There is no spiritual gift called "the gift of tongues".

[Keiw]

Absurd, you're unaware and blind apparently, even when i've given you plain scripture and explanation accordingly.

You want to run with your mortal meek shall inherit earth, beware of a ditch you will run into.

This is where our dialog ends.

Psalm 37:29--The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it. God didn't create the earth for nothing. Its for mortals. Psalm 37:29=the new earth=Gods kingdom rule in full control forever, not a new planet.

 

[Writer]

Praying in the Spirit or praying softly in understood language at your seat in church is different from standing up and giving a message in tongues heard by all that an interpretation is required and expected.

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Praying in the Spirit or praying softly in understood language at your seat in church is different from standing up and giving a message in tongues heard by all that an interpretation is required and expected.

"Do not Grieve the Holy Spirit" - That is the unpardonable sin. I am not a member of an organized religion that squash the gifts of the Holy Spirit. In the Judgment they will face the Holy Spirit and realize He is as Real as Jesus. "for the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ".

If your complaint is that you do not want to hear, and therefore not accept the Gift of God because it is built into your church doctrines, THAN BE ACCURSED! I will never attend your church. Only if those who are falsley speaking are rebuked because there is no interpretations, and the same person recants the same over and over again each church service, then there is cause to do as instructed by Paul the apostle.

However, if someone speaks and another interpret, than it is you who is in the way when you impose your will on the Holy Spirit.

 

[Writer]

Psalm 37:29--The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it. God didn't create the earth for nothing. Its for mortals. Psalm 37:29=the new earth=Gods kingdom rule in full control forever, not a new planet.

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my word shall never pass away" - Jesus, the creator of heaven and earth.

There is coming a new heaven and a new earth with inhabitants with new bodies - they will fulfill Psalm37:29

Man lost dominan to this earth and Satan will retain it until it's passing. The New heaven and New earth domain will God and His children.

"for the creation itself will come out of it's futility at the revealing of the children of God". - After the second coming of our Lord, when He reveals His elect" and remains for a millennium.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Its reality-Peter was married

That one way we know Peter was not a catholic pope

 

[1stCenturyLady]

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"Do not Grieve the Holy Spirit" - That is the unpardonable sin. I am not a member of an organized religion that squash the gifts of the Holy Spirit. In the Judgment they will face the Holy Spirit and realize He is as Real as Jesus. "for the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ".

If your complaint is that you do not want to hear, and therefore not accept the Gift of God because it is built into your church doctrines, THAN BE ACCURSED! I will never attend your church. Only if those who are falsley speaking are rebuked because there is no interpretations, and the same person recants the same over and over again each church service, then there is cause to do as instructed by Paul the apostle.

However, if someone speaks and another interpret, than it is you who is in the way when you impose your will on the Holy Spirit.

I think you are confusing me with someone else. I'm all FOR speaking in tongues, but I do know that praying in tongues and speaking a message in tongues are both speaking in tongues, but one doesn't need interpreting and the other always requires interpretation. They are also spoken about in two different passages of Scripture and have there own rules. You have to know there are two different manifestations of tongues to not get them confused with one another and try and apply one set of rules on the other manifestation of tongues.

In Mark 16:16-18 this lists only speaking in tongues, but no interpretation is listed. Why? Because the prayer or praise is only TO GOD. 1 Cor. 14:2

In 1 Cor. 12:8-10 the gift of diverse kinds of tongues is followed by interpretation of tongues. At the end of the chapter you will also see that these gifts are given by the Spirit to only a few in every church. They are anointed for these offices as are Apostles, Teachers, etc. But just because only a few receive speaking in diverse kinds of tongues, and Interpretation of tongues should not be used to try to prove that not everyone receives tongues for prayer or praise from Mark 16:16-18. You will see there that all who believe can speaking in tongues, but will they? That is the question.

 

[Keiw]

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my word shall never pass away" - Jesus, the creator of heaven and earth.

There is coming a new heaven and a new earth with inhabitants with new bodies - they will fulfill Psalm37:29

Man lost dominan to this earth and Satan will retain it until it's passing. The New heaven and New earth domain will God and His children.

"for the creation itself will come out of it's futility at the revealing of the children of God". - After the second coming of our Lord, when He reveals His elect" and remains for a millennium.

The OT says--This earth will be here forever-Psalm 104:5-- i shared the symbolism of what the new earth is.= Gods kingdom rule in full control, no mortal govts ever again.

 

[Keiw]

That one way we know Peter was not a catholic pope View attachment 41922

Catholicism is the foretold great apostasy( 2 Thess 2:3)--they made many errors at their councils. The biggest one is making God into a trinity.

 

[Writer]

The OT says--This earth will be here forever-Psalm 104:5-- i shared the symbolism of what the new earth is.= Gods kingdom rule in full control, no mortal govts ever again.

The OT says--This earth will be here forever-Psalm 104:5-- i shared the symbolism of what the new earth is.= Gods kingdom rule in full control, no mortal govts ever again.

The OT does not say "THIS" earth. You share, that's fine, but you are not the creator of heaven and earth. Jesus is the first word and last word, He is the alph and omega and the begining and the end. The OT does not contridict Jesus. It is you that is attempting to take a piece of the puzzle and force it into your own collage and take it away from Jesus who is the author. The truth...you don't understand what you're reading.

 

[Writer]

I think you are confusing me with someone else. I'm all FOR speaking in tongues, but I do know that praying in tongues and speaking a message in tongues are both speaking in tongues, but one doesn't need interpreting and the other always requires interpretation. They are also spoken about in two different passages of Scripture and have there own rules. You have to know there are two different manifestations of tongues to not get them confused with one another and try and apply one set of rules on the other manifestation of tongues.

In Mark 16:16-18 this lists only speaking in tongues, but no interpretation is listed. Why? Because the prayer or praise is only TO GOD. 1 Cor. 14:2

In 1 Cor. 12:8-10 the gift of diverse kinds of tongues is followed by interpretation of tongues. At the end of the chapter you will also see that these gifts are given by the Spirit to only a few in every church. They are anointed for these offices as are Apostles, Teachers, etc. But just because only a few receive speaking in diverse kinds of tongues, and Interpretation of tongues should not be used to try to prove that not everyone receives tongues for prayer or praise from Mark 16:16-18. You will see there that all who believe can speaking in tongues, but will they? That is the question.

That is totally between them and God. But Lord, they cried, we did this in your name, and we did that in your name, and we did the other in your name, and the Lord answered and said, "get thee away from me, I NEVER KNEW YOU".

 

[Keiw]

The OT does not say "THIS" earth. You share, that's fine, but you are not the creator of heaven and earth. Jesus is the first word and last word, He is the alph and omega and the begining and the end. The OT does not contridict Jesus. It is you that is attempting to take a piece of the puzzle and force it into your own collage and take it away from Jesus who is the author. The truth...you don't understand what you're reading.

Jehovah is the alpha and Omega, not Jesus. The new earth= Gods kingdom in full control forever, no more satan influences. Earth transformed into an Eden( paradise) mortals made back to perfection. I know 100% its FACT. Ps 104:5--He has founded the earth upon its established places, it will not be made to totter to time indefinite, forever.
Its your religions darkness that twists truth about what the new earth is.

 

[Writer]

Jehovah is the alpha and Omega, not Jesus. The new earth= Gods kingdom in full control forever, no more satan influences. Earth transformed into an Eden( paradise) mortals made back to perfection. I know 100% its FACT. Ps 104:5--He has founded the earth upon its established places, it will not be made to totter to time indefinite, forever.
Its your religions darkness that twists truth about what the new earth is.

Ah, that explains everything. Jesus says "No one comes to the Father but by me". Oh, by the way, by His own words, God says "I am that I am" That is His name. You want to change the wording of Gods word, do it at your own peril. Jesus fullfilled the whole law, and you are not the "new" jews, but I, the elect of Jesus, am grafted in, not by my own self righteousness, but through His righteousness.

God is not His name, it is His title, Just as Lord is not His name, yet the OT refers to Him a multitude of times by that title as well. He is also refered to as Creator and Father. Your narrow mind and the effort you make to reduce Him to your level of ignorance truly says more about you than it does about Him. But that's ok, even you can be forgiven, because His mercies are greater than your stupidities.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That is totally between them and God. But Lord, they cried, we did this in your name, and we did that in your name, and we did the other in your name, and the Lord answered and said, "get thee away from me, I NEVER KNEW YOU".

Are you still addressing me? That is bearing false witness, brother. You need to apologize.

 

[Writer]

Are you still addressing me? That is bearing false witness, brother. You need to apologize.

I was not addressing you. I guess I did answer the wrong post. My sincere appologies. I'm still learning to navigate this site. Please forgive me.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Catholicism is the foretold great apostasy( 2 Thess 2:3)--they made many errors at their councils. The biggest one is making God into a trinity.

Do you follow... The Father? The Son? Or, the Holy Ghost?

How do you explain away... all the scriptures that speak of the Father?
How do you explain away... all the scriptures that speak of the Son?
How do you explain away... all the scriptures that speak of the Holy Ghost?

This has nothing to do with the catholics...

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.

The Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.

Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I was not addressing you. I guess I did answer the wrong post. My sincere appologies. I'm still learning to navigate this site. Please forgive me.

Of course! I'm so happy to see such a mature Christian. Not many people will admit an error.

 

[Keiw]

Ah, that explains everything. Jesus says "No one comes to the Father but by me". Oh, by the way, by His own words, God says "I am that I am" That is His name. You want to change the wording of Gods word, do it at your own peril. Jesus fullfilled the whole law, and you are not the "new" jews, but I, the elect of Jesus, am grafted in, not by my own self righteousness, but through His righteousness.

God is not His name, it is His title, Just as Lord is not His name, yet the OT refers to Him a multitude of times by that title as well. He is also refered to as Creator and Father. Your narrow mind and the effort you make to reduce Him to your level of ignorance truly says more about you than it does about Him. But that's ok, even you can be forgiven, because His mercies are greater than your stupidities.

Hebrew scholars say there is no-i am that i am in their Hebrew written OT. I will be what i will be is the correct translating of that Hebrew statement.
Jesus assures all that the only ones he calls friend and remains in his love are those that obey him.-John 15:10-14-- Obeying is accomplished on the mortals part.

 

[Keiw]

Do you follow... The Father? The Son? Or, the Holy Ghost?

How do you explain away... all the scriptures that speak of the Father?
How do you explain away... all the scriptures that speak of the Son?
How do you explain away... all the scriptures that speak of the Holy Ghost?

This has nothing to do with the catholics...

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.

The Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.

Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

The JW,s were allowed into the Catholic archives back in the 60,s or 70,s. They came out with proof that the spirit, water and blood are the 3 witness bearers. They weren't allowed back in. Some translations added it to their translation some kept both in.

Let us=YHVH(Jehovah) and his master worker( Prov 8:30) the one who was beside God during the creation process.=The one sent to earth and named Jesus as a mortal.
our likeness= The ability to love, reason, and be merciful, forgiving, etc.

 

[Writer]

Hebrew scholars say there is no-i am that i am in their Hebrew written OT. I will be what i will be is the correct translating of that Hebrew statement.
Jesus assures all that the only ones he calls friend and remains in his love are those that obey him.-John 15:10-14-- Obeying is accomplished on the mortals part.

Hebrew scholars do not argue that Moses asked for God's identity, nor do they argue that the Gods answer to Moses was not Jehovah.
Also, be aware that you are a witness to nothing except your own futility.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The JW,s were allowed into the Catholic archives.... They came out with....

They came out with false doctrine since the catholic church is purveyor of false doctrine... their archives is chocked full of false doctrine.

Interesting that you choose to not believe what God's Word says.

 

[The Learner]

A non-tongues-speaker instructing tongues-speakers? - LOL

We need to define "speaks". This is not a prohibition for speaking in tongues. (Personal prayer language - #1 below)
It is addressing only ONE use of tongues. (#3 below)

There are more than one kind of tongues. Not just the Gift of Tongues. (#3 below)

Five Different Uses of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language (worship/edification)
2) Intercessory prayer language (praying for others in the Spirit)
3) A prophetic message for a congregation (the Gift of tongues)
4) Singing in the Spirit (worship/edification)
5) Evangelistic language (like at Pentecost, the hearers understand it)

There may be more.
We can't limit the Holy Spirit.

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I have given my testimony to Evangelistic language with Muslims a few times now.