Once saved, always saved is a myth.

[amigo de christo]

For by grace we have been saved.

Not of works

I feel sorry for those who continue to think it is by works we must be saved

we need to start asking some questions . because even folks like me have been accused of a false accusation
such as i think its my works saving me .
Some people on this site are still correct and are falsely accused by others of trying to save themselves by works .
When in truth they are simply saying what JESUS DID and the apostels did .
they are being accused of not having faith or believing its NOT by grace we are saved .
I have often , in times past , been falsey accused of this . because , I BRING ALL WARNINGS AND ALL REMINDERS .
this is a huge problem. Cause also , if you take notice , I am the one on this site
THAT WARNS MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE about the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
even my accusers are falling for a ruse of the all inclusive love stuff .
I almost stand alone on every site i am on and have went to . ALWAYS reminding
always warning , always exposing the false love lie and constantly saying the other religoins are false
THEY TOO must repent to believe on JESUS CHRIST . SO FEW even; bother to help me .
but are fast to accuse me falsey of not having faith of not knowing ITS BY GRACE ALONE we have been saved .
SOMETHING HAS WENT DEAD WRONG my friend . and we better get in the bible for us .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Actually this is what the verse states. Whether you accept it's saying or not, that's a different question. But there is no question about what these words say.

Much love!

You haven’t proved me wrong with scripture.

How does making a passing comment without citing any biblical references help your argument?

 

[amigo de christo]

When you’re in the Spirit you preserve your salvation.

But if we turn away from the Spirit and go back into the flesh you will be in a lost state from which the holy scriptures warn you cannot come back from!

Or you can be saved by fire being delivered into Satan’s hand!

“To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” (1 Corinthians 5:5)

No Christian should invite such a fate!

and peter and paul , even JESUS warned about this . EVEN warned HIS OWN they must CONTINUE IN HIM to the end .
AND LOOK at how many warnings we see paul give and how many IFS too .
SOMETHING has went dead wrong .
EVEN I am accused falsey , and yet , and yet ITS I BY GRACE that is doing everything to expose the false inclusvie lie
and to remind every single soul , WE GOTTA Preach YE Must BELIEVE ON JESUS .
many wont lift a finger to help me expose the false love , but man they are fast to accuse me
of not trusting in JESUS , not believing its by grace we are saved . SOMETHING IS GOING and has went dead wrong .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I almost stand alone on every site i am on and have went to . ALWAYS reminding
always warning

“…my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.” (1 Corinthians 15:58)

 

[mr mxyzptlk]

We are owned by God, it's not up to us to change our status.

Who are we owned by before we change our status from lost to saved?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Peter makes this part clear:

1 Peter 1:3-5 KJV
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Much love!

It gets no more clear than this.

Paul also spoke up.

Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

it is interesting, if you look at the language, Draw back literally means to be hesitant, to be timid, let down, This is why Paul is warning them not to be hesitant, but to come to true saving faith (assurance) like the rest of us.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's very edifying.

And typical.

.

Was there anything wrong with it?

Typical of what? Giving a different opinion?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I did not “earn” my forgiveness of sins.

But I do earn the prize of the high calling of God for not making a clown out of Christ and trampling Him under my feet by returning to sin again (Philippians 3:14; Hebrews 10:29).

“I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.” (Philippians 3:14)

“Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:29)

lol

So you can not earn salvation, but you can unearn it?

I press towards the prize too.. Because I do not want to be left with wood hay and stubble

But salvation is a gift. it is not a reward..

 

[amigo de christo]

To end the suffering in the flesh that an evil world inflicts daily on holy men of God who strive to remain pure. And how many men will suffer to the point of bloodshed suffering wrongfully?

“Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.” (Hebrews 12:4)

even paul warned the church . he had sent timothy to see how they were doing during their persecutoins
and he said this , LEST any of ye be MOVED and our labor be IN VAIN .
YES PERSECUTIONS can cause and often does cause many to FALL AWAY . as does the lusts of the flesh , cares and pleasures in life .
WE GOTTA KEEP ON REMINDING the church about ALL THEM REMINDERS , ALL THEM WARNINGS .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When you’re in the Spirit you preserve your salvation.

But if we turn away from the Spirit and go back into the flesh you will be in a lost state from which the holy scriptures warn you cannot come back from!

Or you can be saved by fire being delivered into Satan’s hand!

“To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” (1 Corinthians 5:5)

No Christian should invite such a fate!

sorry Bud

God requires perfection..

If you keep the whole law yet stumble in one point, Your guilty

You do not even have to do it on purpose.. Just trip and fall. and your guilty.

But Jesus took that curse from you. by dying the death you deserve.

Do we really want to spit on the cross and say the cross was nto enough to save us completely?

 

[MatthewG]

Who are we owned by before we change our status from lost to saved?

My own answer would be I own myself. Without God in the picture and being a slave towards him. I’m a slave to my “self” by the flesh. Meaning my own soul, (mind/will/emotions) and life have been my own responsibility to take care of: whether it’s for myself or towards God if he is there in one’s life.

What would you answer ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

we need to start asking some questions . because even folks like me have been accused of a false accusation
such as i think its my works saving me .
Some people on this site are still correct and are falsely accused by others of trying to save themselves by works .
When in truth they are simply saying what JESUS DID and the apostels did .
they are being accused of not having faith or believing its NOT by grace we are saved .
I have often , in times past , been falsey accused of this . because , I BRING ALL WARNINGS AND ALL REMINDERS .
this is a huge problem. Cause also , if you take notice , I am the one on this site
THAT WARNS MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE about the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
even my accusers are falling for a ruse of the all inclusive love stuff .
I almost stand alone on every site i am on and have went to . ALWAYS reminding
always warning , always exposing the false love lie and constantly saying the other religoins are false
THEY TOO must repent to believe on JESUS CHRIST . SO FEW even; bother to help me .
but are fast to accuse me falsey of not having faith of not knowing ITS BY GRACE ALONE we have been saved .
SOMETHING HAS WENT DEAD WRONG my friend . and we better get in the bible for us .

when a person says that you can lose salvation. That you are initially saved, but then must continue in your works. if you want to be saved. Or that salvation is not secure.

they teach a works based salvation.

its a big difference in saying we work BECAUSE we are saved,

then to say we work in ORDER to be saved.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

and peter and paul , even JESUS warned about this . EVEN warned HIS OWN they must CONTINUE IN HIM to the end .
AND LOOK at how many warnings we see paul give and how many IFS too .
SOMETHING has went dead wrong .
EVEN I am accused falsey , and yet , and yet ITS I BY GRACE that is doing everything to expose the false inclusvie lie
and to remind every single soul , WE GOTTA Preach YE Must BELIEVE ON JESUS .
many wont lift a finger to help me expose the false love , but man they are fast to accuse me
of not trusting in JESUS , not believing its by grace we are saved . SOMETHING IS GOING and has went dead wrong .

So what if we do not continue in him in all things

do we lose our salvation, or are we still saved even as through fire?

 

[MatthewG]

when a person says that you can lose salvation. That you are initially saved, but then must continue in your works. if you want to be saved. Or that salvation is not secure.

they teach a works based salvation.

its a big difference in saying we work BECAUSE we are saved,

then to say we work in ORDER to be saved.

Some say that you work in order to be saved. But you are really working towards spiritual rewards as one allows God to work in and through them through their life.

Jesus said “store your treasures in heaven not on earth.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Who are we owned by before we change our status from lost to saved?

Satan, in adam

 

[mailmandan]

Hope to hear the rest of your responses, @mailmandan.

It’s impossible for me to believe in once saved always saved.

Jesus said pick up one’s cross daily… that means day by day, in one’s heart you pick up the cross and rise to new life in the Lord YeYeshua.

Prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, it was impossible for me to believe in OSAS because at that time, I thought obtaining and maintaining salvation was based on our performance/works. Picking up one's cross daily can easily end up being misconstrued to support salvation by works.

 

[amigo de christo]

all warnings , all reminders given us in the gosples and in the letters of the apostles
IS SPIRIT INSPIRED . ITS FOR THE GOOD of the peoples to HEED these warnings .
YOU SEE JESUS DOES KNOW HOW TO KEEP US SAFE
THE SPIRIT is our GUIDE
and how often the SPIRIT unctioned those apostels to warn and to remind the church .
OSAS has removed the dire help inspired by the SPIRIT ITSELF . And folks are getting lazy
getting slothful , thinking no matter what i do i cannot lose salvation .
YOU ALL BETTER watch out is all i can say .
EVERY REMINDER , IS SPIRIT INSPIRED , FROM every warning to etc ITS ALL MEANT TO HELP KEEP THE CHURCH SAFE
and FROM FALLING . watch out is all i can say to many .

 

[MatthewG]

Prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, it was impossible for me to believe in OSAS because at that time, I thought obtaining and maintaining salvation was based on our performance/works. Picking up one's cross daily can easily end up being misconstrued to support salvation by works.

Bro

People who work for God and allow him to use them for his purposes are building up spiritual rewards in heaven…

I don’t say people must work in order to be saved. But a dead faith, is a work that is not being shown to Gods glory,

There is only one work there is “to believe in the Son of God whom God sent right?”

But the works that God does in and through a willingly heart and mind is produce love through trials and humiliations and hardships.

 

[marks]

Who are we owned by before we change our status from lost to saved?

We don't change our status. Only God can do that.

John 1:12-13 KJV
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

To answer your question of our previous ownership, there are a few passages that address this in a few different ways. I can think of one where Jesus said to certain people, "you are of your father the Devil", but that doesn't necessarily express ownership. There is also, "you were slaves to sin", but likewise, no statement of ownership.

There is ownership in the sense of "the earth and everything in it is God's", which includes us. Yet we've been purchased, it would seem, from someone or some thing.

Revelation 5:9 KJV
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Here we are purchased but it doesn't say from whom.

Do you have any particular passages in mind? This is good question!

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Some say that you work in order to be saved. But you are really working towards spiritual rewards as one allows God to work in and through them through their life.

Jesus said “store your treasures in heaven not on earth.”

If we are working for rewards in heaven,, then we are doing just that. Our salvation is not dependent on it at all. We are saved because we trusted God with our eternity. CHristian growth is learning to trust God in other areas of our life.. and that brings for works and fruit

But if you say you are working in order to be saved, or keep your salvation. You are saying your salvation is based on your work, not on Gods work.

Basically your faith is in self not God.