The Gospel of Reconciliation

[Behold]

That is your error in understanding the meaning of words and context,. Check the meaning of quickened?

I dont have to check the definition.


As, Im one of them. (born again).

Yes, they were otherwise they would not be in hell. They would no longer exist.

You are a spirit being who is experiencing Earth, in an Earth suit.

Your suit is going to die and go back to the surface of the earth, while your spirit is going to end up somewhere else.

See The Cross OF CHRIST....= regarding where you will end up after your Body dies @Rightglory

 

[APAK]

We cannot reconcile ourselves to God by works, laws or religion. The Catholic church cannot reconcile anyone to God. If you believe that it can, you have been deceived. Many believe that they can reconcile themselves to God by keeping the commandments. Others believe that they can reconcile themselves to God by living holy lives. If you believe that you can do something or become something that will reconcile you into God, you have been deceived.

Why is this so? It is so, because we have ALREADY been reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ. Multitudes are trying to do in their flesh through works, laws and religion what God has ALREADY done in Jesus Christ.

"God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed unto us the word of reconciliation" 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Before we were ever born Jesus had ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God. This is the good news of the Gospel. God now stands before us with open arms saying... "Though your sins be as scarlet, they can be as white as snow" Isaiah 1:18. God offers reconciliation to everyone that wants it. If you don't want to be reconciled unto God, you don't have to. God is not going to threaten you. It's your choice.

Those that have rejected God's offer of reconciliation through Jesus Christ and are trying to reconcile themselves to God through works, laws and religion are still enemies with God. When they die in their sins, they will go into the judgment and be judged and condemned. God has done all that he can do to save us and reconcile us to himself through Jesus Christ. All that we have to do to be saved is to accept our reconciler, who is Jesus Christ and God's offer to be reconciled.

I came late to this party and I've missed a lot of the discussions in this thread already I see.

Just viewing this OP I see at least the last sentence needing much more explanation and unpacking.

"All that we have to do to be saved is to accept our reconciler, who is Jesus Christ and God's offer to be reconciled."

How has it worked out for you thus far?

From a broad historical perspective, I see that God's purpose and plan to reconcile us to himself, began since Eden, since the 'fall' of Adam. And in each generation there were only a 'few' or only a remnant who met God's requirements for it. And today it is not different; only a few of each gen is reconciled by design and purpose of God's plan. Only a few are his elect by design, for his pleasure. This view is sometime hard for folks to understand and swallow.

The key component of Reconciliation is meeting God's requirements for salvation, regardless of the generation, since Adam.

Today, this salvation requirement only flows through God's Son as his instrument that causes reconciliation. And it is to those who God moves towards himself and his Son, in belief to saving faith given and presented by the Spirit of God in the form of his Son's spirit into our own spirit.

(Col 1:19) For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell,
(Col 1:20) and through him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross- yes, to reconcile all things through him, whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens. The Context of Paul’s Preaching
(Col 1:21) And you, being in time past alienated and enemies in your mind in your evil works,
(Col 1:22) yet now has he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish and unreproveable before him.

This miraculous reception of this new imperishable seed within us for new life is God's form of reconciliation today. And there is no other way.

"Though your people, O Israel, be like the sand by the sea, only a remnant will return. Destruction has been decreed, The Lord, the LORD Almighty, will carry out the destruction decreed upon the whole land" ( Isaiah 10:22-23 ).

In speaking to those already being saved...........
(Rom 5:10) " For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. "
(Rom 5:11) " And not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

the remanent is being saved today
(Rom 9:24) " even us, whom He also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? "
(Rom 9:25) " As He said also in Hosea: I will call them My people, who were not My people; and she that was not beloved shall be called beloved. "
(Rom 9:26) " And it shall be, that in the place where it was said to them: You are not My people, there shall they be called children of the living God. "
(Rom 9:27) " And Isaiah cried out concerning Israel: Even if the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, it is only the remnant that shall be saved. "
(Rom 9:28) " For the Lord will execute His word upon the earth, finishing it and cutting it short. "
(Rom 9:29) " And, as Isaiah has said before: Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had become as Sodom and had been made like Gomorrah. "

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[Ritajanice]

I’m trying to wrap my head around that Jesus died spiritually....if that had happened he would have ceased to be God, who came in the flesh.

What say you @Rightglory ?

I apologise if you feel you have been ganged up on, I played a part in questioning you, I also said that you didn’t understand the Living spiritual rebirth, I take that back.i had no right to make that assumption of you.

To be honest, I’ve read some posts on this thread how members believe they have been Born Again, including myself, some of their posts make no sense to me, as I’m sure mine are the same to them.

Looking to the cross and believing, I think to myself ,how can you do that , well, I guess you can look to the cross and believe in your own strength, which is meaningless imo..so, as you see I’m confused over that saying..yet, I’m not one bit confused over my own “ Living “ Spiritual birth as it was Spirit gives birth to spirit...see how we understand our becoming Born Again so very differently.

If you believe that you are Born Again, then that’s between you and God..I used to get accused of not being Born Again, my Faith is that strong now, the reason being, God chose me for his purpose and plan, he chose to birth my spirit into his, he has also given me heart revelation that I am Born Again of HIS imperishable seed, some don’t even know what that means.......all that matters is the Living word of God........we are all Born Again of the same Spirit....yet as you can see on this thread....everyone understands Gods word so very differently, ...as you know I believe Jesus died and was resurrected....I also believe we must be Born Again by the Living Holy Spirit.then I have been made right/ reconciled back to God, via being baptised in His Holy Spirit, a testifying with our spirit that we are children of God.......some say they believe and are Born Again...much more to it than that....you can initially believe in Jesus as God imo brings us to that place, ..then he must give us the Living Spiritual birth....you can’t believe that Jesus died and was resurrected without his Spirit witnessing that to our spirit....my opinion/ testimony and belief.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No, Adam was not created mortal. God permitted it out of mercy to mankind and His creation.

God is the creator of everything, not just somethings.

you got the idea that the sting of death is sin. That is true for every human born. But it was not true for Adam. He brougth death to the world.

Adam brought sin into the world. Death was already here.

Romans 8:18-21

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. ​

Adam didn't subject the creation to futility. God did. He subjected his creation to futility "in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its slavery to corruption." Futility, corruption, and death were built into creation from the very beginning.

Sin condemns anyone who does not confess their sins.

God condemns those who do not repent of their sins.

Sin for us cannot bring physical death.

Death is already part of our physical reality. It was already here when we were born. And it will be here after we die. The "sting" of death is sin, which -- if not forgiven -- will result in permanent nonexistence.

We are already mortal, What it can bring is the Second, eternal spiritual death, hell.

Hell, if it exists, is only a temporary condition. The Lake of Fire is permanent.

That would be very amazing. God created this universe and called it good, But at the same time he created within it its own destruction.

God meant creation was "good: suitable for the story he wants to tell." Contrary to our idiom, "good" doesn't mean "perfect". Remember, God speaks things into existence. When he created light it says, "God said 'Let there be light.'" The creation is a story that God is telling and everything that exists and everything that happens serves his story.

Scripture disagrees with you once again. Death is the Power of Satan, not God. Heb 2:14-16.

You misunderstand. Paul isn't suggesting that the Devil's power is in his ability to cause death. The power of the devil is the FEAR of death. The devil leverages our fear against us.

The devil caused many people to receive a deadly injection. Those who took it feared they would die from an illness.

Those in hell will not be destroyed.

Those in hell will be judged and then tossed into the Lake of Fire to be destroyed.

Why would God destroy something He created, then gave His life to restore that creature back to an eternal existence?

You misunderstand. God is not going to "restore" people back to an eternal existence. Those who are worthy to attain to the coming age will not be restored, they will be resurrected and glorified. And what is glorification? To be glorified is to be as Jesus was, good, true, righteous, kind, generous, and without sin.

it has been defeated which makes the resurrection possible so that death can be ended.

You don't understand. Death is still with us today. Death will not be defeated until the resurrection when God will raise the "pleroma" from the dead and grant them a place in the coming age and glorify them to be like their master Jesus Christ.

Here is what you stated, "No, that is not true. Only those who belong to Jesus will be rid of sin eventually."
i asked for scripture and you give the above. This text does not address your statement in the least.

Yes, it does. You seem to have missed the point. Those who survive into the coming age are those "whom you (the Father) have given me."

 

[Behold]

. Only a few are his elect by design, for his pleasure.

Calvinism nonsense.

 

[APAK]

Calvinism nonsense.

You tend to regard yourself and your will over your God Behold. I would see what your God says about it and regarding his will and his own desires over yours. It should make for a humbling experience.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes, for the purpose of ridding our mortal natures of sin.

No. The Apostles teach us about glorification, which is a gift of God. Death is not our entrance into Glorification. Rather, grace is our entrance into glorification, through trust, forgiveness, and reconciliation.

You really have a very difficult time understanding theology.

I understand your theology and I know from where it comes.

No but everyone was raised by His Spirit from the dead.

No. Being raised from the dead is a future hope, not a current reality.

It is part of it for believers, but all men will also be raised immortal and incorruptible.

No, only all men "in Christ."

Hell is eternal.

No, hell is tossed into the Lake of Fire.

Destruction means the destruction of ones relationship with God.

No, it means non-existence.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Calvinism nonsense.

Calvin got it from Paul the apostle.

 

[Ritajanice]

Calvin got it from Paul the apostle.

Can you explain what your are all talking about by Calvin nonsense..what is Calvin nonsense?xx

 

[Ritajanice]

You tend to regard yourself and your will over your God Behold. I would see what you God says about it and regarding his will and his own desires over yours. It should make for a humbling experience.

Can you quote your post that is apparently Calvin nonsense...I’m not understanding?xx

 

[Ritajanice]

Heirs with Christ
…16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of Godand co-heirs with Christ— if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. 18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us.…

John 5:21 ESV / 115 helpful votes​

For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.

Romans 8:11 ESV / 112 helpful votes​

If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

 

[Behold]

You tend to regard yourself and your will over your God Behold.

Not at all. @Akak, .. and thank you once again for your opinion, which happens to be your God, i've noted.


Listen...
What i do is point out Hyper Calvinism, when a Calvinist posts it.
You dont have to like it., but i expect you to wear it, as that is honest, and i know you want to be honest.
Right?

 

[Ritajanice]

Not at all. @Akak, .. and thank you once again for your opinion, which happens to be your God, i've noted.


Listen...
What i do is point out Hyper Calvinism, when a Calvinist posts it.
You dont have to like it., but i expect you to wear it, as that is honest, and i know you want to be honest.
Right?

What is this Calvin nonsense you speak of? Xx

 

[Behold]

What is this Calvin nonsense you speak of? Xx

"limited atonement"

This is the part of Hyper Calvinism (TULIP) that is the most demonic.
As this denies the Cross of Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

This miraculous reception of this new imperishable seed within us for new life is God's form of reconciliation today. And there is no other way.

You’re good with words I’m not,hehehe,xx

Yes, being Born Again of imperishable seed, which happens to be the Holy Spirit....Gods seed, his Living seed.....that he placed in our heart/ spirit when we became Born Again.

What an Honour and Privilege that is....to know God, through the witness of the Holy Spirit, witnessing that to our spirit.

Mind Blowing!..imo./ belief,xx

 

[APAK]

"limited atonement"

This is the part of Hyper Calvinism (TULIP) that is the most demonic.
As this denies the Cross of Christ.

Prove your claim, while I get some coffee...it may take a very very long time and then still unproven

 

[APAK]

You’re good with words I’m not,hehehe,xx

Yes, being Born Again of imperishable seed, which happens to be the Holy Spirit....Gods seed, his Living seed.....that he placed in our heart/ spirit when we became Born Again.

What an Honour and Privilege that is....to know God, through the witness of the Holy Spirit, witnessing that to our spirit.

Mind Blowing!..imo./ belief,xx

I can relate to this RitaJ. I had most probably a similar experience as you, back in 1974. Want to hear more of it....?

 

[Behold]

Can you quote your post that is apparently Calvin nonsense...I’m not understanding?xx

@APAK said.

""""""And in each generation there were only a 'few' or only a remnant who met God's requirements for it. And today it is not different; only a few of each gen is reconciled by design"



"reconciled by design" = only the predestined are allowed to trust in Christ.


That is "limited atonement"..........that is..."The Cross is not for everyone".... = The Gift of Salvation, is "conditional" on Calvin's nonsense theology.

 

[Ritajanice]

"limited atonement"

This is the part of Hyper Calvinism (TULIP) that is the most demonic.
As this denies the Cross of Christ.

I must say God is the one who does the choosing and making our spirit Born Again....he brings us to believe...we don’t do that imo..

Man plays no part in becoming Born Of The Spirit...imo/ belief....I mean , how can they invite Jesus to make them Born Again, that’s not even biblical.

 

[Ritajanice]

I can relate to this RitaJ. I had most probably a similar experience as you, back in 1974. Want to hear more of it....?

Of course I want to hear more of it...xxxx