Once saved, always saved is a myth.

[Ritajanice]

Your questions, that make no sense to me, has nothing to do with the passage I quoted.

Mary

Ok, your answer that my post makes no sense to you..is understandable....thank you.

 

[Marymog]

That is the crux of OSAS…you reject.

Scripture rejects OSAS so I reject it. We must be sinless to be saved. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Your theory (what your men have taught you) is that once we are saved we are always saved. You are deceiving yourself therefore the truth is not in you or your theory.

 

[Behold]

Scripture rejects OSAS

God rejects the Cross rejecting LIE that = "water washes your sin away".

You should too, @Marymog

 

[Ritajanice]

And when they are SAVED.. born again...= they EXIT Damnation, and enter "eternal life", "in Christ".. "One with God".

Thank you for explaining and yes, I agree with this....only I would say we are Born Again then saved from eternal damnation ....

Both on the same page....xx

 

[Behold]

Thank you for explaining and yes, I agree with this....only I would say we are Born Again then saved from eternal damnation ....

Both on the same page....xx

XX

Born again, is to become "one with God", so, that is certainly to be eternally saved from damnation.

Jesus said.. """ I came to seek and SAVE that which is LOST">.

And God knows that the John 3:36 unbelievers are LOST.......so very lost.

 

[Ritajanice]

God rejects the Cross rejecting LIE that = "water washes your sin away".

1 Corinthians 2:14

King James Version

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14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Ritajanice]

XX

Born again, is to become "one with God", so, that is certainly to be eternally saved from damnation.

Jesus said.. """ I came to seek and SAVE that which is LOST">.

And God knows that the John 3:36 unbelievers are LOST.......so very lost.

Amen!!...

 

[Ritajanice]

◄ Romans 8:9 ►

Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. New King James Version But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. American Standard Version But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Berean Study Bible You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

 

[Marymog]

Ok, your answer that my post makes no sense to you..is understandable....thank you.

Lol...c'mon Ritajanice.

First off, your questions have NOTHING to do with the quote from passage that I provided soooo why would I want to go down a rabbit hole that leads to what YOU want to talk about and ignore what I quoted?

But, I will appease you. Word your questions where they make sense, and I will answer them.

I will preliminarily answer your questions the way I THINK you mean them:

Do you believe you can believe in Jesus without His Spirit? Jesus and His Spirit are one soooo no, a person cannot believe in Jesus without believing in His Spirit. If you believe in one, you believe in the other.

Or do we need his Spirit to believe in Jesus, that he died and was resurrected....I’m just wondering how we would know this, without his Spirit witnessing Gods truth to our spirit? Jesus and His Spirit are one soooo YES, we need his Spirit to witness to God's truth.

In other words...how can we truly know God without His Spirit? God, Jesus and the Spirit are One so we can't truly know God without His Spirit. If you know one you know the other.

 

[APAK]

I always give this verse...
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Maybe you should give more, many more verses to do justice to this subject, and therefore add critical context in the future?

I don't think you have developed the full thought of the Spirit of God here. Try rereading the verse passage and continue on to at least verse 29. A subject as important as this one cannot be take likely with a part sound-bite knee-jerk response I would think.

 

[Marymog]

God rejects the Cross rejecting LIE that = "water washes your sin away".

You should too, @Marymog

Scripture proves you to be a false teacher:

Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins,

 

[Behold]

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Amen.

And the BIBLE is Spiritual.

So, when an unbeliever tries to understand it, or when a deceived "mind blinded" believer tries to understand it..

Then that is like a Horse trying to read a Road Map to China.

It can't be done, as all things with CHRISTianity are Spiritual, and so, we learn by The Spirit, we grow by The Spirit, and we Love by The Spirit.

All This is God's Grace as our spiritual POWER., and when we dont understand how to do that, then we are..

Jesus said.."apart from me you can do NOTHING".

 

[Ritajanice]

Amen.

And the BIBLE is Spiritual.

So, when an unbeliever tries to understand it, or when a deceived "mind blinded" believer tries to understand it..

Then that is like a Horse trying to read a Road Map to China.

It can't be done, as all things with CHRISTianity are Spiritual, and so, we learn by The Spirit, we grow by The Spirit, and we Love by The Spirit.

All This is God's Grace as our spiritual POWER., and when we dont understand how to do that, then we are..

Jesus said.."apart from me you can do NOTHING".

Amen!!!!...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Great Question.

Thank you..

Answer.....

Every unbeliever is... John 3:36.....right now.

They are IN Damnation.., right now., still breathing.

And when they are SAVED.. born again...= they EXIT Damnation, and enter "eternal life", "in Christ".. "One with God".


See, the unbelievers are not waiting to be damned..
They are damned, already.. and are waiting to die to end up where the DAMNED, end up.

This is the "2nd Death"

The 1st Death is.. "In Adam we all DIE"

The 2nd Death is.. "eternal damnation after your die".

Christ came to end that for them..
He came to offer them a WAY OUT.. THE CROSS OF CHRIST = so that they END UP< with Him, after they die., and with Him down here, as "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory".. having become a born again believer = "The Temple OF.. THE.. HOLY Spirit".

See that Temple?

That is to become "seated in Heavenly places IN CHRIST" and that ONE will never end up "damned, in Hell".

Amen,

John 3: 16 the greatest gospel message in the word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God rejects the Cross rejecting LIE that = "water washes your sin away".

You should too, @Marymog

She is to busy listening to Men.. then screaming at us for "private interpretation" nonsense

 

[MatthewG]

It’s the bickering and back and forth of religiosity which gets in the way.

How many people here have taken time to read all the apostolic record before? I mean from Matthew - Revelation.

 

[Taken]

Lol....why can't you just answer the question using Scripture to back up your answer?

Already have. Not going to repeat what was already given you on multiple occasions by multiple people.
Not my responsibility to read for you what you other ignore or do not comprehend.

 

[Marymog]

She is to busy listening to Men.. then screaming at us for "private interpretation" nonsense

Lol....so says the person who listens to themselves? A man I presume?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It’s the bickering and back and forth of religiosity which gets in the way.

How many people here have taken time to read all the apostolic record before? I mean from Matthew - Revelation.

Many times.

The back and forth comes from apposing views at odds with each other.

When it comes to the gospel. this is nto a laughing matter, get this wrong. and we are headed to hell.

there is only 1 gospel. we can not all be right

 

[Taken]

Asking a question does not answer my question. You fancy yourself a teacher

Don’t confuse me with BOL….LOL

Asking a question does not answer my question.

You have been answered multiple times.
You have been TOLD multiple times you have been answered.
THEN, you were asked a question…

I can not be responsible for your failure to comprehend or refuse to answer.

dodgeball

Perhaps you think discussing spiritual things is comparable to game playing…I don’t.

Teach me The Word.

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