Why did Jesus sometimes want to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry?

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Mark 1:

32 That evening at sundown they brought to him all who were sick or oppressed by demons. 33 And the whole city was gathered together at the door. 34And he healed many who were sick with various diseases, and cast out many demons. And he would not permit the demons to speak, because they knew him.
The demons knew Jesus' true identity as the Son of God. At this point, Jesus didn't want to be too vocal about it. Further, Jesus didn't even want people to be too vocal about him either.

40 And a leper came to him, imploring him, and kneeling said to him, “If you will, you can make me clean.” 41Moved with pity, he stretched out his hand and touched him and said to him, “I will; be clean.” 42And immediately the leprosy left him, and he was made clean. 43And Jesus sternly charged him and sent him away at once, 44and said to him, “See that you say nothing to anyone,
Jesus didn't want too much publicity.

but go, show yourself to the priest and offer for your cleansing what Moses commanded, for a proof to them.” 45 But he went out and began to talk freely about it, and to spread the news, so that Jesus could no longer openly enter a town, but was out in desolate places, and people were coming to him from every quarter.
Jesus wanted to have some control over the size of the crowd.

Mark 3:

11 whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.” 12And he strictly ordered them not to make him known.
Mark 5:

18 As he was getting into the boat, the man [label him P1] who had been possessed with demons begged him that he might be with him. 19 And he did not permit him but said to him, “Go home to your friends and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you.” 20 And he went away and began to proclaim in the Decapolis how much Jesus had done for him, and everyone marveled.
P1 overdid it. He couldn't contain himself. Too much publicity as far as Jesus was concerned.

41 Taking her by the hand he said to her, “Talitha cumi,” which means, “Little girl, I say to you, arise.”
Jesus raised her from death to life.

42 And immediately the girl got up and began walking (for she was twelve years of age), and they were immediately overcome with amazement. 43 And he strictly charged them that no one should know this, and told them to give her something to eat.
Mark 7:

35 his ears were opened, his tongue was released, and he spoke plainly. 36And Jesush charged them to tell no one. But the more he charged them, the more zealously they proclaimed it. 37 And they were astonished beyond measure, saying, “He has done all things well. He even makes the deaf hear and the mute speak.”
Again, too much publicity too soon.

On the one hand, Jesus had to demonstrate by miracles/signs that he was the Son of God. On the other, he didn't want the publicity to get out of hand, so he had some control over the crowd size.
 

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Why did Jesus sometimes want to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry?

Because in the BIG Picture…

Jesus’ execution was to be a VERY Public Memorable “EVENT”….rather than some back alley secretive murder at the hands of a few.
 
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Why did Jesus sometimes want to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry?

Because in the BIG Picture…

Jesus’ execution was to be a VERY Public Memorable “EVENT”….rather than some back alley secretive murder at the hands of a few.
Sorry that I am slow. So why did Jesus sometimes want to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry??

This is the 2nd time I have asked.
 

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Sorry that I am slow. So why did Jesus sometimes want to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry??

This is the 2nd time I have asked.

I think it is well known, Jesus was not favored by Jews he was out and walking among them, so much so, they wanted to kill Him.

That is the 2nd and last time I will answer you.
 
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I think it is well known, Jesus was not favored by Jews he was out and walking among them, so much so, they wanted to kill Him.

That is the 2nd and last time I will answer you.
We are not communicating. You are not making sense to me.

Conclusion: Jesus sometimes wanted to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry.

Can you specify the premises for the above conclusion?

That's the issue of this OP, in case you didn't know.

This is the 3rd time I have asked. You have trouble thinking logically. I prefer to communicate with people who are able to perform analysis logically in their heads.
 

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Matthew 13:11
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
 
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We are not communicating. You are not making sense to me.

Conclusion: Jesus sometimes wanted to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry.

Can you specify the premises for the above conclusion?

That's the issue of this OP, in case you didn't know.

This is the 3rd time I have asked. You have trouble thinking logically. I prefer to communicate with people who are able to perform analysis logically in their heads.

Good grief …. the answer was given you.
BECAUSE MEN WANTED TO KILL Him!
Your lack of knowledge of Scripture reveals your inability to UNDERSTAND the Answer!

* Jesus was a Jew.
* Jesus came to Earth to preach to the Jews.
* Jews and Gentiles lived amongst themselves.
* Gentiles had no quarrel with Jesus.
* Jesus Preached among small groups of Jews.
* Jews in the small groups were divided; (some believing Jesus, some not)
* Some Jews found Jesus blasphemous against God and their Religious Jewish Law.
* ^ Those Jews, wanted Jesus Killed, for their claim of blasphemy.
* Jews had no legally authority to kill Jesus.
* Gentiles and Gentiles Laws ruled the Political Authority.
* Gentile Authorities Found no wrong doing by Jesus.
* Jews Against Jesus attempted to catch Jesus off-guard and Stone Him to Death.
* Jesus would duck away into a crowd to KEEP FROM BEING STONED TO DEATH!
* WHY? DIDN’T Jesus come to Earth to GIVE His BODY UNTO DEATH?
* YES…
**AFTER He had ACCOMPLISHED ALL He was SENT TO DO.
** WHEN He was PREPARED TO “GIVE” His BODY unto DEATH, VERY PUBLICLY.
** NOT when a small group of Jews wanted to “TAKE” His LIFE IN SECRECY.

So why, why, why….tell me, tell me, tell me…
Did

Jesus sometimes wanted to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry.

Why ask questions you are obviously ILL Prepared in Scriptural Knowledge to Comprehend the answer?
 

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BECAUSE MEN WANTED TO KILL Him!
Why did Jesus sometimes want to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry?

This is the 4th time I have asked you. Please note the bold. In addition to logical thinking, you also have a problem with precision. I prefer to interact with people who can think with mathematical precision.

How often do you read the Bible? How was your math?
 
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Conclusion: Jesus sometimes wanted to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry.

Can you specify the premises for the above conclusion?
I've thought a lot about this.

When you say "sometimes" it is a bit misleading. It is more accurate to say that Jesus never publicly revealed his identity. He told 2 people at separate events before he was arrested, the woman at the well and Peter. At his trial, he admitted who he was and this was Jesus' great I am statement. But that was not a public trial.

Now for the why. It's too big a thing to say publicly for people to handle. Imagine me telling you that the Second Coming of Christ has happened and he is sitting in my living room right now. People would expect life altering things to immediately happen at his arrival. But that was not his plan in his first incarnation.


High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One?
Jesus: I am.
Mark 14:61-62 (VOICE)
 

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Mark 1:


The demons knew Jesus' true identity as the Son of God. At this point, Jesus didn't want to be too vocal about it. Further, Jesus didn't even want people to be too vocal about him either.


Jesus didn't want too much publicity.


Jesus wanted to have some control over the size of the crowd.

Mark 3:


Mark 5:


P1 overdid it. He couldn't contain himself. Too much publicity as far as Jesus was concerned.


Jesus raised her from death to life.


Mark 7:


Again, too much publicity too soon.

On the one hand, Jesus had to demonstrate by miracles/signs that he was the Son of God. On the other, he didn't want the publicity to get out of hand, so he had some control over the crowd size.

There a few reasons why He had to keep His true identity a secret because if He told anyone but His Apostles it would disrupt or put an end to His ministry….as it did in the end.

Background….
A big misunderstanding with Christians is that the Jews were looking for a God as a Messiah. The Jews were looking for a human Messiah. Actually a human warlord king. That was their understanding of the prophecies ….then and today. This why they were looking at Jewish military leaders as possible Messiahs during the Maccabean revolts and Roman siege of Jerusalem. They believed that the human warlord would be king and Messiah and would free them from their oppressors and place them in power and establish His kingdom and rule the world and the Mosaic Law would be the Law of the land.

1. Keeping His identify as the Son of God and a God a secret….because Christ wanted to convert the Jews and someone saying they were the Son of God or a God was one of the worst sacrileges in Judaism….calling for immediate execution.

2. Keeping His identify as a king a secret because the Romans would immediately challenge and kill anyone proclaiming themselves as king.

3. Like I said the Jews were looking for a warlord but what they got was the Lord….One of the reasons that they rejected Christ.

4. Telling people to keep His miracles a secret because the Jews would accuse Him of being a demon or a sorcerer….as they ultimately did.

Matthew 26
63 The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.” 64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” 65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. 66 What do you think?”

“He is worthy of death,” they answered.

Luke 23:3

So Pilate asked Him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?” And He answered him and said, “It is as you say.”

John 19:19
Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: jesus of nazareth, the king of the jews.
 
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Did God choose all who will be saved? Of course!
 

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11 whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.” 12And he strictly ordered them not to make him known

Whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.” Makes me think of His question to Peter as well, and what He tells them.
Luke 9:18-22 Now it happened that as he was praying alone, the disciples were with him. And he asked them, "Who do the crowds say that I am?" [19] And they answered, "John the Baptist. But others say, Elijah, and others, that one of the prophets of old has risen." [20] Then he said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" And Peter answered, "The Christ of God." [21] And he strictly charged and commanded them to tell this to no one, [22] saying, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised."

Isn’t this the why of “tell this to no one”? For The Son of Man must suffer many things …be killed…and on the third day be raised?
 

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whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.” 12And he strictly ordered them not to make him known
The bigger question for me is how they cried “You are the Son of God.”
Matthew 16:16-21 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar–jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. [18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. [20] Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. [21] From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

It makes me think of …I can’t find the passage now where the unclean spirits or demons ask Him “what do you have to do with us? Our time is not yet” or something like that.
 

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We are not communicating. You are not making sense to me.

Conclusion: Jesus sometimes wanted to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry.

Can you specify the premises for the above conclusion?

That's the issue of this OP, in case you didn't know.

This is the 3rd time I have asked. You have trouble thinking logically. I prefer to communicate with people who are able to perform analysis logically in their heads.

Oh, bravo brother! You really told him, huh?!

You asked a fair question and he did answer! Could you not comprehend what he said?! Geez ow man do you have a topic or just want to argue here?

You started a topic. Now let people answer! If you dont jump on everybody with your bullcrap it could be an enlightening thread. I'd answer the question myself but you're on a roll and 'spect my answer would go WHOOSH over your head too so you'd attack me too. So I wont.
 

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Why did Jesus sometimes want to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry?

Because in the BIG Picture…

Jesus’ execution was to be a VERY Public Memorable “EVENT”….rather than some back alley secretive murder at the hands of a few.
bingo
 
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Why did Jesus sometimes want to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry?

This is the 4th time I have asked you. Please note the bold. In addition to logical thinking, you also have a problem with precision. I prefer to interact with people who can think with mathematical precision.

How often do you read the Bible? How was your math?

Do you see what you are doing? You've basically just said, this spiritual conversation can not be discussed except carnally and arrogantly...

Your being a Carnal Christian. These people are your Brothers & Sisters, why do act so contemptuous to them? What you want to show off how smart you are?!

I bet your a college boy, huh? Got a minor degree in something and think your the shiztit! WHy ask the question if your going to be an ass about it? Lol!

I bet my ol unedumacated hillbilly self dont communicate with you either! You dont comprehend what people say. That's that college coming out in you and Not fruits of the Spirit! You need an attitude adjustment.
 

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Why did Jesus sometimes want to keep his true identity secret during his public ministry?

This is the 4th time I have asked you. Please note the bold. In addition to logical thinking, you also have a problem with precision. I prefer to interact with people who can think with mathematical precision.

How often do you read the Bible? How was your math?
Is this good enough for you ?

With evil spirits, Jesus’s commands to “be silent” and “not to make him known” (Mark 1:24; 1:34; 3:12) come on the heels of the spirits’ crying that he’s the “Holy One of God” (1:24) or “Son of God” (3:11). Jesus forbids them from speaking, then, “because they knew him” (1:34). Apparently as supernatural beings they have insight into who Jesus really is: the divine one from God. At this stage Jesus either didn’t yet want that message to be made known, or he didn’t want demons to be the ones revealing it—or perhaps both.

With the various recipients of miracles and/or crowds whom Jesus commands to “say nothing to anyone” (Mark 1:43) or “to tell no one” (7:36), the secrecy motif functions somewhat differently. As soon as Jesus appears on the scene, word starts spreading like wildfire about his teaching and miracles. With this comes all kinds of theories about who he is, including “Elijah . . . [or] one of the prophets from old” (6:15), a resurrected John the Baptist (6:14; 8:28), and/or a Davidic king who will reestablish Jerusalem’s monarchy (11:10).

Thus, on the heels of various miracles, it seems Jesus commands silence with two objectives. First, he may be attempting to prolong his ability to travel due to ever-growing crowds (e.g. Mark 6:53–56). Indeed, regularly in Mark we see how Jesus seeks solitude but is thwarted by crowds—“he could not be hidden” (7:24). Second, he may have been mitigating the spread of (mis)information about him, to avoid raising the suspicions of his opponents (e.g., 6:14), and prevent things from spiraling out of hand before the right time. Ironically, however, “the more he charged them, the more zealously they proclaimed it” (7:36)!

In other words, for outsiders the secrecy motif relates to concealing who Jesus is—and isn’t—until the proper time has arrived for his true revealing.

With Jesus’s disciples the commands to silence take a different shape. The first instance comes after Peter proclaims Jesus to be “the Christ” (Mark 8:29)—at which Jesus “charged them to tell no one about him” (8:30). The second comes after the transfiguration scene (9:2–8)—at which Jesus “charged them to tell no one what they had seen” until after his resurrection (9:9). Both scenes feature a pivotal revelation of Jesus’s identity: “Christ” (8:29, spoken by Peter) and “my beloved Son” (9:7, spoken by the Father).

Why the command to silence?

At this stage in Jesus’s ministry, he has begun to speak “plainly” (Mark 8:32) to his disciples so that they might understand “what was to happen to him” (10:32). Three times Jesus makes clear that his messianic mission—contrary to popular opinion—will entail rejection, death, and resurrection (8:31; 9:31; 10:33–34). Yes, he’s a miracle worker, and the “Christ,” and the “Son of God.” But the big “reveal” is that he came to die for sin.

The problem: the disciples simply don’t get it. Peter rebukes Jesus, resulting in a counter-rebuke (Mark 8:32–33); “they did not understand the saying” (9:32); and James and John squabble about future privilege (10:35–41). Indeed, throughout Mark the disciples prove slow-minded and hard-hearted (4:13; 6:52; 8:17; 9:19).

Thus, Jesus commands them to be silent because they—despite his plain self-revealing—still struggle with incomprehension. For insiders, the secrecy motif highlights not how Jesus keeps his identity a secret, but rather how they have failed to grasp what he has revealed to them. It’s not Jesus who is concealing truth, but their own hearts.

This makes Mark 16:8 all the more fitting: even after his resurrection, the female disciples “said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.” Mark’s story ends with silence.

In sum, Jesus’s commands to silence seem aimed at controlling the spread of information about Jesus as well as its timing: he is the Messiah and divine Son, but that is only fully revealed at his death and resurrection. Until then, the misunderstandings result in shrieking demons, spiraling crowds, and obtuse statements by the disciples.

But what about us as readers of Mark’s Gospel? We know from the outset that Jesus is “Christ” as well as “Son of God” (Mark 1:1). And we know how the story ends.

Yet we, too, struggle with incomprehension. We, like the crowds, may be attracted to the wonder-working Jesus and ignore his call to suffer. We, like the disciples, may want a “Christ” of our own design but not the dying one on the cross. We, too, may feel the inward pinch to “say nothing to anyone” about the Son of God.

Let the secrecy motif of Mark, then, remind us that the secret is no more. We stand downstream of the full revealing of Jesus. Nothing is concealed.TGC

hope this helps !!!
 

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Sorry, I don't have time for this kind of childishness. Logically, you need to grow up.

Is that what your attitude is all about? You're at that age where you know everything, and are foaming at the mouth to prove that you are a grown up....

I remember that age boi. Now I'm twich that age and I look at your posts and wonder, did I sound that stupid then? You are no grown up. I am no grown up. We are eternal beings and are, what 30 years old or so. From Gods eternal perspective (1 day = 1000 earth years) then you aint even an hour and a half old yet! I'm less than 2 hours old.

But your a grown up and very logicall and rational and documented and super smart so will ask a 5th time for the only answer that agrees with yours. Brother, in another 30 years you will look back and say dang what an idiot I was!
 

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Sorry, I don't have time for this kind of childishness. Logically, you need to grow up.

I noticed what you have no understanding thereof…

Matt 18:[3}
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

As you attempt to use mindful LOGIC, regarding Spiritual things…Scripture teaches to rely on truth in heart, with a child’s pure heart as the example…

Probably too deep for you, but may be something of valuable consideration for others.

Glory to God,
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