2) hundreds of religions with hundreds of different truths= a mass of confusion.

Those who follow the true Jesus who is God. See Bowman's outline of biblical trinity I already posted. https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

 

[The Learner]

How did you know it was accurate unless you ALSO know the language the tongues were spoken in?
What was your comparative?

And can you discern between similar languages like Spanish and Portuguese?
Knowledge of idioms is also important in any language translation.

But most importantly, what point are you trying to make about tongues?

1 Corinthians 14:39 NIV
Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy,
and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

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As I said, twice before, I know the language --- it is form of Cherokee.

 

[The Learner]

Great post, thanks.

Interesting that those against tongues latch on to the phrase "keep silence in the church" while completely
overlooking the "and let him speak to himself, and to God" statement. "in the church" being inferred.
So, "keep silent in the church" in the sense sense of not ADDRESSING the WHOLE church with a message in tongues.
But RATHER "let him speak to himself, and to God." INSTEAD.

So...
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in [addressing] the [whole] church;
and let him speak to himself, and to God [in the church].

/ @Hillsage

friend, it is my guess that speak silently to God.

 

[The Learner]

I know of a group of people who visit churches, speak alone in their native language. Then someone gives an interpretation which is noway close to what they said. One time a guy gave his shopping list and got a werid interpretation.
I believe all the spiritual gifts exists today. I test what is going on to see if it is genuine --- rarely is real.

 

[Fred J]

Your darkness is something else--Here is what Jesus said--Matt 5:5-Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the EARTH.

Be not wise in your own conceit, for knowledge puffs you up, and apparently your fallacy is exposed. For it is written, as Jesus disciple; "You will know them by their fruit."

That verse you quote from others, Jesus is discipling His chosen born again disciples. No matter, there were crowds gathered at the sermon on the mount or at other times. These are the ones who fulfilled the commission given by Lord Jesus Christ before ascension. Therefore, they've made disciples of all nation and established churches worldwide, by their foundation and the Prophets', as we're disciple.

Then, who are the 'meek' Jesus is referring to, the world for now you're one with??

No, babes in Christ!

They are the born again of water and of the Spirit, the Apostles and their church, 'meek', who will run for Jesus and even lay down their own lives by faith.

They will perish, as scripture depict, 'asleep', for the moment, until the dead in Christ shall rise with the living. Then, they will all be changed from their mortal bodies to the immortal Heavenly ordained bodies.

Now, why not these 'meek saints' who've received their ordained immortal bodies, 'inherit the earth' ??

For it is written, 'Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of GOD; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ..................................'

You and your follower, 'The Learner', don't claim to be better than Apostle Paul do you ??

Last time i checked, Jesus proclaimed, 'Apostle Paul is an instrument of His'.

Are you both better than Jesus in other words??

Least you both fit the scripture, the Apostles of Jesus description of, 'imposters' and 'counterfeits'.

Thank you and our time is up.

 

[St. SteVen]

As I said, twice before, I know the language --- it is form of Cherokee.

A "form" of Cherokee?
You are claiming that a Christian woman was cursing God in tongues because
you say you understood what she was saying as a form of Cherokee?

If you are mistaken, would it be bearing false witness against her?
What power source would be behind someone cursing God in tongues?
Jesus indicated that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing the work of God to Satan.
(the supposed unforgivable sin)

Do you speak in tongues?
Would you allow the Holy Spirit to manifest himself that way in you?

What say you?

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[Keiw]

The little flock=144,000 bought from the earth( Rev 14:3) = the anointed bride of Christ-To rule as kings and priests alongside of Jesus on thrones( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)

 

[Keiw]

Those who follow the true Jesus who is God. See Bowman's outline of biblical trinity I already posted. https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

I don't need to look at that. True followers believe Jesus over the twisting's of men-John 17:3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and knowing the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ. Even Paul names only the Father as God. 1Cor 8:6--Thus either Jesus and Paul lied or trinity teachers are lying.

 

[Keiw]

Be not wise in your own conceit, for knowledge puffs you up, and apparently your fallacy is exposed. For it is written, as Jesus disciple; "You will know them by their fruit."

That verse you quote from others, Jesus is discipling His chosen born again disciples. No matter, there were crowds gathered at the sermon on the mount or at other times. These are the ones who fulfilled the commission given by Lord Jesus Christ before ascension. Therefore, they've made disciples of all nation and established churches worldwide, by their foundation and the Prophets', as we're disciple.

Then, who are the 'meek' Jesus is referring to, the world for now you're one with??

No, babes in Christ!

They are the born again of water and of the Spirit, the Apostles and their church, 'meek', who will run for Jesus and even lay down their own lives by faith.

They will perish, as scripture depict, 'asleep', for the moment, until the dead in Christ shall rise with the living. Then, they will all be changed from their mortal bodies to the immortal Heavenly ordained bodies.

Now, why not these 'meek saints' who've received their ordained immortal bodies, 'inherit the earth' ??

For it is written, 'Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of GOD; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ..................................'

You and your follower, 'The Learner', don't claim to be better than Apostle Paul do you ??

Last time i checked, Jesus proclaimed, 'Apostle Paul is an instrument of His'.

Are you both better than Jesus in other words??

Least you both fit the scripture, the Apostles of Jesus description of, 'imposters' and 'counterfeits'.

Thank you and our time is up.

Its you who will not believe Jesus or Paul--John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and knowing the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ. 1Cor 8:6--There is one God to all the Father.= the true gospel.

 

[Fred J]

Its you who will not believe Jesus or Paul--John 17:3--This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and knowing the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ. 1Cor 8:6--There is one God to all the Father.= the true gospel.

Wise up and am for you to serve, 'Iron sharpens iron'. if not, am not able, am merely an unworthy servant of Christ and 'Sola Scriptural'. GOD through Christ have given gifted servants, and am merely a part of them.

Based on our discussion, supporting scripture goes with; 'The immortal meek shall inherit the earth', period

Remember; "Those who are born of the flesh (mortal) are flesh (mortal). And, those who are born of the Holy Spirit (Immortal) are spirit (immortal)." (John ch. 3 / Rom ch. 8)

 

[Keiw]

Wise up and am for you to serve, 'Iron sharpens iron'. if not, am not able, am merely an unworthy servant of Christ and 'Sola Scriptural'. GOD through Christ have given gifted servants, and am merely a part of them.

Based on our discussion, supporting scripture goes with; 'The immortal meek shall inherit the earth', period

Remember; "Those who are born of the flesh (mortal) are flesh (mortal). And, those who are born of the Holy Spirit (Immortal) are spirit (immortal)." (John ch. 3 / Rom ch. 8)

I guess you are saying you won't believe Jesus and yet you think you will be saved. You can't accomplish this-John 4:22-24 unless you believe Jesus' truth.

 

[The Learner]

Be not wise in your own conceit, for knowledge puffs you up, and apparently your fallacy is exposed. For it is written, as Jesus disciple; "You will know them by their fruit."

That verse you quote from others, Jesus is discipling His chosen born again disciples. No matter, there were crowds gathered at the sermon on the mount or at other times. These are the ones who fulfilled the commission given by Lord Jesus Christ before ascension. Therefore, they've made disciples of all nation and established churches worldwide, by their foundation and the Prophets', as we're disciple.

Then, who are the 'meek' Jesus is referring to, the world for now you're one with??

No, babes in Christ!

They are the born again of water and of the Spirit, the Apostles and their church, 'meek', who will run for Jesus and even lay down their own lives by faith.

They will perish, as scripture depict, 'asleep', for the moment, until the dead in Christ shall rise with the living. Then, they will all be changed from their mortal bodies to the immortal Heavenly ordained bodies.

Now, why not these 'meek saints' who've received their ordained immortal bodies, 'inherit the earth' ??

For it is written, 'Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of GOD; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ..................................'

You and your follower, 'The Learner', don't claim to be better than Apostle Paul do you ??

Last time i checked, Jesus proclaimed, 'Apostle Paul is an instrument of His'.

Are you both better than Jesus in other words??

Least you both fit the scripture, the Apostles of Jesus description of, 'imposters' and 'counterfeits'.

Thank you and our time is up.

Friend, I know many Atheists, LDS aka Mormons, Christian Sciencists, Muslims who Nice People who do many good works. The problem is they all have Anothr Jesus, thus their works are only window dressing.

 

[The Learner]

A "form" of Cherokee?
You are claiming that a Christian woman was cursing God in tongues because
you say you understood what she was saying as a form of Cherokee?

If you are mistaken, would it be bearing false witness against her?
What power source would be behind someone cursing God in tongues?
Jesus indicated that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is attributing the work of God to Satan.
(the supposed unforgivable sin)

Do you speak in tongues?
Would you allow the Holy Spirit to manifest himself that way in you?

What say you?

/

I am guessing it is just her sin nature, flesh.

 

[The Learner]

The little flock=144,000 bought from the earth( Rev 14:3) = the anointed bride of Christ-To rule as kings and priests alongside of Jesus on thrones( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)

“I Am Alpha And Omega, The Beginning And The Ending,” saith the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

The one who is to come is Jesus.

 

[The Learner]

I don't need to look at that. True followers believe Jesus over the twisting's of men-John 17:3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and knowing the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ. Even Paul names only the Father as God. 1Cor 8:6--Thus either Jesus and Paul lied or trinity teachers are lying.

John 10 he is saying one in nature with the Father.
John 17 is one in spirit or agreement.

 

[St. SteVen]

I am guessing it is just her sin nature, flesh.

Honestly?
That seems preposterous.

/

 

[The Learner]

The
John 10 he is saying one in nature with the Father.
John 17 is one in spirit or agreement.
is a well know word study fallacy.


"I and the Father are one."

This verse is often used by Trinitarians as proof of the essential unity and equality of Jesus with His Father. Some Trinitarian commentators and many non-Trinitarians argue that Jesus is simply speaking about a unity of purpose, of His union with God's design and plan for His people. Still others cite this verse as teaching that the Father and Jesus are actually the same divine Person.
The word translated "one" is in the neuter gender, not the masculine, and specifies "unity" in a general, not personal, sense. The precise nature of this unity must be derived from context.

Jesus has just spoken not about His union with the Father's purpose, but with His Father's power (vv. 28 - 29). Jesus has said that no one can snatch those the Father has given Him from His hands. He has said that He gives eternal life to His sheep - a claim to Divine prerogative in itself. He then repeats what He has said about no one being able to steal His sheep, but this time, it is the Father's hands who hold them - the Father who is "greater than all." Thus, Jesus equates Himself to His Father in both giving eternal life to the sheep and in the power to "hold" them fast. It is in this context of Divine salvation and preservation that Jesus says, "I and the Father are one."

Thus, Jesus is not asserting that He is the same person as the Father (which would have demanded the masculine "one"); nor is He claiming unity in purpose or plan. In this context, He can only be asserting His unity with His Father as the author of eternal life and equal in power to Him who is "greater than all." This view is supported by several additional facts:

1. The Jews understood Him to be claiming to be God. (vv. 31 - 33).
2. Jesus does not deny their accusation (vv. 34 - 36).
3. Jesus repeats His original assertion in slightly different language (vv. 37 - 39).

This claim in an overt declaration of Jesus' Deity.

I and my Father are one. Not in person, for the Father must be a distinct person from the Son, and the Son a distinct person from the Father; and which is further manifest, from the use of the verb plural, "I and my Father", esmen, "we are one"; that is, in nature and essence, and perfections, particularly in power; since Christ is speaking of the impossibility of plucking any of the sheep, out of his own and his Father's hands; giving this as a reason for it, their unity of nature, and equality of power; so that it must be as impracticable to pluck them out of his hands, as out of his Father's, because he is equal with God the Father, and the one God with him (Gill).

 

[The Learner]

I don't need to look at that. True followers believe Jesus over the twisting's of men-John 17:3-This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and knowing the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ. Even Paul names only the Father as God. 1Cor 8:6--Thus either Jesus and Paul lied or trinity teachers are lying.

It seems clear that the unity spoken of cannot fall short of unity of essence. The thought springs from the equality of power (my hand, the Father's hand); but infinite power is an essential attribute of God; and it is impossible to suppose that two beings distinct in essence could be equal in power (Westcott).

The oneness of will and task, in this context, is so transparently a divine will, a divine task (viz. the saving and preserving of men and women for the kingdom) that although the categories are formally functional some deeper union is presupposed (Carson, John).

G R A M M A T I C A L A N A L Y S I S​

egw kai `o pathr `en esmen. EGO KAI hO PATHR hEN ESMEN I and the Father one are. hEN (1520) To be united most closely (in will, spirit), Jn x. 30 (Thayer). In contrast to the parts, of which the whole is made up ... J 10:30 (BAGD). One (hen). Neuter, not masculine (heis). Not one person (cf. in Gal 3:28), but one essence or nature. By the plural sumus (separate persons) Sabellius is refuted, by unum Arius. So Bengel rightly argues, though Jesus is not referring, of course, to either Sabellius or Arius. The Pharisees had accused Jesus of making himself equal with God as his own special Father (John 5:18). Jesus then admitted and proved this claim (5:19-30). Now he states it tersely in this great saying repeated later (17:11, 21). Note hen used in 1 Cor 3:3 of the oneness in work of the planter and the waterer and in 17:11, 23 of the hoped for unity of Christ’s disciples. This crisp statement is the climax of Christ’s claims concerning the relation between the Father and himself (the Son). They stir the Pharisees to uncontrollable anger (RWP). ESMEN (2070) First person plural (present indicative active), "we are" The present indicative asserts something which is occurring while the speaker is making the statement.

 

[The Learner]

G R A M M A T I C A L A N A L Y S I S​

egw kai `o pathr `en esmen. EGO KAI hO PATHR hEN ESMEN I and the Father one are. hEN (1520) To be united most closely (in will, spirit), Jn x. 30 (Thayer). In contrast to the parts, of which the whole is made up ... J 10:30 (BAGD). One (hen). Neuter, not masculine (heis). Not one person (cf. in Gal 3:28), but one essence or nature. By the plural sumus (separate persons) Sabellius is refuted, by unum Arius. So Bengel rightly argues, though Jesus is not referring, of course, to either Sabellius or Arius. The Pharisees had accused Jesus of making himself equal with God as his own special Father (John 5:18). Jesus then admitted and proved this claim (5:19-30). Now he states it tersely in this great saying repeated later (17:11, 21). Note hen used in 1 Cor 3:3 of the oneness in work of the planter and the waterer and in 17:11, 23 of the hoped for unity of Christ’s disciples. This crisp statement is the climax of Christ’s claims concerning the relation between the Father and himself (the Son). They stir the Pharisees to uncontrollable anger (RWP). ESMEN (2070) First person plural (present indicative active), "we are" The present indicative asserts something which is occurring while the speaker is making the statement.