Once saved, always saved is a myth.

[marks]

You haven’t proved me wrong with scripture.

How does making a passing comment without citing any biblical references help your argument?

I thought you were responding my Bible quotation. Maybe I became confused.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

So what if we do not continue in him in all things

do we lose our salvation, or are we still saved even as through fire?

NO , if we dont continue in HIM , WE WERE NEVER HIS .
HOWEVER paul who was HIS was SPIRIT FILLED and by the SPIRIT
was helping to remind and to warn the CHURCH IT HAD TO CONTINUE IN HIM
to the end . YOu all miss the point big time .
I already LONG have known that anyone who does end up falling away , WAS NEVER HIS .
THEY WILL NOT HAVE SALVATION .
Yet many today think cause they beleive that even if one fell away to the love delusion they still saved .
ITS A LIE .
And the warnings to CONTINUE IN HIM , ARE TO HELP THE LAMBS , as IS HIS EVERY WORD , HIS SPIRIT .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

God requires perfection..

If you keep the whole law yet stumble in one point, Your guilty

And if you keep ONE point you fulfill them all!

“Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”” (Romans 13:8-9)

You do not even have to do it on purpose.. Just trip and fall. and your guilty.

More unbiblical wisdom you need de programming from:

Things done unintentionally are not counted against men. This is a very basic Bible teaching.

Do we really want to spit on the cross and say the cross was nto enough to save us completely?

Putting words in other peoples mouths is not polite sir.

I’m respecting the cross by showing what the Holy Bible plainly teaches.

 

[amigo de christo]

Bro

People who work for God and allow him to use them for his purposes are building up spiritual rewards in heaven…

I don’t say people must work in order to be saved. But a dead faith, is a work that is not being shown to Gods glory,

There is only one work there is “to believe in the Son of God whom God sent right?”

But the works that God does in and through a willingly heart and mind is produce love through trials and humiliations and hardships.

we need to keep it much more real than this . DEAD FAITH means THEY HAVE AND HAD NO FAITH .
they DECIEVED THEMSELVES .
dead faith IS NO FAITH .
Many can lip HIS NAME and yet love their sin . THAT TOO is a DEAD FAITH DUDE .
we cant come running to a rainbow jesus . cause rainbow jesus AINT JESUS
ITS THE DEVIL USING the name of jesus to serve men and their own lusts and let them FEEL saved . watch out
cause inclusive diversity false love is leading all to THE LIE and the father of lies . that be A FACT TOO .

 

[marks]

@marks,

God gave people over to their own desires.

”Instead of honoring the divine greatness of God, who lives forever, they traded it for the worship of idols—things made to look like humans, who get sick and die, or like birds, animals, and snakes. People wanted only to do evil. So God left them and let them go their sinful way. And so they became completely immoral and used their bodies in shameful ways with each other.“
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭23‬-‭24‬ ‭ERV‬‬

Romans 1:23-24 Instead of honoring the divine greatness of God, who lives forever, they traded it for the worship of idols—things made to look like humans, who get sick and die, or like birds, animals, and snakes. P | Holy Bible: Easy-to-Read Version

Instead of honoring the divine greatness of God, who lives forever, they traded it for the worship of idols—things made to look like humans, who get sick and die, or like birds, animals, and snakes. P

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That's not His children. To His children He promised,

Hebrews 12:6-11 KJV
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

He won't lose us, He'll correct us.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Bro

People who work for God and allow him to use them for his purposes are building up spiritual rewards in heaven…

I don’t say people must work in order to be saved. But a dead faith, is a work that is not being shown to Gods glory,

There is only one work there is “to believe in the Son of God whom God sent right?”

But the works that God does in and through a willingly heart and mind is produce love through trials and humiliations and hardships.

So you now believe in eternal security?

 

[MatthewG]

Good @marks. Thank you. I don’t agree with you on everything but yeah, all the best! People can lose their faith though. Can’t tell me otherwise.

 

[MatthewG]

So you now believe in eternal security?

No.

 

[mailmandan]

“They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.” (Luke 8:13)

Even though this shallow ground hearer in Luke 8:13 is said to have "believed," yet he is never said to have been "saved." How do we know that the shallow ground hearer was never actually "saved"?

First, his heart condition is contrasted with that of the "good ground" hearer in the 4th soil, who's heart was "good" and "honest." Thus, his heart was not "good," being like the soil to which it corresponds, being "shallow" or "rocky," lacking sufficient depth. Such soil represents a sinner not properly prepared in heart. People who "believe" and "rejoice" at the preaching of the gospel without a prepared heart, and without a good and honest heart, and without having "root" in themselves, do not experience real salvation.

*IN CONTRAST TO Mark 4:8 - But other seed fell on good ground and yielded a crop that sprang up, increased and produced: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred. Luke 8:15 says, But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with perseverance. So the rocky soil represents a person not properly prepared in heart so the seed planted ends up with a lack of "root" (lack of being firmly planted, or established) and good soil represents a person properly prepared in heart who having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keeps it and bears fruit with perseverance.

*Unlike saving belief, temporary, shallow belief is not rooted in a regenerate heart. How can no depth of earth, no root, no moisture, no fruit, represent saving belief? Also the same Greek word for believe "pisteuo" is used in James 2:19, in which we read that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they are not saved.

John has portrayed people who "believe" (at least to some extent) but are clearly not saved. There is a stage in the progress of belief in Jesus that "falls short of firmly rooted consummated belief resulting in salvation." As we see in John 2:23-25, in which their belief was superficial in nature and Jesus would not entrust/commit Himself to them.

Also, in John 8:31-59, where the Jews who were said to have "believed in him" turn out to be slaves to sin, indifferent to the words of Jesus’, children of the devil, liars, accused Jesus of having a demon and were guilty of setting out to stone and kill the one they have professed to believe in.

We can see at best, these Jews believed in Him (based on their own misconceptions and expectations) of Jesus, yet upon gaining further knowledge about Jesus through His words, we see they did not truly "believe unto salvation" and become children of God but were instead children of the devil. (John 1:12; 3:18)

 

[amigo de christo]

Who are we owned by before we change our status from lost to saved?

we were under the power of satan .
but let no man or woman fool themselves .
WHO WE SERVE IS WHOSE WE ARE . LIP service means and meant nothing IF THE HEART DONT MATCH the lips .
Too many are serving a jesus who honors certain sins
a jesus who has made the path to GOD very broad by saying muslims and others are on it too .
IT AINT JESUS , ITS THE DEVIL USING the name of JESUS to gather all under a false love . DAMNED TO PERIDTION THEY WILL BE .
we better LEARN JESUS CHRIST and to do so , OPEN UP THE BIBLE for ourselves and get busy learning .
cause far too many are following another jesus , another gospel . AND PERDITION COMETH AT THE END OF THAT TRAIL .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

all warnings , all reminders given us in the gosples and in the letters of the apostles
IS SPIRIT INSPIRED . ITS FOR THE GOOD of the peoples to HEED these warnings .
YOU SEE JESUS DOES KNOW HOW TO KEEP US SAFE
THE SPIRIT is our GUIDE
and how often the SPIRIT unctioned those apostels to warn and to remind the church .
OSAS has removed the dire help inspired by the SPIRIT ITSELF . And folks are getting lazy
getting slothful , thinking no matter what i do i cannot lose salvation .
YOU ALL BETTER watch out is all i can say .
EVERY REMINDER , IS SPIRIT INSPIRED , FROM every warning to etc ITS ALL MEANT TO HELP KEEP THE CHURCH SAFE
and FROM FALLING . watch out is all i can say to many .

People are not getting lazy because of OSAS

They are lazy because they do not trust God. they never did.

Don;t blame sin on Gods promise and his assurance.. Thats what the people of Jude did. by turning the grace of God to licentiousness. A sin just as bad as legalism.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No.

Then you do not really believe what you said.,

because the words you wrote was eternal security

 

[amigo de christo]

No.

eternal security is real . just not quite like OSAS says it .
Cause they often forget to warn the believers YE MUST CONTINUE TO THE END .
BUT ETERNAL SECURITY IS REAL . IT IS JESUS CHRIST . heed him unto the end
and if any does err we must correct them .

 

[amigo de christo]

People are not getting lazy because of OSAS

They are lazy because they do not trust God. they never did.

Don;t blame sin on Gods promise and his assurance.. Thats what the people of Jude did. by turning the grace of God to licentiousness. As sin just as bad as legalism.

that is partly true . THEY NEVER DID KNOW HIM .
there are a few who do teach OSAS that do seem to know him . but they often contradict some of the teachings of OSAS
WHICH IS A GOOD THING .
they too remind and warn .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

eternal security is real . just not quite like OSAS says it .
Cause they often forget to warn the believers YE MUST CONTINUE TO THE END .
BUT ETERNAL SECURITY IS REAL . IT IS JESUS CHRIST . heed him unto the end
and if any does err we must correct them .

If I must continue to the end, How am I eternally secure?

That does not make sense

 

[Eternally Grateful]

that is partly true . THEY NEVER DID KNOW HIM .
there are a few who do teach OSAS that do seem to know him . but they often contradict some of the teachings of OSAS
WHICH IS A GOOD THING .
they too remind and warn .

I think this issue is distinguishing between the gospel that saves, and the word of God that grows..

People get confused when they try to mix the two

 

[MatthewG]

Hey it happens ya know. And you can’t say it doesn’t.

 

[amigo de christo]

Then you do not really believe what you said.,

because the words you wrote was eternal security

JESUS IS OUR ETERNAL SECURITY . And he alone is
KEEP THE HOPE IN HIM FIRM TO THE END AND DO NOT BE MOVED AWAY
FROM THE HOPE OF THE TRUE GOSPEL AND INTO THE SOCIAL ALL INCLUSIVE ONE .
BEWARE THE ERROR OF THE WICKED , LEST YE FALL FROM YOUR OWN STEADFASTNESS .
THE ALL INCLUSIVE LOVE LOVE LOVE , is FALSE AND ITS NOT COMING FROM GOD BUT FROM THE DRAGON .
THAT BE A FACT TOO . SOON MANY MORE WILL BE COMING OUT FROM AMONGST US .
FALLING FOR A RUSE THAT MUSLIMS AND OTHER RELIGOINS ARE ON THE PATH TO GOD TOO
NEVER BUY THE LIE .
NEVER BUY THE LIE .
WE MUST PREACH AND REMIND ALL THAT HAS BREATH
THAT ALL OTHER RELIGOINS DO NOT SERVE THE SAME GOD WE DO ,THEY SERVE THE DEVIL .
THAT TOO IS A FACT .
ONLY JESUS CAN SET US FREE FROM THE KINGDOM OF SATAN , THE POWER OF SATAN
AND TO ANY AND TO ALL WHO BELIEVE NOT , THEY ARE NOT AND HAVE NOT YET BEEN SET FREE
BUT ARE STILL UNDER THE POWER AND INFLUENCE OF SATAN .
THIS IS A SOLID FACT . BUT MANY NO LONGER BELIEVE IT

 

[MatthewG]

Then you do not really believe what you said.,

because the words you wrote was eternal security

Never heard read them in the Bible so can’t say.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hey it happens ya know. And you can’t say it doesn’t.

no, But I can use the bible

A person who was with us, who now deny's Christ, and is a non believer was never of us (never saved) they did nto lose salvation, they never had it.

1 John 2? They were never of us

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[d] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you[e] know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Let Truth Abide in You
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.
26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to [f]deceive you. 27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you [g]will abide in Him.

A child of God can not sin themselves out of salvation


1 John 3:
6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.