Unethical treatment of LGBTQ humans / Understanding LGBTQ - 101

[amigo de christo]

Never thought i would see the day when I can compare Sodom and Gomorrah and the United states, and see them as equal in depravity.

Just wonder if God will destroy the US like he did these 2 ancient cities

If GOD spared not those cities
IF GOD spared not the world in noahs days
IF GOD spared not even his own peoples when they too had refused to repent ,
SO TOO WITH THIS WORLD .
when the inquity has hit the full , DESTRUCTION COMETH and that is a fact .
GOD even had israel pass over the amorites as HE told them not to destroy them
for their inquity had not yet hit the full . but four generations it did and THEY TOO got destroyed .
GOD told even the jews before entry into canan WHY its inhabits were going to be destroyed
ITS INQUITY . when it hits the full , destruction will come .
and my friend
remember what GOD told the jews RIGHT before HE destroyed so many and sent them into captivity .
WHAT DID HE SAY .
WHAT DID HE TELL THEM .
YE HAVE BECOME as SODOM unto me
you no longer even hide your sin , YOU CELEBRATE IT RIGHT IN THE STREETS .
NOW LOOK AT TODAY and you tell me WHATS ABOUT TO HAPPEN .

 

[amigo de christo]

Good point.

When Jesus says, "Do not Judge lest ye be judged" he means "do not condemn." He is NOT saying "do not use discernment", and neither is he saying "do not evaluate a behavior based on what is beneficial or upright."

BULLSEYE BINGO . most folks dont get that .
but it do mean that . for in another part it says we are to JUDGE , aka CORRECT those within the church .
THEY use JUDGE NOT out of text to support a lie it never meant . You hit this nail spot in the coffin my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Never thought i would see the day when I can compare Sodom and Gomorrah and the United states, and see them as equal in depravity.

Just wonder if God will destroy the US like he did these 2 ancient cities

never thought one might see the day where the same thing could be said bout christendom .
but what came to pass upon the jew
has come to pass in these latter days upon the church .
YE HAVE BECOME as SODOM unto me . christendom is and has become a bigger defender of sins , cerain sins
than even has some of the lost dark religoins . THIS IS NOT GONNA BODE WELL at all .
TO USE THE NAME OF GOD AND OF CHRIST TO SUPPORT EVIL , IS THE WORST THING THAT COULD EVER Have been done .
And now a word .
I COUNSEL THEE TO BUY OF ME GOLD TRIED IN THE FIRE
BE ZEALOUS and REPENT . for why will ye die o christendom .
DIVERSITY and INCLUSIVITY , this other many path religious gatherig sin accepting so called love gospel
CAME FROM WITHIN CHRISTENDOM . that is horrible . MANY bess repent of it asap fast too .

 

[amigo de christo]

Homosexuality is a behavior, not a state of being.

Sin is sin . exactly . yet certain sins seem to be overlooked .
there is no difference , no , none at all
between a man who says judge not GOD MADE ME A MURDERER , i was born this way
than a man who says judge not GOD MADE ME HOMOSEXUAL , i was born this way .
ITS JUST folks using an excuse to cover up SIN and make it seem OKAY .

 

[CadyandZoe]

Never thought i would see the day when I can compare Sodom and Gomorrah and the United states, and see them as equal in depravity.

Just wonder if God will destroy the US like he did these 2 ancient cities

I hope not, but I think God might judge the US for a different reason also. Our justice system is corrupt and partial.

 

[Wrangler]

When Jesus says, "Do not Judge lest ye be judged" he means "do not condemn."

No sir. Judges nor juries can properly function with this notion. "Do not Judge lest ye be judged" is a prohibition of being a hypocrite. It means you will be judged by the same standard that you use to judge others.

IMO, this is closely tied to work out your own salvation with fear and trepidation.

Judging includes condemning and we have a responsibility to judge persuant to our authority. For instance, I am in the manufacturing sector Do the parts made meet the spec is a judgement call. Sometimes I reject or condemn the work done. We ought to do due diligence in reaching a considered opinion that we will stand behind. A jury must be able judge a man guilty with the sentence being death for justice to thrive. Your proposition makes a mockery of justice.

 

[amigo de christo]

I hope not, but I think God might judge the US for a different reason also. Our justice system is corrupt and partial.

We would be amazed if we travled to canda , or mexico , or the UK and europe
ITS ALL GONE THE WAY of all out darkness now .
and what is in the churches of america is HUGE in the churches of the world . THIS IS NOT looking good .
AN ENEMY has done this . An enemy has taken the collective christendom and her churches round the world
captive to a lie that just keeps on growing . FOR ALL THIS the END WILL COME

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I hope not, but I think God might judge the US for a different reason also. Our justice system is corrupt and partial.

I think it all goes together.. We have turned from God. and everything we see is part of that godlessness

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We would be amazed if we travled to canda , or mexico , or the UK and europe
ITS ALL GONE THE WAY of all out darkness now .
and what is in the churches of america is HUGE in the churches of the world . THIS IS NOT looking good .
AN ENEMY has done this . An enemy has taken the collective christendom and her churches round the world
captive to a lie that just keeps on growing . FOR ALL THIS the END WILL COME

what churches are you talking about?

 

[amigo de christo]

what churches are you talking about?

A LOT . but not all .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A LOT . but not all .

again which ones?

I only know of one denomination that is openly LGBTQ, and I do nto even call that a church..

 

[amigo de christo]

what churches are you talking about?

the better question is , what is the lie i am speaking of .......
it is the love that accepts sins and other paths as valid . Inclusive diversity
it has many phrases and ways it prepares churches to embrace it too .
It has come in under guise of many terms , terms such as ,but not limited too ,
BRIDGE BUILDERS , BREAKING DOWN WALLS , HEALING THE WOUND
UNITY , lets find common ground . seeker friendly methods , emergent
nar , yes its all over the evangelical realm too .
SOCIAL GOSPEL . seven mountains , it has many forms and many names
but it is unifying them to merge as one , to put aside differences it says
it focuses huge on community builders . doing good deeds BUT No doctrine , no correction
no preaching of JESUS CHRIST and the need to beleive on him .
My friend its like skynet . I cannot pin it down to one group . and to a baptist it came as it was one
to a methodist it snuck in as though it was of them and etc
THEY BEEN LONG doing this to the false religoins too , like mulsims and more .
THEY GONNA MERGE THEM ALL .
but it is not preached as a religoin .
How are they merging even the athiests and religoins . NOT BY DOCTRINE
cause that would keep them all divided . SO make all fundamnentalism look bad .
THEY unite them by the word love . THEY focus on this other love and have found
the common good works within religoins and the world TO TIE THEM AS ONE .
THE DEVIL IS SLICK . but the lambs DONT HEED his voice .

 

[amigo de christo]

again which ones?

I only know of one denomination that is openly LGBTQ, and I do nto even call that a church..

its not just that . the main thing that is unifying them is the idea
that all religoins are serving the same GOD . this is the lie i see fastest .
it has surpassed even the rainbow ,
the idea that GOD is fine with those in other religoins so long as they too have love and do good .
OVER SEVENTY PERCENT of even chrsitendom now believes this . THIS IS NOT LOOKING GOOD .
they are building a religoin , but not really using the word religoin , but rather love and common ground stuff .

 

[Peterlag]

Good point.

When Jesus says, "Do not Judge lest ye be judged" he means "do not condemn." He is NOT saying "do not use discernment", and neither is he saying "do not evaluate a behavior based on what is beneficial or upright."

He's also not talking to Christians, but rather to Israel.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

the better question is , what is the lie i am speaking of .......
it is the love that accepts sins and other paths as valid . Inclusive diversity
it has many phrases and ways it prepares churches to embrace it too .
It has come in under guise of many terms , terms such as ,but not limited too ,
BRIDGE BUILDERS , BREAKING DOWN WALLS , HEALING THE WOUND
UNITY , lets find common ground . seeker friendly methods , emergent
nar , yes its all over the evangelical realm too .
SOCIAL GOSPEL . seven mountains , it has many forms and many names
but it is unifying them to merge as one , to put aside differences it says
it focuses huge on community builders . doing good deeds BUT No doctrine , no correction
no preaching of JESUS CHRIST and the need to beleive on him .
My friend its like skynet . I cannot pin it down to one group . and to a baptist it came as it was one
to a methodist it snuck in as though it was of them and etc
THEY BEEN LONG doing this to the false religoins too , like mulsims and more .
THEY GONNA MERGE THEM ALL .
but it is not preached as a religoin .
How are they merging even the athiests and religoins . NOT BY DOCTRINE
cause that would keep them all divided . SO make all fundamnentalism look bad .
THEY unite them by the word love . THEY focus on this other love and have found
the common good works within religoins and the world TO TIE THEM AS ONE .
THE DEVIL IS SLICK . but the lambs DONT HEED his voice .

Again what Churches bro.

Have you been to any of them?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

its not just that . the main thing that is unifying them is the idea
that all religoins are serving the same GOD . this is the lie i see fastest .
it has surpassed even the rainbow ,
the idea that GOD is fine with those in other religoins so long as they too have love and do good .
OVER SEVENTY PERCENT of even chrsitendom now believes this . THIS IS NOT LOOKING GOOD .
they are building a religoin , but not really using the word religoin , but rather love and common ground stuff .

Believe what?

That LGBTQ is not a sin?

70%? where do you get your data?

 

[CadyandZoe]

No sir. Judges nor juries can properly function with this notion. "Do not Judge lest ye be judged" is a prohibition of being a hypocrite.

Okay I agree. Jesus is critical of hypocrites in that passage.

I made a video about this called "Balancing the Scale." My idea came from God's criticism of Israel because they used "unbalanced scales" with each other. In other words, they were using unbalanced scales in order to gain an unfair advantage. However, there is another way to use "unbalanced scales" in how we treat each other.

For instance, I noticed something about myself. I noticed that if you injure me, I want justice, but if I injure you I want mercy. See what I mean? If I truly valued justice, I would want justice for ALL including myself. If I truly valued mercy, I would want mercy for ALL, not just for myself. But as a sinner, I want mercy when I hurt someone, but I want justice when they hurt me.

Let's look at the text.

Mathew 7:1-5 Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.​

In the New Testament, the term "hypocrite" didn't mean the same thing then that it does today. In Jesus' day a hypocrite was an actor in a play -- someone who pretended to be someone else. In this case, the play-actor is able to see a speck in his brother's eye even though he has a log in his own eye. Elsewhere, Our Lord was critical of the Pharisees who believed themselves to be "not like other men", when in fact they were just like everyone else. He referred to the Pharisees as "play-actors" because these men weren't actually righteous, they were playing the role of a righteous person -- living out a script they wrote for themselves.

Some individuals believe they know better than everyone else. They view their opinions as superior and feel compelled to criticize those who disagree. An honest person would not feel superior to others and knowing that we all make mistakes, is quick to forgive others. In this way, I think, a Christian is able to "judge in the way that you will be judged." That is, God is willing to have mercy on the merciful, to forgive those who are willing to forgive others.

It means you will be judged by the same standard that you use to judge others.

IMO, this is closely tied to work out your own salvation with fear and trepidation.

Judging includes condemning and we have a responsibility to judge persuant to our authority. For instance, I am in the manufacturing sector Do the parts made meet the spec is a judgement call. Sometimes I reject or condemn the work done. We ought to do due diligence in reaching a considered opinion that we will stand behind. A jury must be able judge a man guilty with the sentence being death for justice to thrive. Your proposition makes a mockery of justice.

Good insights. Thanks

 

[CadyandZoe]

I think it all goes together.. We have turned from God. and everything we see is part of that godlessness

It saddens me. But I am praying that the Lord will save our nation. I want to be known as the nation that helped Israel during her struggles with her enemies.

 

[CadyandZoe]

He's also not talking to Christians, but rather to Israel.

He's talking to all of us.

 

[Grailhunter]

When you look into a topic whether be history or religion if you are doing an in depth study or research, it is good to consider what it is and what it is not.

Christians are not bad or unfair or unfeeling for believing homosexuality-LGBTQ is a serious sin. Serious sins are sins that disqualifies you for Heaven or it is said they will be thrown into the Lake of Fire in the NT or carried a death sentence in the OT.

Being a homosexual or gender confused is not a sin. And you can be born with it. It is the actions of homosexuality or the gender confused that is a sin.

Some people try to suggest that if you are homosexual that that give you the right to have same sex intercourse or same sex marriage. That is wrong.

Same way people say that women have the right to control their bodies. That sexual promiscuity is a right or a norm. That being sexually responsible is out of the question. That murdering their baby is a right. The whole point for abortionists and homosexuals is that they are held accountable for their actions.

The fact that they are born homosexual or not born homosexual is irrelevant. Being born Homosexual is not a sin, it is the act that is a sin.

Some Child molesters will tell you they were always that way.
Charles Mansion said he saw killing people as normal.
That does not make it right or not a sin.

So Christians believing homosexuality and child molestation and murdering someone is a sin, does not make them bad.

What is hard for Christians is how to deal with those that are homosexual. It is hard to get past the disgust or even hate. It is hard to welcome them in our churches…. Pastors prefer to have highly moral people in their congregations, but that is not always the case for those coming to Christ. Most Christians would not want to even sit next to a homosexual-LGBTQ person. But that is one of many reasons we have to be careful about judging…. denying them a chance for salvation is a sin in itself. And I have sympathy for Christians that have issues with dealing with it.

But it is a topic that needs to be talked about in the churches on how they are going to allow homosexual to repent and be saved. And that means that the church has to address this topic with homosexuals that want to come to their church so they know how they will be treated and what is expected of them.

I have my own feelings regarding homosexuals and I have to deal with them….what would Christ do? Ya got to give them a chance to be saved, you have to give them a chance not be damned to Hell.

Of course you have to be watchful when they are in your church because they are not known for their discipline or self control. That is not a bias, that is just they way they are. I am ex-military and not always peaceful. LOL And I have been accused by good Christians that I am too violent. I pretty much look like my avatar….270 pounds of muscle. But those same Christians that accused me of being too violent came to me and told me that a homosexual was hanging out in the bathroom cornering children in the stalls and looking over the stalls. I dragged him down the aisle of the church by his hair and threw him in the ditch out front. But I am 66 years old and something like that has only happened twice in my life.....in church. And in these cases they were homosexual child molesters.

But still we need to give them a chance, but they need to know what is expected of them. You see these guys in gay pride marches swinging their dingys at everyone…they need to know that is not allowed in church and what is going to happen to them if they do.

It all comes down to love and patience for your fellow men and women.