What will happen to Christians who reject the Sabbath?

[Hobie]

Moral laws that are found in both the old and new covenants: prohibitions against murder, theft, adultery, and bearing false witness. Keeping sexually pure, honoring our parents, not following other gods, etc. Jesus really only gave one commandment: to love one another. Moral laws, like natural laws, come from God; they govern humanity.

Are you advocating for strict observance of the Sabbath?

No, the Ten Commandments are the Moral Laws, and you forget that when Jesus said to love one another, He also said the first part was to love God. When we see the Law, then look at Jesus, we see Him fulfilling the letter and the spirit of the Law, by Loving God and His neighbor according to the the Commandments which are the two principle's they break down to.
Matthew 22:36-40
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

When you love God, you do what He asks, of which the first four of the ten are all about, including to 'Remember the Sabbath'. The second part of the six commandments go over how to love your neighbor or one another. So Jesus is giving the essence of the Ten Commandments in these principles..

 

[Scott Downey]

We need to be straightforward when it comes to Gods truth and not rebel against it, as we see what Samuel said to King Saul...

1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Well now Hobie, just who is rebelling? You? Your church?

Ephesians 2​

Brought Near by His Blood​

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Christ Our Peace​

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Christ Our Cornerstone​

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

God's Church which is in Christ is not built on the Law of Moses or the 10 commandments given in the Law of Moses
The Sabbath day of rest abolished as this was a dividing commandment between Jew and Gentile, being part of their old covenant between Jews and God.

That includes ALL of the Law contained in commandments according to the law given through Moses, not just the sabbath,
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Therefore, any church's doctrines that teaches contrary to Christ such as only sabbath keeping believers are saved and the rest take the mark of the beast for Sunday worship is anathema, CURSED, as it is a different gospel.

One new man made from Gentile and Jew

having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.


Romans 10:9 CLEARLY teaches us salvation is not in obeying the sabbath commandment, but in only found in Christ Jesus
"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.


Romans 10 fully exposes that being right with God is not found keeping the commandments of the Law of Moses found in the Old Covenant.

1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for [a]Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Romans 10:9 CLEARLY teaches us salvation is not in obeying the sabbath commandment, but in only found in Christ Jesus
"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Romans 10 fully exposes that being right with God is not found keeping the commandments of the Law of Moses found in the Old Covenant.

 

[Scott Downey]

John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Romans 10:9 CLEARLY teaches us salvation is not in obeying the sabbath commandment, but in only found in Christ Jesus

"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

1 Corinthians 3
9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone [b]defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

 

[Scott Downey]

When you are in Christ Jesus, everyday becomes the Sabbath

Yes scripturally true that those who believe enter into God's rest permanently as they cease from their own labors-works as God did from His. And all Gods works, God finished them all when He finished the creation.
And v8 says this rest is a different day from the sabbath day, verse 6 says it is TODAY, as in everyday is TODAY.

Hebrews 4
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, [a]not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if [b]Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

 

[Hobie]

There will come a time when time no longer exists.
There will be no days or nights or weeks or years.
All these things are temporary.
Only Jesus is forever.
Jesus is our Sabbath. He is where we find peace and release from our burdens. He is where we no longer have to work to earn our wages.
He is that door we enter into to find rest.

Mat 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Gen 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The Sabbath isn't so much about a day, as it is a place we enter into. And Jesus is that place.

Heb 3:18
And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19
So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

There are some that say this day is the right way, or that day is the right way...
But I believe there is only One Way.

Hugs

And yet God says the Sabbath will continue in His Kingdom in the New Jerusalem, so if one is there with Christ, the day made for man, will also be there for us to come and worship as He intended from Creation and be blessed.

 

[Ziggy]

And yet God says the Sabbath will continue in His Kingdom in the New Jerusalem, so if one is there with Christ, the day made for man, will also be there for us to come and worship as He intended from Creation and be blessed.

So there is God's seventh day which he set aside for himself to rest in after he was done creating everything.
Everything was finished, complete.
God made Adam's Kingdom perfect. All he had to do was listen to God's voice.

But Adam chose to listen to his wife's voice instead.
Now that which had been perfected became flawed.

The only way man can enter into God's seventh day is by invitation only. And Jesus is the one handing out those invitations.
He is the door keeper.

Whatever man creates for himself through the works of his own hands is not perfect it is flawed.
So the Sabbath which man created for himself is not the same as the seventh day God set aside for himself.
One is earthy/carnal and the other is spiritual, in which no flesh and blood may enter into.
Only the Spirit which God gives man may enter in. Which is his own spirit in us.
And the key to that door is by faith, not by law.

Where in Genesis does it say that God created the seventh day for man?
Does it not rather say that God created the seventh day for himself to rest in?
Where is man mentioned?
No, Man duplicated the seventh day so he could be as God entering into his own rest which his own hands had made.

Ready... Aim... Fire!
LOL
Hugs

 

[Hobie]

Virtually 99 to 100% of the arguments objecting to the literal keeping of all ten of the commandments simply didn't exist 50 years ago.

I've asked many times for a reference to something published or preached pre-1980 and I've gotten no response at all.

No one ever worried about being judged for Sabbath-breaking because because everyone knew that Colossians 2 and other Pauline texts about days referred to ceremonial law. Even Billy Graham said so. They either saw themselves as commandment-keepers or they didn't.

The arguments among Christians were always about whether to observe Saturday or Sunday.

I often think that many of the older folks who argue against the literal keeping of the 4th commandment must not have been devout until recently because the anti-Sabbath echo chamber on the Internet has its roots entirely in post-modernism and political correctness, i.e., deconstructionism; "don't judge me!" (And the world scoffs at Christian ambiguity and inconsistency while neo-Christianity mimicks them.)

I've never been intimidated whatsoever by what people on social media call "judging." Judgment that can only object to what I do or don't do with a keyboard is completely toothless.

I'm certain that what Paul was talking about in Colossians 2 pertained to being careful not to let what other people say dictate to their own conscience with regard to belief and practice. It is not addressed to the "judge." That is found elsewhere in Scripture. The sharpest criticisms of Sabbath-defending in the NT came from Christ Himself about HOW—not WHETHER.

But in Col 2, "judging" is tied to a form of the word "Sabbath," so people who have no tradition of Sabbath-keeping find it useful for making a case that those who REMIND others about the commandment that begins with the word "REMEMBER" should keep still.

Paul also says in Romans 10: "How shall they hear without a preacher?"

People who kill, steal, idolize, and lie say "don't judge me" when the evangelist comes to town.

Should the evangelist be accosted with the counsel that every man must "be convinced in his own mind" about these things with no influence of his mouth?

It's no fun telling people things they don't want to hear, but I'd rather do so than be found guilty of withholding the blessings that Christ wants His children to have in the Sabbath. I really don't think He's anxious to cramp anyone's style:

Isa 58:13-14

If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour Him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Youtube - "The Biology Of The Sabbath"

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The devil knows his time is short and we are seeing the results..

 

[Hobie]

Moral laws that are found in both the old and new covenants: prohibitions against murder, theft, adultery, and bearing false witness. Keeping sexually pure, honoring our parents, not following other gods, etc. Jesus really only gave one commandment: to love one another. Moral laws, like natural laws, come from God; they govern humanity.

Are you advocating for strict observance of the Sabbath?

And what happened to love God with all your heart and mind. Is it because that would mean we would have to do as He asks for those that love Him...

 

[BarneyFife]

Are you advocating for strict observance of the Sabbath?

Would it be unreasonable to advocate for the kind of 4th commandment observance that might be comparable to Christ's instruction in the Sermon On The Mount regarding the 6th and the 7th?

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[amigo de christo]

Would it be unreasonable to advocate for the kind of 4th commandment observance that might be comparable to Christ's instruction in the Sermon On The Mount regarding the 6th and the 7th?

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what bothers me is not what one does about meats drinks and days
its when they hold to a day and yet seem to have little to no problem with RAINBOW INCLUSIVITY .
Lets ponder on that for a while shall we .

 

[BarneyFife]

what bothers me is not what one does about meats drinks and days
its when they hold to a day and yet seem to have little to no problem with RAINBOW INCLUSIVITY .
Lets ponder on that for a while shall we .

Yes, let's do so, by all means.

How could anyone make such a an incredibly ignorant remark?

Because the hatred they've cultivated and/or beheld too long for the Sabbath and an obsession with anti-ecumenism has blinded them—that's why.

So, by "RAINBOW INCLUSIVITY" in the Seventh-day Adventist church, do you mean THIS KIND—from the official worldwide church YouTube channel, addressed for an hour by the President's right-hand man?:

...with which I started a new thread, in which you participated positively:

IT'S TIME TO SPEAK UP

Elder Mark Finley, assistant to the President of the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, a global fellowship of 22 million Christian believers, made an official statement today on the Biblical view of the LGBTQ+ community and its interests.

www.christianityboard.com

There was also a follow-up video including President Ted Wilson.

Show me another Christian organization of 20 million or more members that's taking such a public stand against LGBT ideology.

I'm waiting...

Even our largest self-supporting ministries—3ABN and Amazing Facts—frequently address this issue from the biblical perspective.

Your irresponsible trumpeting never ceases to amaze me.

"All-inclusive love," as you call it should only be charged where it actually exists.

But I suppose, like so many other aggressive Sabbath objectors, you reckon the Adventist church should have an immense and active Thought Police Force to make sure no RAINBOW INCLUSIVITY is permitted to exist at any level of a 20+ million membership—the kind of thing you wouldn't impose on the Baptists or the Lutheran's, etc., since they aren't in the business of conscience-pricking about keeping all of God's commandments literally.

Just "keep the darts flying at the 'troublers of Israel'" business-as-usual is what you're doing here. It's a very hypocritical and cowardly look. You can run and hide with your anti-denomonational status and attitude. We can't. We're everywhere. And you take full advantage.

I'm not apologizing this time because I'm not even angry with you.

Just sad


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[Ziggy]

Seek ye first the Kingdom of God.

Deu 4:25
When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger:
Deu 4:26
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
Deu 4:27
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.
Deu 4:28
And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
Deu 4:29
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Deu 12:1
These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.
Deu 12:2
Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
Deu 12:3
And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
Deu 12:4
Ye shall not do so unto the LORD your God.
Deu 12:5
But unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come:

1Ch 16:10
Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.
1Ch 16:11
Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually.

2Ch 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Amo 5:4
For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live:

Zep 2:3
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

Mat 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Phl 2:21
For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.

Col 3:1
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

hugs

 

[Hobie]

Wrong foundation.

We don't "not murder" because we are commanded to not murder. We not murder because we love instead.

If your only reason to not murder someone is that you are forbidden by the commandment, well, that's not the Christian Way.

What IS the Christian Way is that we rest in Christ, all the time, the true Sabbath. Do you only rest in Christ on Saturday?

Much love!

Ah, so you love God, so how do you show it? By obeying or disobeying His Commandments, think it through..

 

[Ziggy]

Ah, so you love God, so how do you show it? By obeying or disobeying His Commandments, think it through..

We follow him.

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Can you see the hypocrisy?

Num 15:32
And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
Num 15:33
And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

Just saying..
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Mic 7:2
The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net.

Luk 6:41
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Luk 6:42
Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

 

[mailmandan]

And yet God says the Sabbath will continue in His Kingdom in the New Jerusalem, so if one is there with Christ, the day made for man, will also be there for us to come and worship as He intended from Creation and be blessed.

In regard to Isaiah 66:22-23, this simply teaches that from month to month and from week to week, God’s people will worship Him. In the new heaven and the new earth, we read there will have no need of the sun or moon, there will be no night there, but one perpetual day and the glory of God will illuminate it. (Revelation 21:23-25)

How then could there be a cycle of seven days that would allow for literally keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law? The Isaiah passage simply means that God’s people will perpetually worship Him in contrast to keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law.

Furthermore, if one insists on weekly sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, then one also needs to observe new moons as well. Yet from what I hear, SDA's don’t observe new moons, which is inconsistent. New moons require night, hence Sabbatarians have night in heaven, yet there is no day and night cycles in heaven. You cannot have "new moon to new moon" or "sabbath days" without day and night, so your argument remains inconsistent.

Will there be Levitical priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the weekly sabbath day under the law in the new heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it's also mentioned. What happened to the Levitical priesthood under the new covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. The old and new covenants do not mix.

Our perpetual 'sabbatismos' rest (Hebrews 4:9) found only in Christ and is to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. (Exodus 31:16-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:15)

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[Behold]

"What will happen to all those Christians who don't worship on the Sabbath?"

They will all be blessed for worshiping God.
Why?
Because God is not interested in the day of the week you do it...>He's only interested in the fact that you do., Reader.

 

[mailmandan]

Wrong foundation.

We don't "not murder" because we are commanded to not murder. We not murder because we love instead.

If your only reason to not murder someone is that you are forbidden by the commandment, well, that's not the Christian Way.

What IS the Christian Way is that we rest in Christ, all the time, the true Sabbath. Do you only rest in Christ on Saturday?

Much love!

Amen! The moral aspect of the law is written on our hearts. The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the letter of the law. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.