Unethical treatment of LGBTQ humans / Understanding LGBTQ - 101

[Eternally Grateful]

When you look into a topic whether be history or religion if you are doing an in depth study or research, it is good to consider what it is and what it is not.

Christians are not bad or unfair or unfeeling for believing homosexuality-LGBTQ is a serious sin. Serious sins are sins that disqualifies you for Heaven or it is said they will be thrown into the Lake of Fire in the NT or carried a death sentence in the OT.

Being a homosexual or gender confused is not a sin. And you can be born with it. It is the actions of homosexuality or the gender confused that is a sin.

Some people try to suggest that if you are homosexual that that give you the right to have same sex intercourse or same sex marriage. That is wrong.

Same way people say that women have the right to control their bodies. That sexual promiscuity is a right or a norm. That being sexually responsible is out of the question. That murdering their baby is a right. The whole point for abortionists and homosexuals is that they are held accountable for their actions.

The fact that they are born homosexual or not born homosexual is irrelevant. Being born Homosexual is not a sin, it is the act that is a sin.

Some Child molesters will tell you they were always that way.
Charles Mansion said he saw killing people as normal.
That does not make it right or not a sin.

So Christians believing homosexuality and child molestation and murdering someone is a sin, does not make them bad.

What is hard for Christians is how to deal with those that are homosexual. It is hard to get past the disgust or even hate. It is hard to welcome them in our churches…. Pastors prefer to have highly moral people in their congregations, but that is not always the case for those coming to Christ. Most Christians would not want to even sit next to a homosexual-LGBTQ person. But that is one of many reasons we have to be careful about judging…. denying them a chance for salvation is a sin in itself. And I have sympathy for Christians that have issues with dealing with it.

But it is a topic that needs to be talked about in the churches on how they are going to allow homosexual to repent and be saved. And that means that the church has to address this topic with homosexuals that want to come to their church so they know how they will be treated and what is expected of them.

I have my own feelings regarding homosexuals and I have to deal with them….what would Christ do? Ya got to give them a chance to be saved, you have to give them a chance not be damned to Hell.

Of course you have to be watchful when they are in your church because they are not known for their discipline or self control. That is not a bias, that is just they way they are. I am ex-military and not always peaceful. LOL And I have been accused by good Christians that I am too violent. I pretty much look like my avatar….270 pounds of muscle. But those same Christians that accused me of being too violent came to me and told me that a homosexual was hanging out in the bathroom cornering children in the stalls and looking over the stalls. I dragged him down the aisle of the church by his hair and threw him in the ditch out front. But I am 66 years old and something like that has only happened twice in my life.....in church. And in these cases they were homosexual child molesters.

But still we need to give them a chance, but they need to know what is expected of them. You see these guys in gay pride marches swinging their dingys at everyone…they need to know that is not allowed in church and what is going to happen to them if they do.

It all comes down to love and patience for your fellow men and women.

No one is born a homosexual.

The fact people think it may happen is part of the problem.

 

[Peterlag]

He's talking to all of us.

All of us were not there yet. There were no Christians when Jesus spoke in the Gospels. Much of what he said he said to the Jewish people and not to us. Do you need an example? The Lords prayer: Give us our daily bread. The Christian cannot pray that because they already have everything in Christ.

 

[Debp]

The key scripture used to make a claim against homosexual relations
is found in Leviticus chapter eighteen and verse twenty.

There are other verses in the New Testament. The following verses explain the crux of the matter:

1 Corinthians 6:9-20

9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Glorify God in Body and Spirit​

12All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 13Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power.

15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! 16Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.” 17But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

18Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

 

[St. SteVen]

New term.

Cisgender: The prefix “cis” means “on this side.” Adding it to the suffix “gender”
creates a word for someone whose gender identity aligns with the sex they were assigned at birth.
In other words, someone who does not identify as transgender.

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[St. SteVen]

There are other verses in the New Testament. The following verses explain the crux of the matter:

1 Corinthians 6:9-20

9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Thanks.
Please explain the difference between "homosexuals" and "sodomites", thanks.

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
The key scripture used to make a claim against homosexual relations
is found in Leviticus chapter eighteen and verse twenty.

There are other verses in the New Testament. The following verses explain the crux of the matter:

So, you completely sidestepped the polygamy question. ??? How come?

The key scripture used to make a claim against homosexual relations
is found in Leviticus chapter eighteen and verse twenty. What else is in that chapter?

The chapter details out every conceivable combination of incestuous relations imaginable.
Covers bestiality too.

But then (two verses before verse 20) we find this lone verse dealing with polygamy.
Polygamy is ONLY forbidden when a man takes his wife's sister as a rival wife.

Leviticus 18:18 NIV
Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have
sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

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[Debp]

But many people say you must be perfect! You must be perfect before you can ever get to God.

All that is bs.

No, we don't need to be perfect before coming to Christ.
But we must be sincerely sorry for our sins when asking for forgiveness from the Lord.

We must not try to justify a sinful lifestyle before God. We must not say certain things are not sin...when God's Word clearly says it is sin.

Correction indeed. They try to make us sound like we live to get on here just to bash them. When all we are doing is correction...when they get on here and start speaking such vile untruths, that we can not be silent!

(Oh but you dont love me...wah) Now that sure sounds all victim and noble and all sorts of jazz, but it is still Tripe and a lie from the pits of hell. The truth must be spoken in counter to these untruths that they are trying to spread.

It sure would be nice if the gays ever wanted to talk about anything else than being gay. (We're bashing them?! They are bashing us with homoism!)

I agree that some think we are hating others...when we are only speaking the truth of God's Word. And I always remember the verse about speaking the truth in love.

Btw I think the god of the gay, etc, community is sex. Because that seems to be all that they think upon or talk about.

 

[MatthewG]

No, we don't need to be perfect before coming to Christ.
But we must be sincerely sorry for our sins when asking for forgiveness from the Lord.

We must not try to justify a sinful lifestyle before God. We must not say certain things are not sin...when God's Word clearly says it is sin.

There are different measures of faith. Perhaps God is willingly to take what is in measure. I fail every day, and I can’t say I’m not guilty of sin. That’s why it’s good to confess and not to be unbelieving. In which the heart is seared. I don’t confess my sins all the time, God in me already knows about those things. He works with us daily. If we allow him to.

 

[St. SteVen]

There are other verses in the New Testament. The following verses explain the crux of the matter:

Is it sin when... ???
- A lesbian individual isn't acting on same-sex urges? (the "L" in LGBTQ)
- A gay individual isn't acting on same-sex urges? (the "G" in LGBTQ)
- A bisexual individual isn't acting on same-sex urges? (the "B" in LGBTQ)
- What about a 3 to 5 year old child that prefers opposite gender toys? (the "T" in LGBTQ)

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[MA2444]

All I know is no one is God to judge.

People have to use their judgment every day whether they want to or not. If you wont use your judgment then you wind up being broke homeless and who knows what else?

Good Judgment comes from Experience.
Experience comes from poor judgment.

I just want to make sure that we're on the same page about judgment. I don't Judge people. God does. I judge peoples words. I judge peoples tone, body language and choice of words and all that. And I am able to do that without being in Judgment of them as a person. That's between them and God.

But those little weirdos say oh your being judgmental of me and you aint God! But it wasnt them, it was the line of tripe they were speaking! I have to judge their words. If I didn't then I'd prolly be gay too. lol. If one can not judge for themselves then one will die. This is a rough planet.

 

[MA2444]

No, we don't need to be perfect before coming to Christ.
But we must be sincerely sorry for our sins when asking for forgiveness from the Lord.

We must not try to justify a sinful lifestyle before God. We must not say certain things are not sin...when God's Word clearly says it is sin.




I agree that some think we are hating others...when we are only speaking the truth of God's Word. And I always remember the verse about speaking the truth in love.

Btw I think the god of the gay, etc, community is sex. Because that seems to be all that they think upon or talk about.

That is the exact crux of the matter but they dont want to talk about that, nor do the "sympayhizers", lol. It's prolly a host of evil spirits. Spirit of Lust, spirit of sexual immorality, spirit of porn, spirit of depravity, spirit of trans, spirit of gay, spirit of masterbation, spirit of ...is it R? I dunno, whatever their letters mean. (LOL)

These evil spirits entice people to sin and it sounds fun to them so they do it and open the door to full possession. Then they start crossing even more lines and developing real mental illnesses from prolonged demonic possession.
"But it isnt evil spirits and not even a mental illness I tell you! It's...it's, GODS fault!" (I dont think they even hear themself when they say that crap).

Well scripture did say that the hated us because they hated Him first. So I guess there is nothing to be expected from those type people except hatred.

I'm all for locking the door sooner rather than later! lol.

 

[Debp]

I am not suggesting that we swing wide the doors
of the church to allow the LGBTQ community behave as they wish in our houses of worship.

I am asking that we lower the draw bridge, remove the gators from the moat, and stop shooting arrows at them while they approach.

The problem is that most of that community comes into the church with the assumption that there is nothing wrong with their lifestyle.

If someone who is in that community comes to church with a repentant heart, seeking help....I think most churches would seek to help that person.


P.S. My 94 year old mom is being released from the hospital after hip surgery so I won't be following this topic as fully. Am her caregiver.

 

[MA2444]

Is it sin when... ???
- A lesbian individual isn't acting on same-sex urges? (the "L" in LGBTQ)
- A gay individual isn't acting on same-sex urges? (the "G" in LGBTQ)
- A bisexual individual isn't acting on same-sex urges? (the "B" in LGBTQ)
- What about a 3 to 5 year old child that prefers opposite gender toys? (the "T" in LGBTQ)

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-yes it is sin for l's
-yes it is sin for z's
-yes it is sin for b's

It is a ridiculous assertion that a 3-5 yr old that picks up the opposite gender toy is a T!
I mean, are you out of your mind?

There were 3 boys and one girl in my house growing up (not incl. parents) and my sister had dolls and I remember there were instances where one of us boys would pick up her Ken & Barbie dolls and make like they were making out. Thats just kids messing around and it doesnt make any of us T's. Stop trying to include children in your delusions.

Do you know what transgender means? Those are mentally disturbed people and not children who are acting in play. Little boys want to do what Dad does. Little girls want to do what Mommy does! The little boys want toy guns because they see thay Dad has a gun at home. The little girls want dolls because they see mommy raising babies.

If there is an exception to that rule ever and some certain girl thought she was boy since age 2 or some crazy thing like that...then maybe it wasnt a good idea to let cousin vinne babysit the baby that one summer when she was small...you think?

Don't you believe the word of God is true?

 

[RedFan]

Is it sin when... ???
- A lesbian individual isn't acting on same-sex urges? (the "L" in LGBTQ)
- A gay individual isn't acting on same-sex urges? (the "G" in LGBTQ)
- A bisexual individual isn't acting on same-sex urges? (the "B" in LGBTQ)
- What about a 3 to 5 year old child that prefers opposite gender toys? (the "T" in LGBTQ)

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As far as I know, only homosexual behavior is declared sinful by Scripture. So one's non-action on a same-sex urge shouldn't be problematic for the non-actor.

 

[Wrangler]

Why do I hear so often that I should not judge and that only God is to judge. Has nobody ever read 1 Corinthians 6:2...

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Because Christianity has been feminized, over emphasis on meekness and undermining exercising our rightful authority in this world, dominion.

I passionately hate the song, ‘when I fight, I’ll fight on my knees.”

 

[Peterlag]

Because Christianity has been feminized, over emphasis on meekness and undermining exercising our rightful authority in this world, dominion.

I passionately hate the song, ‘when I fight, I’ll fight on my knees.”

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Because Christianity has been feminized ha?

Reminds me of when I pointed my finger at her and yelled across the room saying "You Don't Have Any Balls." To which she replied with a little smirk on her face "you're right... I don't have any balls."

 

[CadyandZoe]

Being a homosexual or gender confused is not a sin.

There is no such thing as "being" a homosexual without homosexual behavior. If a man never has sex, he is a celibate male. And there is no confusion over gender for rational people who know the difference between male genitalia and female genitalia.

And you can be born with it.

All males are born with an orientation toward females. All females are born with an orientation toward males. Any other orientation is a learned psychological deviancy.

It all comes down to love and patience for your fellow men and women.

Be careful how you love. Let not your love be seen as agreement.

 

[CadyandZoe]

All of us were not there yet. There were no Christians when Jesus spoke in the Gospels. Much of what he said he said to the Jewish people and not to us. Do you need an example? The Lords prayer: Give us our daily bread. The Christian cannot pray that because they already have everything in Christ.

Jesus' disciples weren't Christian?

 

[Grailhunter]

There is no such thing as "being" a homosexual without homosexual behavior. If a man never has sex, he is a celibate male. And there is no confusion over gender for rational people who know the difference between male genitalia and female genitalia.

All males are born with an orientation toward females. All females are born with an orientation toward males. Any other orientation is a learned psychological deviancy.

Be careful how you love. Let not your love be seen as agreement.

Homosexual whether they have sex or not.
Heterosexual whether they have sex or not.
It is kind of like alcoholics….they are alcoholics whether they drink or not.
Allergic to bee stings whether you get stung or not.
Horrible drivers are horrible drivers whether they drive or not. LOL

If they are attracted to the same sex, they are homosexuals even if they do not sex.
And they can be born that way, especially bad drivers. LOL

 

[CadyandZoe]

I was going to respond to this but is it easier to say I disagree with everything you said.

The concept that people have various sexual orientations, i.e. genders is not Biblical and it certainly doesn't make sense in the real world.

If you have the time, try doing a bit of research into the sexual practices of post-war Germany. What happens when an entire country is without food and starving to death?