What Is "Salvation" In 1 Corinthians 10?

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Your abuse of John's writing has already been "refuted"...

When He appears, those spiritually immature, children, who, led away by idols (1 Jn 5:21), are not remaining in Him, will draw back in shame (1 Jn 2:28) unto destruction (Heb 10:39), but those who remain in Him by obeying His commands (1 Jn 3:23,24) will be conformed to His likeness.

Thanks for the opportunity.

One more time . . . I simply quoted the passage. I happen to believe what it says.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

I hope one day you can come to share this knowledge!

It's this hope in particular that . . .

And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Much love!

 

[GracePeace]

One more time . . . I simply quoted the passage. I happen to believe what it says.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

I hope one day you can come to share this knowledge!

It's this hope in particular that . . .

And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Much love!

I don't see mutual exclusivity between my understanding of all the passages I've been citing and what 1 Jn 3:1-3 is saying--I seek to believe it all, not to make one of them state something that obviously doesn't comport with the rest. This can be difficult, because they CAN, at times, seem to disagree.

 

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This can be difficult, because they CAN, at times, seem to disagree.

Not to me. Pay attention to those apparent disagreements, especially when you are looking at such plain wording.

I challenge you to harmonize those texts without changing either of them. You can include this one also:

Philippians 3:20-21 LITV
20) For our citizenship is in Heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21) who will transform our body of humiliation, for it to be conformed to His body of glory, according to the working of Him to be able even to subject all things under Himself.

If your citizenship is in heaven now, Jesus will transform your body to be like His. Again, simple wording, a simple message, and I believe it exactly as written.

Much love!

 

[GracePeace]

Not to me. Pay attention to those apparent disagreements, especially when you are looking at such plain wording.

I challenge you to harmonize those texts without changing either of them. You can include this one also:

Philippians 3:20-21 LITV
20) For our citizenship is in Heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21) who will transform our body of humiliation, for it to be conformed to His body of glory, according to the working of Him to be able even to subject all things under Himself.

If your citizenship is in heaven now, Jesus will transform your body to be like His. Again, simple wording, a simple message, and I believe it exactly as written.

Much love!

Yeah, surely, all the scholars needn't study or work these issues out, as they do, bc it's 100% clear, and all the disagreements Christians have had throughout history have been for no reason.

For now, I'm not interested in refuting the rest of these scriptures that interest you.

 

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and all the disagreements Christians have had throughout history have been for no reason.

If we were to all believe it exactly as written then I think nearly all of these disagreements would cease to exist.

It's up to you what you want to do. I encourage you to make sure that you are believing what is written, and that you don't accept any apparent disharmony in the Scriptures, but seek to understand them without needing to change or overlook any last little thing.

Much love!

 

[GracePeace]

If we were to all believe it exactly as written then I think nearly all of these disagreements would cease to exist.

It's up to you what you want to do. I encourage you to make sure that you are believing what is written, and that you don't accept any apparent disharmony in the Scriptures, but seek to understand them without needing to change or overlook anything last little thing.

Much love!

Clarification: What I said was it's difficult to work certain things out, bc sometimes verses SEEM to teach things that disagree. I never said they actually disagreed. Not sure where "don't accept disharmony" is coming from.

 

[GracePeace]

Anyway, I'm interested in discussing what 1 Corinthians 10 teaches about the definition of salvation.

 

[GracePeace]

To recap:
The Jews' salvation from God's wrath on the unrighteousness in Egypt, which was by the blood of a lamb, was a type and shadow of the reality Christians now enjoy by the blood of Christ, Who is called "our Passover Lamb".

The Jews, afterward, were under the cloud (of the Presence), they were baptized into Moses in the Red Sea, and they ate manna in the wilderness--these correspond to receiving the Presence of God by the Spirit (Acts 3), water baptism into Christ, and eating the Communion.

Nevertheless, after they experienced these things, types of what we experience as Christians, they lived in a sinful way, disobeying God, and God was displeased, so God destroyed them, and that generation never entered the Land God had Promised--corresponding to the warning Paul is giving the Church about living in unrighteousness, and what will happen if they do live in unrighteousness, and that it will result in forfeiting the Promise God made them (eternal life that is only in the Son of God--failure to remain in the Son by obeying God's commands will result in forfeiting the eternal life that is only located in the Son).

Therefore, "salvation" cannot mean "I'm definitely going to heaven, no matter what--the wrath of God will never find me if I sin, because I was already saved from God's wrath on unrighteousness."--that's not what Scripture says, it says after having been saved from God's wrath on unrighteousness, if you are living in unrighteousness, you will fall under God's wrath anyway.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, actually, I proved that the point of the writer of Hebrews was that it was not enough to start off in the right direction, but you must maintain that right direction.

No,

You did not do anything of the sort.

You proved that they never had true saving faith. proven by the fact they continued in sin

Hebrews 10
36You need to persevere, so that after you have done the will of God, you will receive what He has promised.
...
38But My righteous one will live by faith;i
and if [My righteous one] shrinks back,
I will take no pleasure in [My righteous one].”j
39But we are not of those [righteous ones who] shrink back and are destroyed [as the ones mentioned in Hebrews 6], but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.

Again, Your own passage destroys your theory. Here is a much better translation

939 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

We are not of those, Our faith is true and real. So true it has saved our souls.

Unlike those who never had faith, and draw back to perdition. Because what could have saved them they let slip through their hands. They loved their sin, or in the case of jews, there religion) more

 

[Eternally Grateful]

1 John 5
17All unrighteousness is sin, yet there is sin that does not lead to death.

That is physical death there, not spiritual death

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Irrelevant.

The point is that merely "believing" isn't enough to obtain eternal life, and John's texts are being abused.

then we are saved by works. Not by Grace. in fact. no one can be saved..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yep, we're "saved"--and, according to 1 Corinthians 10, that's just the start of the story, not its end.

Nope.

It may be the start of the journeyer as a child of God.

But as for salvation. It is begun and end with the cross to those who as paul said in 1 cor 10. believe to the saving of the soul

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When He appears, those spiritually immature, children, who, led away by idols (1 Jn 5:21), are not remaining in Him, will draw back in shame (1 Jn 2:28) unto destruction (Heb 10:39), but those who remain in Him by obeying His commands (1 Jn 3:23,24) will be conformed to His likeness.

do what??

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No, I would have said "it's clear that it's true, and any reader will accept what I'm saying" but I realized there are those who hold fast to traditions, so they will reject what is plain.

or maybe your holding fast to tradition. so you can not see what Paul really said?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nope, I proved salvation was just the beginning from 1 Co 10.

What part of what I said from 1 Co 10 were you disputing?

No, You did not.

You proved you do not understand 1 cor 10 thats about all you did

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oops, I said I did for those to whom it applies. Why did you misrepresent me? Does it concern you that you did that?

He did not misrepresent you my friend.

Own it

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, I believe you all are being dishonest with yourselves when you reject what is plainly stated, but I don't mean it with malice.

But we take it as plainly stated, Not only in 1 cor 10. but the rest of scripture.

So when you say we do not take it. You do it with malice..

 

[Ritajanice]

Salvation starts at the cross, we are only saved when we have been Born Of The Spirit/ Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed..Born by the Will Of God.

It’s because of the cross that we can become Born Again, “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “....the natural man doesn’t understand any of this.

They think you only have to look to the cross, not true...you must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God.

Looking to the cross doesn’t make one’s spirit Born Again....that is a Living supernatural act that only Gods Living witness can do....when he births our spirit into His.

It’s because of the cross that we can receive the Spirit of Jesus...when we become “Born Again “.

That’s why he had to die...how else can we receive the Spirit?

Imperative that our spirit is Born Again...spiritual birth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yeah, you do that a lot--take passages which, in context, mean the opposite of what, ripped out of context, you try to make mean something else--eg, from Heb 3, as we discussed a while back.

lol.. You do what you accuse others of.

How about just stick to the fact and stop accusing people.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well, it matters with respect to your "backhanded character assassination" claim. That's not me at all, just expressing my true opinion. I don't need anything extra (eg, character assassination) to prove my point, the truth stands on its own

yet. that is all you have done, is attach peoples character.

do you read what you write?

You did not answer him.. Its a yes and no answer.