Why its important to keep the Sabbath

[David in NJ]

Indeed Jesus offers rest to all who come to Him in faith. But what you have done is turned it into a religion all on its own, and in doing so you avoid actual obedience and surrender to His higher authority. You have made up your own form of dedication much like Cain, and you are now doing to the faithful what he did to Abel. It is called presumption. Your authority is now what you live by, and God's authority and law you have set aside.
The time is coming when mankind will be forbidden to honour the Sabbath and it will be legally and legislatively outlawed in favour of Sunday. Then you and others here will find solace in that you will feel justified in your persecutions against those who choose to spend the whole day with their Creator on the day He sanctified and made holy. You will soon need to decide on whose side you are on. You will now mock and malign this post, but you will remember it.
KJV Revelation 13:15-18
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

(Remember COVID? The scenario in Revelation is to be a global issue, and governments the world over will be calling on their citizens to openly and with intent, 'out' their family members, neighbours, friends, and associates who refuse to surrender to the man made doctrines of Babylon. Jesus warned this would happen. "Ye shall be hated of all nations for My name's sake". 'Your greatest enemies will be those in your own household". "The time is coming when those that kill you will think they are doing God a favour". During COVID, this attitude was fostered throughout the world. Tell us if your neighbour is having a party. Not jabbed. Not social distancing. Not wearing a mask. Etc. How many people rebuked you for not wearing a mask, or risking killing grandma? This proves the world is ready to be manipulated into being a global vehicle for an end time inquisition in which everyone will be called upon to execute).

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

(I perceive so much hatred against the Sabbath in these threads, I can easily imagine many here reporting to the authorities those neighbours who are trying to survive without an income, unable to buy or sell etc. You claim you have no preference for Sunday. "It's just another day". I wonder if your church is supporting PROJECT 2025? See below... Just the beginning.. )

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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But what you have done is turned it into a religion all on its own, and in doing so you avoid actual obedience and surrender to His higher authority

SDA is your religion and has added saturday sabbath to the Finished work of Christ.

Your rest is man-made religion.

"seeking to establish your own righteousness, you have not submitted to the Righteousness of God in Christ."

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”

 

[Randy Kluth]

It is Legalism to promote rules under a covenant that is no longer in effect. It is also Legalism to promote rules under a presently-valid covenant that is being misapplied.

The old covenant of Mosaic Law is an outdated covenant--it has expired. It expired, like any other covenant would, if the conditions were not properly met.

Israel failed on several occasions to meet the conditions of their covenant. And though God renewed the covenant through mercy, He chose not to renew it when it failed in the time of Christ. His kind of "renewal" at that time would be "Christian renewal," or "Salvation."

Promoting Sabbath Law, a requirement under the Law of Moses, is Legalism. This is a covenant no longer in service, and promoting rules *under that particular covenant* is not valid.

One may promote the same rule under a different covenant and be okay, assuming that God sanctioned it. But one cannot promote that rule *under the covenant of Moses,* since that covenant has expired.

Those who say so are into the realm of heresy. We are saved exclusively by the works and covenant of Christ.

It bears noting what the purpose of the rule was under the covenant of Moses. Sabbath Law was given to train Israel to work when God was working, and to cease working when God was not working. It was equally wrong to work in any other situation, and not just in the matter of keeping the Sabbath Day rule if God was not Himself working.

And so, the priesthood had to perform every duty in accordance with God's commands, operating in God's Spirit according to His Word.

It is the same truth. We work as God works. We don't work if God is not working that way.

In the NT covenant of Christ we have the same basic principle, even if the rule itself is no longer necessary. Since there is no temple ritual and religious calendar, the "religious Sabbath Week" is no longer in play. What remains in play is our need to operate when God is operating, and to not do things if that isn't the way God is doing things.

To promote even Christian traditions and moral rules in a way inconsonant with God is equally Legalism as anything like it was under the Law. When we seek to correct people, it must be done "in love," and not with hatred, which would be inconsonant with God's Spirit. If we promote Easter or Communion or Sunday worship, it is wrong if our purpose corrupts God's purposes. Just sayin'...

 

[David in NJ]

It is Legalism to promote rules under a covenant that is no longer in effect. It is also Legalism to promote rules under a presently-valid covenant that is being misapplied.

The old covenant of Mosaic Law is an outdated covenant--it has expired. It expired, like any other covenant would, if the conditions were not properly met.

Israel failed on several occasions to meet the conditions of their covenant. And though God renewed the covenant through mercy, He chose not to renew it when it failed in the time of Christ. His kind of "renewal" at that time would be "Christian renewal," or "Salvation."

Promoting Sabbath Law, a requirement under the Law of Moses, is Legalism. This is a covenant no longer in service, and promoting rules *under that particular covenant* is not valid.

One may promote the same rule under a different covenant and be okay, assuming that God sanctioned it. But one cannot promote that rule *under the covenant of Moses,* since that covenant has expired.

Those who say so are into the realm of heresy. We are saved exclusively by the works and covenant of Christ.

It bears noting what the purpose of the rule was under the covenant of Moses. Sabbath Law was given to train Israel to work when God was working, and to cease working when God was not working. It was equally wrong to work in any other situation, and not just in the matter of keeping the Sabbath Day rule if God was not Himself working.

And so, the priesthood had to perform every duty in accordance with God's commands, operating in God's Spirit according to His Word.

It is the same truth. We work as God works. We don't work if God is not working that way.

In the NT covenant of Christ we have the same basic principle, even if the rule itself is no longer necessary. Since there is no temple ritual and religious calendar, the "religious Sabbath Week" is no longer in play. What remains in play is our need to operate when God is operating, and to not do things if that isn't the way God is doing things.

To promote even Christian traditions and moral rules in a way inconsonant with God is equally Legalism as anything like it was under the Law. When we seek to correct people, it must be done "in love," and not with hatred, which would be inconsonant with God's Spirit. If we promote Easter or Communion or Sunday worship, it is wrong if our purpose corrupts God's purposes. Just sayin'...

@Phoneman777 @Brakelite @BarneyFife @BlessedPeace

 

[BlessedPeace]

@Phoneman777 @Brakelite @BarneyFife @BlessedPeace

Well, if Randy says so.....


Meanwhile, I'll choose not to ignore the fact Sabbath pre-existed Sinai.

 

[Brakelite]

Well, if Randy says so.....


Meanwhile, I'll choose not to ignore the fact Sabbath pre-existed Sinai.

And will continue in the new earth.

 

[Ziggy]

There was no day called Sabbath before Moses.
Moses gave the day a name. No different than Adam naming his help meet Woman.
And named all the animals.
Man didn't have God's day to rest in until he gave it to Israel, even though it had been created from the beginning.
And when God gave it, then Moses named it, and it bacame part of Man's kingdom to rule over it.
And God told Moses to keep this day the same way God kept his day.
But man didn't keep it.
God's day is still holy, while man's day is polluted because he put his hand upon it and made it into something to serve them, instead of them serving others.

God created the seventh day for us to rest with him. Man created the Sabbath for themselves to rest in.
Mirror/mirror.

After the pattern but not the true.

Hugs

 

[David in NJ]

Well, if Randy says so.....


Meanwhile, I'll choose not to ignore the fact Sabbath pre-existed Sinai.

The WORD that became Flesh preexisted Sinai, preexisted Genesis and preexisted Existence.

I choose to Believe the Preexisted Word that says: "Come to ME and I will give you REST"

 

[Randy Kluth]

Well, if Randy says so.....


Meanwhile, I'll choose not to ignore the fact Sabbath pre-existed Sinai.

The only authority here of much worth is God's Word, and that's what we're discussing--not whose point of view counts more. If your argument is that Sabbath Law is required before Sinai/Moses, then you will have to produce a code that says that and still requires that today.

But you won't find it. If you want to observe it, that's up to you. Just don't ask others to do so when there is no requirement, as such. The only requirement I know of comes from the expired Law of Moses, which incidentally, never applied to Gentiles living outside of Israel.

 

[BlessedPeace]

The only authority here of much worth is God's Word, and that's what we're discussing--not whose point of view counts more. If your argument is that Sabbath Law is required before Sinai, then you will have to produce a code that says that and still requires that today. But you won't find it. If you want to observe it, that's up to you. Just don't ask others to do so when there is no requirement, as such. The only requirement I know of comes from the expired Law of Moses, which incidentally, never applied to Gentiles living outside of Israel.

Uh huh.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Meanwhile, I'll choose not to ignore the fact Sabbath pre-existed Sinai.

And choose to not pay attention to the work Jesus did on the Cross which blows all the OT stuff out of the water!

I choose to Believe the Preexisted Word that says: "Come to ME and I will give you REST"

 

[BlessedPeace]

The WORD that became Flesh preexisted Sinai, preexisted Genesis and preexisted Existence.

I choose to Believe the Preexisted Word that says: "Come to ME and I will give you REST"

You mean that word that made the Sabbath for us?
Not us,(as in law keepers),for the Sabbath. (Law to be kept)

I like the new phrase, expired law of Moses.
Respect your parents.
Sorry,expired.

Don't commit adulterery.
Oops,expired.

Don't steal.
Ditto.

Poor old Jesus there in the New covenantal testimony reiterating expired moral rules.

Someone should have told him.


And not have left out how wrong he was in saying there are no Jews or Gentiles, Greeks,etc... 'cause we're all one in him.


And those Apostles!
Keeping the Sabbath after Jesus ascended. Expired!

 

[Randy Kluth]

Uh huh.

Really, I don't care what you choose to do. You can hallow Wednesday night if you wish. But it won't mean anything to me, even if it does to you.

My concern on a forum here is not winning arguments, but about winning those with eyes to see who want to serve God in the light of Scriptures. If all you have is a smile, than I feel confident those who are looking for truth will quickly dismiss you.

 

[Randy Kluth]

You mean that word that made the Sabbath for us?
Not us,(as in law keepers),for the Sabbath. (Law to be kept)

Jesus said the Law was to be kept....until he fulfilled it. You forgot to add that part?

I like the new phrase, expired law of Moses.
Respect your parents.
Sorry,expired.

Jesus said to apostate Israel that their house/temple would be demolished, and his connection with them severed until they say, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord." The covenant of Sinai is dead. Hope for Israel is exclusively found in the new covenant, which Jesus served up at the 1st Communion. I guess you missed that?

Don't commit adulterery.
Oops,expired.

Don't steal.
Ditto.

Poor old Jesus there in the New covenantal testimony reiterating expired moral rules.

Someone should have told him.

This is an old false argument that makes a non sequitur argument. The argument goes like this...
1) Moral Law is in the Law of Moses.
2) The Law of Moses expired.
3) Moral Law, therefore, has expired.

Obviously, you make the false assumption that Moral Law is strictly and exclusively available in the Law of Moses. That is clearly untrue. Moral Law preexisted the Law of Moses, and continues long after the Law of Moses died on the cross.

And not have left out how wrong he was in saying there are no Jews or Gentiles, Greeks,etc... 'cause we're all one in him.


And those Apostles!
Keeping the Sabbath after Jesus ascended. Expired!

The Apostles did not observe Sabbath Law as a *law* but rather, as a means of respecting Jewish culture in order to reach the Jews. They would not find an interested ear in Israel if their message aimed to destroy Jewish religion and culture, which is what they would think if they came as Jews bent on defying the Sabbath tradition.

Jesus advocated for the Law of Moses, including Sabbath Law, only as long as the Law was still in play. But he fulfilled all of the Law on the cross, rendering forgiveness contingent on his mercy alone, and having nothing to do with Israel keeping the Law anymore.

If you think keeping the Sabbath Day gets you closer to God, then you have an awfully high view of yourself. God tells you what to do--you don't tell Him what to do. And He has plainly said, "Listen to my Son--not Moses."

Matt 17.5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

 

[BarneyFife]

And choose to not pay attention to the work Jesus did on the Cross which blows all the OT stuff out of the water!

You mean the "blown-out stuff" that testifies of... Jesus?

The "blown-out stuff" that Nicodemus knew that should have clued him in to how to be born again?

The "blown-out stuff" that Christ used to make the Emmaus Road traveler/mourner's hearts burn within them?

The "blown-out stuff" that Paul told King Agrippa was all he used to evangelize?

The "blown-out stuff" that Paul told Timothy was profitable for doctrine, etc., etc.?

That "blown-out stuff?"

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[BlessedPeace]

You mean the "blown-out stuff" that testifies of... Jesus?

The "blown-out stuff" that Nicodemus knew that should have clued him in to how to be born again?

The "blown-out stuff" that Christ used to make the Emmaus Road traveler/mourner's hearts burn within them?

The "blown-out stuff" that Paul told King Agrippa was all he used to evangelize?

The "blown-out stuff" that Paul told Timothy was profitable for doctrine, etc., etc.?

That "blown-out stuff?"

.

Silly,you forgot the stuff in the Old Testament that foretells of Jesus and eternal Salvation,the Gospel,Redemption, and stuff.

 

[Randy Kluth]

You mean the "blown-out stuff" that testifies of... Jesus?

The "blown-out stuff" that Nicodemus knew that should have clued him in to how to be born again?

The "blown-out stuff" that Christ used to make the Emmaus Road traveler/mourner's hearts burn within them?

The "blown-out stuff" that Paul told King Agrippa was all he used to evangelize?

The "blown-out stuff" that Paul told Timothy was profitable for doctrine, etc., etc.?

That "blown-out stuff?"

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I haven't been following your particular conversation, but let me guess--you're promoting the Law of Moses and Sabbath Law? I hope not, but if you are, you're opposing the Apostle Paul.

Rom 2.3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?

You who wish to use the Law to judge those who wish for mercy will find yourself judged as a sinner by that very Law!

Gal 3.2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

The Law testified to the need for mercy. It did not show Israel that they could be justified by keeping the Law. They could only obey God in keeping the Law to express their faith in God's mercy.

Col 2.14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

It was at the cross that every transgression against the Law was forgiven. Jesus not only forgave transgressions against the Law, but he nailed the Law itself to the cross since it could no longer impose sanctions on those who had been freed from its condemnation.

Heb 7.11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

Luke 22.20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Jesus promoted the Law until he fulfilled it at the cross. Redemption was never complete under the Law. It was purely a temporary fix. Final redemption came through Christ. That is why there needed to be a *new* covenant!

Matt 5.17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

This is such a stumbling block to those who wish to justify themselves before God by keeping rules. It appeared that Jesus sanctioned the Law, and certainly he did, since he himself gave it to Israel!

However, it was given with a purpose. And that purpose was to collect a complete testimony of sin in Israel so that he could judge it for the hardened and forgive it for the repentant. He came to fulfill this testimony on the cross, and not to perpetuate a Law that was completely fulfilled there!

The Law, which condemned Man, had to be removed to show that all need for redemption had been satisfied. After all, the Law had been an instrument of redemption, although inadequate, calling for mercy.

When condemnation was removed, all need for a sacrifice of atonement was removed as well. The instrument of temporary redemption, ie the Law, was removed in favor of the instrument of permanent redemption, namely the cross.

 

[BarneyFife]

I haven't been following your particular conversation, but let me guess--you're promoting the Law of Moses and Sabbath Law? I hope not, but if you are, you're opposing the Apostle Paul.

Rom 2.3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?

You who wish to use the Law to judge those who wish for mercy will find yourself judged as a sinner by that very Law!

Gal 3.2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

The Law testified to the need for mercy. It did not show Israel that they could be justified by keeping the Law. They could only obey God in keeping the Law to express their faith in God's mercy.

Col 2.14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.

It was at the cross that every transgression against the Law was forgiven. Jesus not only forgave transgressions against the Law, but he nailed the Law itself to the cross since it could no longer impose sanctions on those who had been freed from its condemnation.

Heb 7.11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

Luke 22.20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Jesus promoted the Law until he fulfilled it at the cross. Redemption was never complete under the Law. It was purely a temporary fix. Final redemption came through Christ. That is why there needed to be a *new* covenant!

Matt 5.17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

This is such a stumbling block to those who wish to justify themselves before God by keeping rules. It appeared that Jesus sanctioned the Law, and certainly he did, since he himself gave it to Israel!

However, it was given with a purpose. And that purpose was to collect a complete testimony of sin in Israel so that he could judge it for the hardened and forgive it for the repentant. He came to fulfill this testimony on the cross, and not to perpetuate a Law that was completely fulfilled there!

The Law, which condemned Man, had to be removed to show that all need for redemption had been satisfied. After all, the Law had been an instrument of redemption, although inadequate, calling for mercy.

When condemnation was removed, all need for a sacrifice of atonement was removed as well. The instrument of temporary redemption, ie the Law, was removed in favor of the instrument of permanent redemption, namely the cross.

We've been over it before, and you quit.

And I was a Christian long before folks started calling the Ten Commandments part of "the law of Moses" on the Internet, so the schtick won't work on me.

Sorry

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[Randy Kluth]

We've been over it before, and you quit.

And I was a Christian long before folks started calling the Ten Commandments part of "the law of Moses" on the Internet, so the schtick won't work on me.

Sorry

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I quit? I don't recall--I've had so many conversations!

One thing I'm sure of. As long as I see questions being asked, I try to answer them. If circumstances get in the way, and they do, sometimes conversations can get lost.

It isn't a "schtick," however, to say that the 10 Commandments were a subset of the 613 or so requirements of the Law. That is a fact. The Pentateuch is basically a record of the Law, with the story of Creation and the history of the Patriarchs thrown in.

So whether or not it works for you, it is a fact that the Law of Moses included the 10 Commandments. If you believe the world is flat, then yes--our conversation is over.

 

[BarneyFife]

I quit? I don't recall--I've had so many conversations!

One thing I'm sure of. As long as I see questions being asked, I try to answer them. If circumstances get in the way, and they do, sometimes conversations can get lost.

It isn't a "schtick," however, to say that the 10 Commandments were a subset of the 613 or so requirements of the Law. That is a fact. The Pentateuch is basically a record of the Law, with the story of Creation and the history of the Patriarchs thrown in.

So whether or not it works for you, it is a fact that the Law of Moses included the 10 Commandments. If you believe the world is flat, then yes--our conversation is over.

Flat earth—that's very clever.

But you didn't answer the questions at all. Also, they were rhetorical, and addressed to a pro scoffer, a category into which you wouldn't nicely fit, as I recall..

So exactly how long have you personally believed what you're claiming here?

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[BlessedPeace]

We've been over it before, and you quit.

And I was a Christian long before folks started calling the Ten Commandments part of "the law of Moses" on the Internet, so the schtick won't work on me.

Sorry

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Do you know what's been overlooked by that side that claims God's laws are expired,no longer have authority,etc...

Sin!

Sin, is lawlessness.