The Case for Eternal Security

[Behold]

You say that like it's a bad thing. Don't you want everyone to go to heaven? God does.

Is that your deceitful spin on trying to prove that Hell does not exist, as you try to prove falsely that unbelievers will join the born again, in Heaven ?

You failed., again.

But im glad you at least admitted your heresy, as some here needed see the real you.
I knew you could not hide it for long.

 

[St. SteVen]

And that is why i found this quote on your Thread.... that denies that Hell exists.. @St. SteVen

I actually believe that everyone is going to hell. Even you. Jesus said so.

Mark 9:49 NIV
Everyone will be salted with fire.

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[Behold]

I actually believe that everyone is going to hell. Even you.

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You have have some deeply dark .. LUKE 11:35 issues within yourself.... when you believe that the born again Christian will end up where Christ rejectors are found right now. @St. SteVen .

See, the born again are "IN Christ', and "One with God".. .and "seated in heavenly places"..

So, to teach as you just did that a born again CHRISTian, will go to hell, is to teach that God and Christ will also, as they are IN The Christian and the Christian is IN Them.

So, your theology is "of the Devil", as only the Devil could and would want to teach that @Ritajanice is going to Hell, or that I am, or that any who are redeemed by the Blood of Jesus, will be found in hell.

Your "theology" as you have stated it, is not of God, fella, which i already knew, but some here needed to SEE IT for themselves.

Believe it.

 

[mailmandan]

How can anyone Love God, without the rebirth?

No one can know God without the witness of the Holy Spirit....witnessing Gods truth to their heart/ spirit.

We must be Born Of The Spirit to become his Spiritual child...imo,xx

Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

 

[Ritajanice]

Oh my word, I can’t agree with everyone going to hell @St. SteVen ?xx

 

[Ritajanice]

Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Yes, but we must become Born Again then we receive the Love Of God, through his Spirit...it’s our spirit that must know God....for without his Spirit we are none of his.

You can’t know God without receiving his Spirit into your heart, which is the Living spiritual rebirth, that only God can do...Spirit gives birth to spirit.

My testimony and belief.

 

[Behold]

Oh my word, I can’t agree with everyone going to hell @St. SteVen ?xx

Surprise...

A.) "Dark Light"... = Luke 11:35


They "sound true", but they are never of the Truth.

Welcome to : 2 Corinthians 11:14-15

 

[Wrangler]

Those who oppose OSAS (Eternal Security) usually don't realize what they are throwing away.

Sure we do! False doctrine. Why do you suppose Christ said in John 15:4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you? It's because we might not remain in him.

Do you think God will save us against our will?

 

[Wrangler]

But you cannot forget...
Hebrews 10:26 - For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

IMO, this is one of the strongest verses against OSAS.

The pivot point is about our own going will and faith. If it be our will and faith is to God, then the circuit is complete.

OTOH, if our will and faith is broken, the circuit is broken. Hence, verses like Hebrews 10:26.

 

[Behold]

Do you think God will save us against our will?

Look at it like this, for a moment.

Lets say that one day, you decided that you are no longer born.

So, you go to your mother and say....."I dont believe in you anymore, and i am not born of you, any more".

"that is my faith".

And your mother says...>"are you crazy"?


So, that is how it is when you tell God...>"i can lose my salvation", as you just told God...>"im not really born again any more".


See, you can't stop being BORN, based on your behavior or how you think.
Just ask your mother.
Just ask God, who birthed all the BORN... Again.

 

[Ritajanice]

Imo, God has always got my will in line with his,” eventually “. this anger business has taken me years to understand it and let it go....

Maybe I was in fear of letting go...as it was my way of protecting myself.

I don’t have to do that, God is my protector, I see that now...what can you learn when you are constantly angry...all I can say is, thank God I didn’t stagnate in it...imo.xx

 

[Rightglory]

If that's true, we are all toast.
None of us is capable of obeying completely.

Do you "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind"?
And "Love your neighbor as yourself"?

That's a tall order. Have you not already failed to obey even that much today?

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Why is the NT filled with texts exhorting believers to remain faithful, to be obedient. If one believes that you have some kind of security the NT could be cut down to just a few chapters.
You will not find a single text where a living individual is ascribed as being "saved" in one's relationship with Christ. My concordance shows 13 texts indicating that a believer "will be saved" .
Does anyone ever check the historical relevance of particular doctrines? If you did you will find that such a view was first written by Augustine within his view of predestination. The Catholic Church as it existed at the time never accepted this particular teaching because it was not believed from the beginning.
None of the Churches of the first 15 centuries held this view. Orthodox, Nesatorians, Non-Calcedonians, Copts, Roman Catholic. That should tell you something. Did the Holy Spirit withhold such information for 15 centuries from His Gospel and now was adding to it, against His own word in Jude 3?
The first time it was developed into a doctrine was by Calvin. He also developed it from Augustine's view of predestination. It logically can only fit in such a doctrinal system. And for 500 years now this doctrine has been debated, hashed over, kicked around with not a solution in sight within the protestant milieu.
I might also add, if this doctrine actually existed, as from God, then Adam would have been unable to fall since He had the best relationship a person could have with God, yet he fell. If Predestination was a doctrine, the same holds true. Unfortunately, Manichianism has a strong influence on Protestant theology, thanks to Augustine.

 

[Behold]

You will not find a single text where a living individual is ascribed as being "saved" in one's relationship with Christ.

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New International Version
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners—

New Living Translation
This is a trustworthy saying, and everyone should accept it: “Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners”—

English Standard Version
The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

Berean Standard Bible
This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

Berean Literal Bible
Trustworthy is the saying, and worthy of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

King James Bible
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners;

New King James Version
This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

New American Standard Bible
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

NASB 1995
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

NASB 1977
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

Legacy Standard Bible
It is a trustworthy saying and deserving full acceptance: that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

Amplified Bible
This is a faithful and trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance and approval, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

Christian Standard Bible
This saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance: “Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners” —

Holman Christian Standard Bible
This saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance: “Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners"—

American Standard Version
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
This is a trustworthy saying and worthy of acceptance: “Yeshua The Messiah came to the universe to SAVE sinners,

Contemporary English Version
"Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners."

Douay-Rheims Bible
A faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into this world to SAVE sinners,

 

[mailmandan]

Yes, but we must become Born Again then we receive the Love Of God, through his Spirit...it’s our spirit that must know God....for without his Spirit we are none of his.

You can’t know God without receiving his Spirit into your heart, which is the Living spiritual rebirth, that only God can do...Spirit gives birth to spirit.

My testimony and belief.

Yes and we do not receive the Holy Spirit until we are born again.

 

[Behold]

Yes and we do not receive the Holy Spirit until we are born again.

Its the Holy Spirit who causes the "new birth", = that is to become..... "a new Creation, in Christ".

We give God our Faith in Christ and God gives us the "New Birth" "In Christ".


Welcome To : BORN.... .Again.


Jesus said..."You MUST be......born....again".... and water can't do that for you, Reader.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes and we do not receive the Holy Spirit until we are born again.

Amen!!...he pours his Love into us when....Spirit gives birth to spirit.xx..as you say, we become Born Again believers.xx

 

[APAK]

Look at it like this, for a moment.

Lets say that one day, you decided that you are no longer born.

So, you go to your mother and say....."I dont believe in you anymore, and i am not born of you, any more".

"that is my faith".

And your mother says...>"are you crazy"?


So, that is how it is when you tell God...>"i can lose my salvation", as you just told God...>"im not really born again any more".


See, you can't stop being BORN, based on your behavior or how you think.
Just ask your mother.
Just ask God, who birthed all the BORN... Again.

The only other answer is that they were never born of the flesh in the first place, or never reborn of the Spirit in the first place if human will is meant to have a say in it all, and it does not. The mother and father conceived and birthed flesh as the Father conceived as a seed, and birthed a new spirit for mankind, he chose. Human will does not have a say in it at all.

 

[mailmandan]

Its the Holy Spirit who causes the "new birth", = that is to become..... "a new Creation, in Christ".

We give God our Faith in Christ and God gives us the "New Birth" "In Christ".


Welcome To : BORN.... .Again.


Jesus said..."You MUST be......born....again".... and water can't do that for you, Reader.

Natural H20 cannot regenerate but living water can. (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39; Titus 3:5)

 

[Rightglory]

-
New International Version
Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners—

New Living Translation
This is a trustworthy saying, and everyone should accept it: “Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners”—

English Standard Version
The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

Berean Standard Bible
This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

Berean Literal Bible
Trustworthy is the saying, and worthy of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

King James Bible
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners;

New King James Version
This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

New American Standard Bible
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

NASB 1995
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

NASB 1977
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

Legacy Standard Bible
It is a trustworthy saying and deserving full acceptance: that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

Amplified Bible
This is a faithful and trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance and approval, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners,

Christian Standard Bible
This saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance: “Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners” —

Holman Christian Standard Bible
This saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance: “Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners"—

American Standard Version
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
This is a trustworthy saying and worthy of acceptance: “Yeshua The Messiah came to the universe to SAVE sinners,

Contemporary English Version
"Christ Jesus came into the world to SAVE sinners."

Douay-Rheims Bible
A faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into this world to SAVE sinners,

And just how does this answer my statement?

 

[Ritajanice]

Natural H20 cannot regenerate but living water can. (John 4:10,14; 7:37-39; Titus 3:5)

Amen!!...it’s Gods “ Living “ Spirit that regenerates us..xx