The Key to Discipleship

[Ritajanice]

Sister, I agree with this......IF we are willing. I believe He will get our will in harmony with His IF we are willing to allow Him to. That's why David prayed for a willing spirit and we sometimes need to as well. It doesnt' seem that the Lord will normally over-rule our will when it concerns our personal journey with Him, so if we find we are not willing in some area we need to become willing to be made willing, and seek the Lord to make us willing. Hope that makes sense....bit of a mouthful there.

Yes, but imo/ belief, he will always get our will in line with his, as we are Born Again, we are his, if that makes sense, what happens if we know his will in an area of our life , would you disobey his will?

I certainly wouldn’t, there would be severe consequences if we did, imo.....when he speaks to our heart, we best be listening, once we understand what he’s saying to our heart.....just my thoughts,Sis.

 

[Behold]

I never said that Behold. You are missing the meaning of the term in context with how Paul used it. It is AFTER we win someone to Christ is the concern.....think about it for some time and reread some of my posts...

This is the last time I will come to my defense in conversion with you on this subject that should be clear to you by now.

Let me show you the teaching..

This is in Philippians, and you can find it.
Just use a real bible, and not a NIV, as if you try to understand Christianity using an NIV you'll end up confused.

Paul said...

1.) """that I may know him, and the power of HIS resurrection""""

so, as Paul has left all self righteousness, and now is become..."not I who live, but Christ lives in me".

= "i die daily"

= "Christ always gives me the Victory"

and Reader..... here is the interesting part, as Paul had finished his "course"..

Paul said...

= """ Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.""

Now, notice the "not as tho i had already attained".

See that part?

That is Paul referring to this.....

""""pre-destined to be conformed INTO the Image of Christ".... and that happens AFTER you die, and that is why Paul said he had not attained it, but was pressing TOWARD that = "high calling"""".

So, as the born again.... we can't have that on Earth, because that is what God performs in eternity, after we are Raptured or die.

But, what we can have and Paul instructs us to have is down here.... is..

1.) """Work out your Salvation"""

to become..

2.) "as many as Be perfect" and that is not your discipleship...... that is the full attainment of revelation knowledge regarding what it means to have become a : "new Creation in Christ"..

And once the BELIEVER has done so....

You end up here..

3.) """"The fullness of the Stature of Christ".""

 

[Behold]

Yes--this is what separates OSAS from others--if we lose our willingness to be obedient, and do so continually, we grieve the Spirit, and IMO, are lost.

Being born again, can't be ended because you are not a good person after you are saved.

See, SALVATION is not given to you because you were good... It was given to you because you are a lost, hell bound, sinner.

= "Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"....

And once they are SAVED, then that is to be born again... And being born again is a BIRTH, and you can't end a birth.

A BELIEVER, can't stop being born again.

"but what if i "..

A BELIEVER Can't STOP being born again.


"but what if my faith is dead".


A BELIEVER who is BORN AGAIN, can't stop being born again.

"but what if i"
"but what if i"
"but what if i"

"but, but, but, but""


A born again Believer, can't stop being born again.
You can't end a BIRTH by bad behavior.
Just ask your mother.
Just ask GOD who birthed all the BORN AGAIN.

 

[Ritajanice]

Peter​

1 Peter 1:23-24 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. For,

“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of the Lord endures forever.”
And this is the word that was preached to you.


The word of God is his “ Living “ word....

 

[Episkopos]

Being born again, can't be ended because you are not a good person after you are saved.

See, SALVATION is not given to you because you were good... It was given to you because you are a lost, hell bound, sinner.

= "Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"....

And once they are SAVED, then that is to be born again... And being born again is a BIRTH, and you can't end a birth.

A BELIEVER, can't stop being born again.

"but what if i "..

A BELIEVER Can't STOP being born again.


"but what if my faith is dead".


A BELIEVER who is BORN AGAIN, can't stop being born again.

"but what if i"
"but what if i"
"but what if i"

"but, but, but, but""


A born again Believer, can't stop being born again.
You can't end a BIRTH by bad behavior.
Just ask your mother.
Just ask GOD who birthed all the BORN AGAIN.

"I brought you into this world and I can take you out" Bill Cosby

(something that God could concur with)

This idea of being continually being born again...like a baby perpetually stuck in the birth canal...always taking that very first step...almost alive...basically a spiritual stillbirth, in slow motion.


"Being born again, can't be ended because you are not a good person after you are saved."

And Behold testifying that he is not a good person...sounds right. Being born again can't be ended since there is no end to being born again...or so it seems for those who name and claim things as if they were understood.

 

[Lizbeth]

Yes--this is what separates OSAS from others--if we lose our willingness to be obedient, and do so continually, we grieve the Spirit, and IMO, are lost.

Amen. Obedience....is HOW we follow Him as disciples. That is the Way to where He is. If we aren't following/obeying then we must be somewhere He is not. AKA lost, and that one would need to get back on the narrow path of obeying Him again. And sometimes there is the matter of needing to count the cost at certain junctures along the Way.

 

[Behold]

"I brought you into this world and I can take you out" Bill Cosby

(something that God could concur with)

Well, first of all, it was your mother who "brought you into this world".. unless you were hatched or came from Pluto.
And its possible that you did @Episkopos., as you dont seem to understand anything related to the NT, or even common sense, according to your posts, Threads, and Videos.

Also, if God took you out of this world, then that is the body dying, not the spirit, ending.

Your last heartbeat does not end you, it just ends your body's ability to keep breathing.

And if the person is born again, then as they are already "in Christ" and "one with God"..... then that explains why Paul said.

" willing rather...to be absent from the body, .. and be present with the LORD".

But if the person is just religious but lost....then they die here..

John 3:36

And so, when THEY leave their body, its not going to be a happy landing as ending up in Hell is not a happy situation.

 

[APAK]

Yes--this is what separates OSAS from others--if we lose our willingness to be obedient, and do so continually, we grieve the Spirit, and IMO, are lost.

Hi, Cassandra...my quick thoughts and heartfelt vibrations and view on your subject....

Yes, I can easily see how this subject of Paul's view of maturing in Christ, can quickly move to the OSAS discussion, or especially to the opposing camp's view on OS not always saved. As if we can truly become unsaved or ceased to be saved once we are in the spirit of Christ and also if we do not have the same attitude and zeal as Paul, and if we sometimes grieve the Spirit of God.

Losing out willing to be obedient is not possible under the firm grip of the Spirit of God with his Son's spirit residing within us. They are there to stay and develop the new person from the ruins of the old. They are not Indian-givers and are trustworthy on their word - we are not and cannot be trusted at times

We may at times fall into sin and become disobedient and therefore not be obedient to the will of God, as we might see it and become emotional about it and even cry, and as the outside world of non-believers see us. Even as believers we are not perfect of ourselves and sinless, although according to the word of God we are perfect and sinless. This is not a paradox if we take ourselves out of the equation and go on faith in the word and by the spirit of Christ.

If you or I are committed and know for sure we are being saved today and sense the tug of God within us from time to time, we are surely still being saved and growing and walk in Christ as we have his spirit.

God does not play our game of human mental confusion and guessing our future, and go in and out of us when we think we have 'fallen' and then imagine we may be lost, and then attempt to do work to regain God's attention and sainthood. We began this holy and righteous walk and accepted his terms and tune and he is now in control. And as we comply more and more in time, the faster we mature as a saint of God.

...................and there's more of course...

 

[Lizbeth]

Peter​

1 Peter 1:23-24 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. For,

“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of the Lord endures forever.”
And this is the word that was preached to you.


The word of God is his “ Living “ word....

Yes, His word is truth......and always will be, eternally. That is the word we receive into ourselves when we come to faith, amen. But that doesn't necessarily mean His word will always remain IN someone should they go astray permanently. One of the lessons we the church are to learn from Israel's example ("these things happened to them for ensamples") is that it is possible for the Spirit that was once in our temple, to depart - "ichabod".

2Pe 2:19-22

While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

 

[Behold]

If you or I are committed and know for sure we are being saved today and sense the tug of God within us from time to time, we are surely still being saved and growing and walk in Christ as we have his spirit.

Do not put conditions on God's "Gift of Salvation".

God didn't save anyone because of their Commitment.
And so, if you change the Cross of Christ, which is the Gospel, into "as long as im committed" then you are denying The Cross.

Also, we are not "being saved" we are BORN AGAIN, and that is proof that we ARE Saved.

So, if you are trying to BE Saved then you are trying to SAVE YOURSELF< and that is not Trust in Christ, @APAK

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, His word is truth......and always will be, eternally. That is the word we receive into ourselves when we come to faith, amen. But that doesn't necessarily mean His word will always remain IN someone should they go astray permanently. One of the lessons we the church are to learn from Israel's example ("these things happened to them for ensamples") is that it is possible for the Spirit that was once in our temple, to depart - "ichabod".

Ok, well you are entitled to voice what you believe.

For me, imo/ belief, I cannot be un Born of the Spirit, I have been Born Again of imperishable seed, which liveth and abideth forever.

Gods Living word will always remain in the heart of his child, if it didn’t then he would be a liar, he’s certainly not a liar,....once our spirit has been Born Again..that’s it a done deal ,we are his,...The Spirit testifies with our spirit all day every day that we are Gods children, he has taken up permanent residence in our heart....which is his word, his word is his seed, his seed is the Holy Spirit....which is Alive and Active.

The Spirit witnesses the truth of Gods word to our heart, he can only do that if our spirit has been Born Again, Spirit gives birth to spirit...that is the supernatural spiritual rebirth..just like flesh gives birth to flesh...the human birth......mind blowing.

Ps..a Born Again is always in communion with God, via his Spirit, we have no where to go,we are Gods children...we can only look to him..of course this all takes time to understand in the Spirit.

 

[Behold]

One of the lessons we the church are to learn from Israel's example ("these things happened to them for ensamples") is that it is possible for the Spirit that was once in our temple, to depart - "ichabod".

No Old Testament Jew was born again.
None of them were "sealed with the Spirit".

See, you can't be born again, until there is a Cross of Christ.
This can't be found in the OT..

So, being Born again, is not something you can lose, like its your purse, or your mind, or your bank account or your car keys.

See, when a believer has become "the Temple of the Holy Spirit" . that is Eternal.
Its not "today i have it but tomorrow, if im not good, then .. lost it".

You can't lose, JESUS, who is in all the Born again.
He's not going anywhere.
The born again can't stop being 'in Christ".

 

[Ritajanice]

The born again can't stop being 'in Christ".

I think we have to learn that though, don’t we, Brother?

We’re all at different levels of spiritual understanding, don’t you think?

 

[Lizbeth]

@Ritajanice Read Ez 8, 9,10, 11 to see the sins of Israel and the progression of the glory of the Lord (His Spirit) departing the temple and city.

Ok, well you are entitled to voice what you believe.

For me, imo/ belief, I cannot be un Born of the Spirit, I have been Born Again of imperishable seed, which liveth and abideth forever.

Gods Living word will always remain in the heart of his child, if it didn’t then he would be a liar, he’s certainly not a liar,....once our spirit has been Born Again..that’s it a done deal ,we are his,...The Spirit testifies with our spirit all day every day that we are Gods children, he has taken up permanent residence in our heart....which is his word, his word is his seed, his seed is the Holy Spirit....which is Alive and Active.

The Spirit witnesses the truth of Gods word to our heart, he can only do that if our spirit has been Born Again, Spirit gives birth to spirit...that is the supernatural spiritual rebirth..just like flesh gives birth to flesh...the human birth......mind blowing.

Ps..a Born Again is always in communion with God, via his Spirit, we have no where to go,we are Gods children...we can only look to him..of course this all takes time to understand in the Spirit.

Read Ez. 8,9,10,11 if you will, to see the sins of Israel and the progression of God's spirit (glory) departing the temple and city. We are to take warning from that.

 

[Lizbeth]

No Old Testament Jew was born again.
None of them were "sealed with the Spirit".

See, you can't be born again, until there is a Cross of Christ.
This can't be found in the OT..

So, being Born again, is not something you can lose, like its your purse, or your mind, or your bank account or your car keys.

See, when a believer has become "the Temple of the Holy Spirit" . that is Eternal.
Its not "today i have it but tomorrow, if im not good, then .. lost it".

You can't lose, JESUS, who is in all the Born again.
He's not going anywhere.
The born again can't stop being 'in Christ".

"These things happened to them for ensamples".........? The Lord changeth not.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice Read Ez 8, 9,10, 11 to see the sins of Israel and the progression of the glory of the Lord (His Spirit) departing the temple and city.

Read Ez. 8,9,10,11 if you will, to see the sins of Israel and the progression of God's spirit (glory) departing the temple and city. We are to take warning from that.

If I may say Lizbeth, that scripture isn’t talking to me, I’m in the Spirit, I can only hear from the Holy Spirit, as I’ve explained, I have been Born Again of imperishable seed, my question is, what has the sins of Israel got to do with me?

When I’m led by the Living Holy Spirit, who is in control of my life, he chose me for his purpose and plan...my spirit is in God,Spirit gives birth to spirit..I am not my own, plus I was bought for a price.

1 Corinthians 6:20

King James Version

​

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

[Behold]

I think we have to learn that though, don’t we, Brother?

We’re all at different levels of spiritual understanding, don’t you think?

Here is what happens.

a person Trusts in Christ.
And "faith is counted"

You take Christ, God takes you.

So, there is no confusion about it...... The person is just happy.

But then...

They go to a forum, or to a church, or here comes a family member, or they read a commentary, or the Devil directs them to verses that they are not ready for, yet.

And in seconds......they now believe that their Salvation isn't eternal.

So, that is what happens.

The Devil can't take us to Hell, so, He tries to ruin our FAITH.
And once its ruined, then the person doubts their Salvation.
That's the PROOF.
And once that is fully evolved, they come to forums and go to pulpits and make videos that try to prove that you can lose your salvation.

 

[Ritajanice]

And in seconds......they now believe that their Salvation isn't eternal.

We’re they weak in their faith to believe that?

 

[APAK]

Do not put conditions on God's "Gift of Salvation".

God didn't save anyone because of their Commitment.
And so, if you change the Cross of Christ, which is the Gospel, into "as long as im committed" then you are denying The Cross.

Also, we are not "being saved" we are BORN AGAIN, and that is proof that we ARE Saved.

So, if you are trying to BE Saved then you are trying to SAVE YOURSELF< and that is not Trust in Christ, @APAK

Nobody is changing anything Behold, calm down. As a believer I'm eager to serve if that makes you more comfortable than saying a 'committed.' I do not write or think as you sometimes Behold. Give me a little slack...you get extreme in your thinking at times imo...no harm no foul though

 

[Ritajanice]

As a believer I'm eager to serve if that makes you more comfortable than saying a 'committed.' I do not write or think as you sometimes Behold. Give me a little slack...you get extreme in your thinking at times imo...no harm no foul though

I think the Spirit relays his message to us so differently, what do you think?

I must admit I’ve got extreme in my thinking, I’ve even told members how they should become Born Again,hehehe..

Seriously, we’re all learning, I know I am, I enjoy reading your posts APAX...the Spirit speaks to me through them...of course I don’t understand everything..as I’m still growing and maturing in the Spirit..until the day I die..