Still have to hear it and then a person decide whether or not they desire the promises of God or not in their life…
CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity
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Brightfame, I agree with you that being born again is a wonderful gift for anyone to receive in this life. It is a wonderful thing, for any person believer or not a believer, to sit and read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Ephesians, Colossians, Galatians, Revelation. Invite someone else who may be curious and go along together, and perhaps they will believe in the good news, that Jesus came, died, was buried, and risen again on the third day by the Holy Spirit of Yahava, who is a life giving spirit and fire that helps within our lifes, and also the spirit of Christ that dwells with-in us, and that also Yahavah by his Spirit resides also within ones heart to choose to do Gods will, and have agape love for all people in bad circumstances and good circumstances, like Israel back in the Old Testament. Praise be to the Lord Yeshua/Jesus whom was the anointed one whom would take away all the sins of the world, on behalf of Yahava, his Father, and our Father, and on behalf all of the whole world, which is everyone whom continues to be born today! Praise be, my friend.
It was around 2016, when I realized my heart was bad, I start looking for Jesus who could heal and my heart took a long time to turn around for better and not so much for evil.
It was around 2016, when I realized my heart was bad, I start looking for Jesus who could heal and my heart took a long time to turn around for better and not so much for evil.
One cant spiritually hear the word of God until they born again. And the things you say here isnt the Gospel anyway friend
That is true, we must be “ Born Of The Spirit “ / Born Again, which is a supernatural act that only God can do, the Holy Spirit is the one who testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, as he indwells our spirit, it’s our spirit that needs to be Born Again...
We need to hear the gospel, but, then there is being Born Of The Spirit, that’s the part that only God can do...only then can we truly start to understand God’s word, as it’s the Holy Spirit who witnesses Gods truth to us ....no one can understand God’s word without the Holy Spirit.
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
That is great news that Jesus came to be a perfect Lamb who was slain so that we can be reconciled back to God through his death and resurrection....that is good news indeed, but, we must also be Born Of The Spirit/ Born Again....that is a supernatural act of God....for those “ HE” chooses to become Born Of The Spirit....you don’t choose to be “ Born Again “....there is no scripture to support that we choose God to make us Born Again....imo/ belief.
For who did He die ? And what did it accomplish ? What does His Resurrection signify ?
1stCenturyLady
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Unless God is speaking to them directly. Jesus is coming to many Muslims and showing Himself to them, not just hearing Him, but seeing Him.
Cant spiritually hear the Gospel and understand it spiritually unless born again.
Still doesn’t discredit what Paul says is the good news, people become changed in the heart who believe. Some may not believe yet.
”Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: and that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: after that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.“
1 Corinthians 15:1-11 KJV
@brightfame52 gotta hear it and choose whether or not to believe.
Some stand on the foundation of Christ building there, and some do not. Choice is always a given.
Some people say God created people full well he is gonna put them in a place of hell and only save some, people can believe in that God if they choose to but I disagree with their statement, and I don’t believe God elects people today; but he calls all people.
1 Corinthians 15:1-11 KJV
1 Corinthians 15:1-11 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto yo | King James Version (KJV)
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto yo
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@brightfame52 gotta hear it and choose whether or not to believe.
Some stand on the foundation of Christ building there, and some do not. Choice is always a given.
Some people say God created people full well he is gonna put them in a place of hell and only save some, people can believe in that God if they choose to but I disagree with their statement, and I don’t believe God elects people today; but he calls all people.
Commentary.
What did Jesus mean by you must be born again?
He says that we need the Holy Spirit to give birth to a new spiritual life within us. In fact, the phrase “born again” more literally means “born from above.” Just as your mother gave physical birth to you, if you want to have eternal life, you need the Holy Spirit to give you a spiritual birth.
“Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”
King James Version (KJV)
What did Jesus mean by you must be born again?
He says that we need the Holy Spirit to give birth to a new spiritual life within us. In fact, the phrase “born again” more literally means “born from above.” Just as your mother gave physical birth to you, if you want to have eternal life, you need the Holy Spirit to give you a spiritual birth.
John 3:7
“Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”
King James Version (KJV)
Paul said more than that, he would have explained things. You cant do it i see
Behold
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Nonsense.
Faith comes BY Hearing, and then the person decides.
I can take anyone into a room and MAKE THEM HEAR THE GOSPEL.
What i can't do is make them believe it. But i can make them hear it.
I can go on any secular Forum , join it, and Post a Thread that explains that Jesus died for their Sin on The Cross.
When they read it, they have Heard it, and they are not born again yet.
BUT, if they hear it and put FAITH in the message,... if they BELIEVE The Gospel...... then God accepts their faith in Christ, and gives them the New Birth. (Born again).
"Faith is counted as Righteousness" and we are 'Justified BY FAITH".
You exalting the flesh. Is a innocents of a babie more innocent than Christ and His Righteousness, and Purity ?
Faith does come by hearing, but hearing ability comes by regeneration.
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