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MatthewG

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I suggest conflating your self proclaimed right understanding to that of Jesus is error.


As to being pure and blameless, relax. Not a human I've will achieve that.

Christ is peace,not stress.
It’s the readers decision to decide what they believe to be true in one’s own heart. That’s all I am able to reply back to you with, BlessedPeace.

Some people’s heart is for evil,
Some people’s heart is for good.

I don’t see how I have made an error in my decision to believe Jesus was right, and other writers in that time encouraged them in that time to continue to wait and watch for him.

The bride was pure, spotless and blameless.

2 Peter 3:14
So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

Ephesians 5:27
and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

There were holy, blameless, without stain and wrinkle believers whom made up the church. I consider this the first bride of Christ and that more people would be able to come to the wedding banquet in the kingdom of God today. But the first bride of Christ suffered under tremendous pressure and circumstances and died for their faith, and those who seen him in that day did and were rescued from Gods wrath and now the new world has come through the arrangement of Christ and the new covenant.

Did you know this, before?
 

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I didn't think you'd be able to refute the vertses I presented - and I was right . . .
Dude, I have refuted those verses for you so many times I lost count.

But you are a man follower. Not a follower of the word. So i would not expect you to counter the truth that I said about what Jesus said.

You call him a liar. But refuse to acknowledge it because again, your a man follower
 
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Debating people isn’t what makes a person a man of God. It’s the fruit of love by the spirit which they have which is from God, dwelling inside of them. May we all continue to move closer to God.
 

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It’s the readers decision to decide what they believe to be true in one’s own heart. That’s all I am able to reply back to you with, BlessedPeace.

Some people’s heart is for evil,
Some people’s heart is for good.

I don’t see how I have made an error in my decision to believe Jesus was right, and other writers in that time encouraged them in that time to continue to wait and watch for him.

The bride was pure, spotless and blameless.

2 Peter 3:14
So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

Ephesians 5:27
and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

There were holy, blameless, without stain and wrinkle believers whom made up the church. I consider this the first bride of Christ and that more people would be able to come to the wedding banquet in the kingdom of God today. But the first bride of Christ suffered under tremendous pressure and circumstances and died for their faith, and those who seen him in that day did and were rescued from Gods wrath and now the new world has come through the arrangement of Christ and the new covenant.

Did you know this, before?
I know Jesus,yes.

Thanks.
 
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the devil wants to lead everyone to hell... and he cant do that to a born again believer who is "one with God" already.... born again.

Your statement flies in the face of what the Holy Bible says:

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.” (1 Peter 5:8-9)

If you don’t resist the devil steadfast in the faith he will devour you!
 
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Your statement flies in the face of what the Holy Bible says:

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.” (1 Peter 5:8-9)

If you don’t resist the devil steadfast in the faith he will devour you!
No worries. I pray before meals and my diet typically contains a lot of hot spicy foods. He's gonna need a lot of Rolaids if he devours this chick.

:jest:
 
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Which book would you rather trust, a book written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, or a book written by a natural man??

But I bet those he’s debating with trust the words of so called “study” books over what the holy scriptures say.

It’s a common problem in Christianity today…
 
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But I bet those he’s debating with trust the words of so called “study” books over what the holy scriptures say.

It’s a common problem in Christianity today…
That's exactly what he said naming about five or six natural man authors he did trust. And he calls himself a Christian not really understanding Bible doctrines and it's interpretations.
 

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Thank you for all the people whom have come by the thread. It seems that once saved always saved is still a myth.
You're kidding, right?
Those who believe that OSAS is a myth don't really understand Bible doctrines and it's interpretations.

IS OSAS TRULY A MYTH?....Bible study time....

Scripture declares, "the wages of sin (singular) is death."
When Jesus went to the cross to redeem His people's sins (Matthew 1:21), how many sins did He really redeem?.....ALL of their sins!! If all, how many sins can he commit that will bring him to hell?...NONE, NADA, ZILCH.

There are more like Scriptures but the above should be enough as I believe people got the gist.

To God Be The Glory
 

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MatthewG said: Faith Without Works Is Dead​

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works.
We show our faith by our works, but we do not establish it. (Ephesians 2:5-9)

19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!
In James 2:19, we read that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved.
Their trust and reliance are in Satan as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead?
In regard to "faith without works is dead," James does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith, and the works are the source of life in faith. That would be like saying that a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree, and the fruit is the source of life in the tree. Something that is dead cannot produce anything. It takes a living faith to produce works (Ephesians 2:5-10) just as it takes a living tree to produce fruit. A bare profession of faith that produces no works demonstrates that it's dead.

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made [d]perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was [e]accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God.
In James 2:22, faith made perfect or complete by works means bring to maturity, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean that Abraham was finally saved based on merits of his works after he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

In James 2:23, the scripture was fulfilled in vindicating or demonstrating that Abraham believed God and was accounted as righteous. Abraham was accounted as righteous based on his faith (Genesis 15:6) not his works (Romans 4:2-3) long before he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22.

24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:24 - You see that a man (believer) is justified by works and not by faith alone [that is, by acts of obedience a born-again believer reveals his faith]. (AMP)

James 2:24 - So, you see that a person is shown to be righteous through faithful actions and not through faith alone. (CEB) Empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone - "barren of works." (James 2:14) Hence, faith alone. *Not to be confused with faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)

In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)

Greek word for justified "dikaioo" Strongs #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

*Fits the context.

Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness. *Hermeneutics.

Greek word for justified "dikaioo" Strongs #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

*Fits the context.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
Rahab believed in the Lord with authentic faith (Joshua 2:9-13), requested "kindness" (2:12), received the promise of kindness (2:14), and hung out the "scarlet line" (2:21), as the demonstration of her authentic faith. She showed that her faith in God was not a dead faith by her works, just as all genuine believers show theirs.

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
The comparison of the human spirit and faith converge around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath." As a breathless body exhibits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. The source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works. (Ephesians 2:5-10)
 
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Your statement flies in the face of what the Holy Bible says:

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.” (1 Peter 5:8-9)

If you don’t resist the devil steadfast in the faith he will devour you!
He will, hear on earth

Satan has no power to take your salvation though. You give satan too much credit
 

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He will, hear on earth

Satan has no power to take your salvation though. You give satan too much credit

Those who endure to the end (Matthew 24:13) resisting the wiles of the devil (Ephesians 6:11) and his own self’s fleshly desires (Ephesians 2:3) will be counted saved in the end my friend.
 

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You're kidding, right?
Those who believe that OSAS is a myth don't really understand Bible doctrines and it's interpretations.

IS OSAS TRULY A MYTH?....Bible study time....

Scripture declares, "the wages of sin (singular) is death."
When Jesus went to the cross to redeem His people's sins (Matthew 1:21), how many sins did He really redeem?.....ALL of their sins!! If all, how many sins can he commit that will bring him to hell?...NONE, NADA, ZILCH.

There are more like Scriptures but the above should be enough as I believe people got the gist.

To God Be The Glory
They just have to trust in themselves for salvation.
 
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Trusting in self for salvation reminds me of the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector in Luke 18:9-14. To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable.
Sad part is they are just as blind as the pharisee,

Who is unable to see how dead they are (spiritually speaking)
 
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If you think you can earn your salvation by what you do.

You are in serious trouble.

On the contrary:

If you think that you don’t have to earn it after freely receiving it, you have ignored the full counsel of God and turned aside to the counsel of men.

And as usual you attach no scripture texts to your assertions.
 
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On the contrary:

If you think that you don’t have to earn it after freely receiving it, you have ignored the full counsel of God and turned aside to the counsel of men.

And as usual you attach no scripture texts to your assertions.
SMH

Gal 3: 3 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you [a]that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

I am so sorry you can;t get out of your own way and think you can earn the gift of salvation.

Jesus said whoever believes will NEVER die. and they HAVE ETERNAL LIFE

I guess the word never and eternal mean nothing to you.
 
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Trusting in self for salvation reminds me of the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector in Luke 18:9-14. To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable.

You cite a scripture that applies to unbelievers to a believer?

I trust the scriptures (Psalm 119:42).

They tell me that the obedient servant will be saved (Romans 1:5; 16:26).

Believers who carry their cross (Luke 9:23) and choose to suffer in the flesh than to enjoy the pleasures of sin from time to time (Hebrews 11:25) without a false notion that their salvation will never be threatened will be saved in the end.
 
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