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MatthewG

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”My dear brothers and sisters, you are believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ. So don’t treat some people better than others.

Suppose someone comes into your meeting wearing very nice clothes and a gold ring. At the same time a poor person comes in wearing old, dirty clothes. You show special attention to the person wearing nice clothes.

You say, “Sit here in this good seat.” But you say to the poor person, “Stand there!” or “Sit on the floor by our feet!” Doesn’t this show that you think some people are more important than others? You set yourselves up as judges—judges who make bad decisions. Listen, my dear brothers and sisters. God chose the poor people in the world to be rich in faith.

He chose them to receive the kingdom God promised to those who love him. But you show no respect to those who are poor. And you know that the rich are the ones who always try to control your lives. And they are the ones who take you to court.

And the rich are the ones who insult the wonderful name of Christ, the name by which you are known. One law rules over all other laws.

This royal law is found in the Scriptures: “Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself.” If you obey this law, you are doing right. But if you are treating one person as more important than another, you are sinning. You are guilty of breaking God’s law. You might follow all of God’s law.

But if you fail to obey only one command, you are guilty of breaking all the commands in that law. God said, “Don’t commit adultery.”

The same God also said, “Don’t kill.” So if you don’t commit adultery, but you kill someone, you are guilty of breaking all of God’s law.

You will be judged by the law that makes people free. You should remember this in everything you say and do. Yes, you must show mercy to others. If you do not show mercy, then God will not show mercy to you when he judges you. But the one who shows mercy can stand without fear before the Judge.

My brothers and sisters, if a person claims to have faith but does nothing, that faith is worth nothing. Faith like that cannot save anyone. Suppose a brother or sister in Christ comes to you in need of clothes or something to eat. And you say to them, “God be with you! I hope you stay warm and get plenty to eat,” but you don’t give them the things they need.

If you don’t help them, your words are worthless. It is the same with faith.

If it is just faith and nothing more—if it doesn’t do anything—it is dead. But someone might argue, “Some people have faith, and others have good works.”

My answer would be that you can’t show me your faith if you don’t do anything. But I will show you my faith by the good I do. You believe there is one God. That’s good, but even the demons believe that! And they shake with fear. You fool! Faith that does nothing is worth nothing.

Do you want me to prove this to you? Our father Abraham was made right with God by what he did. He offered his son Isaac to God on the altar. So you see that Abraham’s faith and what he did worked together. His faith was made perfect by what he did.

This shows the full meaning of the Scriptures that say, “Abraham believed God, and because of this faith he was accepted as one who is right with God.” Abraham was called “God’s friend.” So you see that people are made right with God by what they do. They cannot be made right by faith alone.

Another example is Rahab. She was a prostitute, but she was made right with God by something she did. She helped those who were spying for God’s people. She welcomed them into her home and helped them escape by a different road. A person’s body that does not have a spirit is dead. It is the same with faith—faith that does nothing is dead!“
‭‭James‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭26‬ ‭ERV‬‬
 

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Faith that produces no works. Is just as dead as a body without a soul.

”So I tell you, live the way the Spirit leads you. Then you will not do the evil things your sinful self wants. The sinful self wants what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit wants what is against the sinful self. They are always fighting against each other, so that you don’t do what you really want to do. But if you let the Spirit lead you, you are not under law. The wrong things the sinful self does are clear: committing sexual sin, being morally bad, doing all kinds of shameful things, worshiping false gods, taking part in witchcraft, hating people, causing trouble, being jealous, angry or selfish, causing people to argue and divide into separate groups, being filled with envy, getting drunk, having wild parties, and doing other things like this. I warn you now as I warned you before: The people who do these things will not have a part in God’s kingdom. But the fruit that the Spirit produces in a person’s life is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these kinds of things. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their sinful self. They have given up their old selfish feelings and the evil things they wanted to do. We get our new life from the Spirit, so we should follow the Spirit. We must not feel proud and boast about ourselves. We must not cause trouble for each other or be jealous of each other.“
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭16‬-‭26‬ ‭ERV‬‬
 

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Because you simply like many others….
Say… works, works, works….BUT NEVER define what YOU mean by works….and leave it as …. GENERAL “works”….when SCRIPTURE IS VERY SPECIFIC!
OK,,,,,Please give those "very specific" passages from Scripture that back up your statement!!

Patient Mary
 

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Works to BE MADE SANCTIFIED…..
IS EXPRESSLY TWO WORKS….
HEARTFULLY BELIEVE and CONFESS “THAT” BELIEF.
Dear Taken,

Where does Scripture say that the only works I must do to be made sanctified is belief and confession of that belief?

 

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WORKS…in the general sense…being kind to others, lending a helping hand, blah, blah…
ARE NOT WORKS that SAVE A MAN …
“Nor” KEEP his salvation secure.
Dear, dear taken,

Your OPINION is completely opposite of what Scripture says:

Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven:

What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? I
f a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?
 

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You are of your own opinion that matters none to me.

I trust what Gods SAYS…
Those who ARE Sanctified ARE Forever WITH God.

Acts 20:
[32] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Heb 10:
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

You preaching the Sanctified-ED can lose their Sanctification is rubbish.
God CAN NOT LIE!

Prayers for you that you stop wandering and giggling in delusional darkness.

Glory to God,
Taken
Dear dear taken

Yes, if one reads those passage without looking at the entire context of those passages AND all of Scripture, what your men have taught you is true. I am not preaching that the sanctified can lose the sanctification. Scripture teaches that! Scripture is clear about that.

At your next bible study with your men, I beg you to PLEASE sneak off into a side room, study those cherry-picked verses in CONTEXT
OR get with someone outside your group of men you study with and get a different opinion.

I am not wandering kiddo nor in darkness kiddo. I am adhering to the 2,000 year teaching of Christianity. YOU are adhering to the most recent teaching of your men and when you see a new shiny teaching that you like from other men you will run to that. Always chasing the new shiny thing....

And last but not least! I am giggling; at you. I know I shouldn't be since you have been led astray by some strange teachings of men!!
 

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OK,,,,,Please give those "very specific" passages from Scripture that back up your statement!!

Patient Mary

You are Deflecting…
You again have avoided defining “works” necessary to receive salvation.
 

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You are of your own opinion that matters none to me.

I trust what Gods SAYS…
Those who ARE Sanctified ARE Forever WITH God.

Acts 20:
[32] And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Heb 10:
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

You preaching the Sanctified-ED can lose their Sanctification is rubbish.
God CAN NOT LIE!

Prayers for you that you stop wandering and giggling in delusional darkness.

Glory to God,
Taken
Ok...You trust what God says. You have been taught that Scripture teaches "Those who ARE Sanctified ARE Forever WITH God."

I am going to suspend everything I already know about Scripture and act like a newbie Christian.

As a newbie Christian and anxious to be saved forever I would ask you: Preacher Taken, how do I become sanctified so that I am forever with God?
 

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Do you believe that Water Baptism is Jesus on the Cross who is the SAVIOR?

Do you believe that Water Baptism died on the Cross for your Sin? ?

When Jesus Said..... John 14:6 "I am the only WAY to the Father"......that He meant "water is the way"?
I have made it clear that I believe what Scripture says: "baptism doth also now save us"

You have made it clear that you don't believe what Scripture says.

What more do you want from me kiddo?
 

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Once saved, always saved is a myth.

Dont fight about it but explain why or why not?

I don’t believe it is viable because of Jesus parable of the sower. Also when Jesus explains you most abide in him. Also when Jesus talks about those who say lord lord let us in.

It is just a myth that is a lie; as much as people going to hell today is, and that Satan is out to get you still, praise God for the victory of Jesus Christ!

Then how do you explain these scriptures sounds to me once the Lord has you, you can't be lost or you were never had to begin with?:

John 10:27-29 King James Version​

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
 

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Then how do you explain these scriptures sounds to me once the Lord has you, you can't be lost or you were never had to begin with?:

John 10:27-29 King James Version​

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

It just comes down to renouncing your prior stance. I believe Jesus is speaking about his specifically chosen apostles that would go on to do the will of God. Those ones he calls out to follow him and they did. Was him choosing them, and not them choosing him, though they choose to follow.
 

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It just comes down to renouncing your prior stance. I believe Jesus is speaking about his specifically chosen apostles that would go on to do the will of God. Those ones he calls out to follow him and they did. Was him choosing them, and not them choosing him, though they choose to follow.
Well that doesn't fit to me because look at Judas.
 

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Dear Taken,

Where does Scripture say that the only works I must do to be made sanctified is belief and confession of that belief?


Matt 4:
[10] Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

John 6:
[28] Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

ORDER….you.
WAY………condition.

Rom 10:
[9] That if (the condition) thou (you) shalt confess with thy (your) mouth the Lord Jesus, and (the condition) believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, THEN thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

IF..THEN Gods Order and Way to Establish Gods Required WORKS to Receive SALVATION….”ONCE” and “FOREVER”…

Not ONE Scripture teaches, “ONCE” Salvation is Given a man (from God), that that mans SALVATION can be or is EVER removed.

John 16:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

ONCE….a man IS SAVED…he IS SAVED
According to the Lord God…
FOREVER

Why do you not believe God?

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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You posted a part of the verse to try to teach "cult of mary" (water cult) lie.

Here is the verse...........

21: The like FIGURE = whereunto even baptism doth also now save us

Se that? That means "symbolically" = "FIGURE"..

Not LITERALLY.

You crack me up with your cult of Mary, water cult quips.

Yup, water (the like figure) is used during baptism to save us. What else does it do kiddo? Washes away our sins. We receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Saves us!

WHAT? Wait a minute. This "SYMBOL" sure does do a lot of things soooo it must be more than the symbol that you wolves in sheep clothing have taught you. RUN BEHOLD, RUN from those wolves.

proudly a member of the water cult.......Mary
 

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Yup, water (the like figure) is used during baptism to save us.

If God accepts water to wash away sin, then your "cult of mary" is true.

If instead, God only accepts the Blood of Jesus, shed on the Cross and the Death of Jesus, as the sacrifice for your sin, then your cult is a problem for you that you may never realize until you die.

And if you say.. ."its blood and water" that God accepts to SAVE YOU"""" then you Just Denied the Cross, as there is no WATER nailed to the Cross @Marymog

Maybe you dont understand that... /???

Maybe you can't?

Seems so...

And no doubt you'll post the proof in your next 150 posts.

See you there.
 

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He did what was proposed in Gods will. He was placed by Paul.

It’s up to you to choose, don’t believe me, @Cyd.

Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
 
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Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
That was done without the choice of Jesus. Sorry. It was a manmade choosing there, never hear from mattais ever again. It was Paul who was chosen to be the 12th. But you can disagree.
 

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He did what was proposed in Gods will.

God does not will people to be drug addicts.
God does not will people to be child molesters
God does not will people to be deceived by the Devil.

God didn't "Will Judas" to be a betrayer of The Lord.

But God KNEW he would.. .and Jesus said so..

1.) """One of you is A Devil"""

2.) """What you are going to do, do quickly'"


See that?
That is not Jesus causing someone to be a Devil, nor is the God-Man causing Judas to run out and take the silver coins.

That is the "foreknowledge of God", being Spoken by "GOD manifested in the Flesh".
 
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