Your best option is to ignore her by not responding to anything she has to offer-since she has nothing to offer and is goading you @Cassandra -don't feed her pride.
Johann.
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Johann.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Listen...I pointed out your error..then you said it was sarcasm..
If you want to discuss Gods word then do so, instead of posting your petty opinions of me.
Reread my posts and get back to me if they are in error.
That’s all I’m interested in is Gods word, not your personal opinions of me, they hold no bearing.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I have reported your post as you are just trying to add more fuel to the fire, just like you did last night.
I have also reported her post with its personal innuendos of me.
I am goading no one.
I picked her up on her error and was met with a barrage of personal remarks...she then said her post was sarcasm.
We’re trying to discuss scripture not sarcasm.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Eternally Grateful
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your right, there is nothing confusing Its called the simplicity in christ
1. We are dead in tresspasses and sin, and must be made alive or born again (john 3, Eph 2) because the wage of sin is death (rom 6: 23) and as God showed through the law. Cursed is anyone who does not obey every word, (deut 27: 23 along with Paul repeating in Gal 3: 10) and for this reason. As James affirms, if we even stumble in one part. We are found guilty of the whole of the law (James 2: 10 whoever keeps it all. Yet stumble in one point is guilty of all
2. Because of this, NO ONE, yes, God said NO ONE can be justified by the law (gal 3: 11) in fact. Paul says if we seek to be justified by the law, we are estranged from Christ (God)
3. This means our righteousness can not save us, Because our righteousness falls short (rom3: 23, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God) so God had to provide another way since we are guilty and without hope
4. The law showed us this way. As did Moses (john 3) and innocent without blemish (representing without the stain of sin) would have to die and make atonement for the lost sinner)
5. Jesus tells us that is exactly what he came to do. Not to judge, but to save, how would he save? We he told us, Not only in John 3, but in other areas as well. He was lifted on the cross. And became our sin offering. an offering of atonement to the lost. So that whoever believes in him, will not continue in death, But be made alive. That life being eternal life.
6. He tells us, whoever receives him, will become a child of God (john 1) Whoever believes in him will be born again (john 3) whoever sees and believes will never die, but they will live forever (john 6)
7. It not according to the law (how good we are) but our faith that saves us
Acts 13: 39 he who believes (has faith) is justified in ALL THINGS
Romans 3: 28, we see that man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law (how good they are)
Gal 2: 16 - knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ
8. You see, the law was a tutor. which was supposed to bring Israel to christ, they they might have the ability to be justified by Faith (Gal 3: 24) but it did not. And now should bring us to christ, sadly, Like israel many of us has failed to see the law as what it is also. It is a tutor to lead us to christ.
How?
1. The law exposes we all have sinned -
ROM 3: 20 - Through the law comes knowledge of sin, NOT justification
So you see there is the gospel
1. All have sinned and fall short
2. The wage of sin is death
3. God did not leave us in our sin, but he made the way.
4. As the law showed. The way was his death on the cross. As John said, behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
5. Jesus said, whoever believes in him, will no longer be dead (perish) but will live forever (eternal life)
In conclusion, Jesus said it best
He who believes is not condemned (faith)
He who does not believe is condemned already (no faith or faith in self not God)
The simplicity in christ. that anyone who is really seeking because they feel God drawing them to him, can get into the word and any question they have may be answered.
Eternally Grateful
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There you go again trying to tell people what they do or do not do..
I am sorry, But you’re not God. You do not know what people rely on to get their beliefs and you saying they do not rely on God. When you are not them, is just wrong.
Glad you have reported me, the one goading and in error is you @Ritajanice and @Cassandra is not the one in error-not only are you goading you are ignorant re the Scriptures and you refuse to be corrected,--you are not trying to discuss-what you are doing is IMPOSING your "will" upon others, you should be stripped of your privileges AS a Staff member since you are not qualified to perform the duties of a Staff member.
Goading refers to the act of provoking or annoying someone so as to stimulate some action or reaction. The term derives from a "goad," which is a pointed stick used for driving cattle, symbolizing something that prods or urges someone into action. In a metaphorical sense, goading involves deliberately irritating or challenging someone to elicit a response, often by persistent criticism, taunts, or demands.
Shalom
J.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
We do not rely on our own spirit already stated scripture stating this..
We rely on God’s Spirit for everything...now can you please get back to topic .
I did not say they don’t rely on God...you are putting words into my mouth...
Eternally Grateful
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No, we are made into a child of God in an instant. But as many as recieved him, to THEM gave he the right to become children of God
Some do. Some do not.. They may remain babes like the corinthian church.
Sadly. Many think they are spoken to by God, but they do not hear God at all.
Are you sure you are still not acting and writing on that anger? Just asking..
WHat makes you think it does not resonate with their spirit?
This is not true. While they do not live in sin (the literal translation) they do continue to fall short of Gods standard.
Whoever says he or she has no sin are decieved. Be ye not decieved)
So we do not sin because we are born again, But we still sin
Can you please resolve this contradiction? (This is one of the reasons people get confused by things you say. And say things, then only for you to deny you even said it, when you did)
And hopefully you will be sorted out since you are not qualified in the office of a Staff member or perform duties since you are dismally ignorant re the Scriptures, obvious for all to see.
J.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
You cannot believe in Jesus in your heart/ spirit..without God’s Living witness His Holy Spirit making our spirit Born Again..no matter how much scripture you post.
We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God..
Human belief is no belief at all...we must be gifted God given faith to believe that Jesus hung on a cross..
Our spirit must know this at it comes via Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit, when he makes our spirit Born Again.
Our spirit is Born Again by Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit.
It is not Born Again by looking to a cross and asking for forgiveness...and how do you know that the cross was for real @Eternally Grateful ?
Where do you need to know this truth..I’ve asked this question countless times?
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
We are not made into Jesus image in an instance neither do we bear his fruit in an instance either, you err.
We grow and mature in Christ if we are Born Of The Spirit as we were chosen and predestined to become a Born Again, to be used all according to God’s purpose and plan another err.
Please keep your personal opinions of me out of this thread.
What has to resonate with our spirit?
A Born Again does not sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed..don’t bear false witness to what God has spoken about his Born Again children..
You’ve just put your own spin on it ..
What contradiction please be more specific?
Eternally Grateful
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I know this will exceed the number of characters so I will have to cut this up
No, it does not translate us into the same walk. If it did. We all would never sin again, That does not happen
What it does is translate us into the family of God. Makes us born again, and makes us right with God (justified)
sorry, But this is off topic. We are talking about being justified. Not how a christian acts and what empowers them after we are justified.
They do? Who? Who decides God accepts them? Did the pharisee, who got on their knees decide God would accept him? No, He cried out for Gods mercy.
God Saved him, God did not accept him. If salvation is based on God accepting us, then we will all be lost. Because no one can live up to Gods standard.
Yeah, Its also delusional to think God would ever accept you based on your own merit. But from as long as I have known you. That is what you preach.
I think delusional believers are spurned by people. Look in scripture. How many people who taught salvation by works, were spurned by the gentiles?
it goes both ways, Legalists are spurned, and so are people who rely on grace.. We are both spurned by people.
Into eternal life. Into the family of God. Into salvation from the penalty of our sins.
What good is it if we say we are saved, yet our sin still condemns us. did Christ die in Vein?
Yes, those people thought God had to save them because of their works. Not because of His grace. And jesus said it clearly. I NEVER KNEW YOU.. why? Because since they never came to faith, they continued to live in sin, in denial of the true gospel
No, I am not special that I automatically and freed from the debt I owe God. But God loves me enough that he paid that debt in my place.
the wage if sin is still death, apart from grace,
Well according to Calvinism he is.
But I am not calvinist. I do not thing God is a respector of persons.
He told us what we must do
he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already
Jesus died for the world. Not the righteous 9there are non righteous, and people who think they are do not need a savior. So they will never look for one)
but the lost. (Which was me until I cane to him as the tax collector did.
Breaking this up I know it is to long.. if not already
This is adulterated error on your part-
Your statement is mistaken because spiritual transformation and growth in bearing the fruit of the Spirit are typically viewed as gradual processes rather than instantaneous events. This aligns with biblical teachings that describe the Christian life as a journey of continuous growth and sanctification. Key reasons include:
Sanctification is Progressive: The Bible describes sanctification as an ongoing process. For instance, Philippians 1:6 states, "being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." This suggests a progressive work that God continues throughout a believer's life.
Transformation Takes Time: Romans 12:2 exhorts believers to "be transformed by the renewing of your mind." This transformation is an ongoing renewal rather than a one-time event, indicating that believers gradually become more like Christ.
Bearing Fruit is Gradual: Galatians 5:22-23 lists the fruit of the Spirit, which includes love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. These qualities typically develop over time as a believer grows in their relationship with God and yields to the Holy Spirit.
Biblical Metaphors for Growth: The Bible uses agricultural metaphors to describe spiritual growth, such as seeds growing into mature plants (Mark 4:26-29) and believers growing in maturity from infancy to adulthood (Hebrews 5:12-14). These metaphors emphasize gradual development.
Therefore, the process of being conformed to the image of Jesus and bearing His fruit is generally understood as a gradual, lifelong journey rather than an instantaneous change.
Romans 8:29: "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters." This verse indicates that God's purpose for believers is to be conformed to the image of His Son, Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 3:18: "And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." This passage highlights that the transformation into Christ's image is a continuous process involving increasing glory over time.
Colossians 3:9-10: "Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator." Here, the renewal into the image of Christ is ongoing, as believers put on the new self.
Ephesians 4:22-24: "You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness." This passage suggests a deliberate, continuous effort to grow into the likeness of God, reflecting Christ's image.
J.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
That’s exactly what I’ve just explained are you actually understanding my posts.
So no..I do not err.
How would you also know that Jesus is the fruit bearer and that we are being made into his likeness?
Where would you need to know this?
How would you know that Jesus hung on a cross?
X5 I’ve asked you these questions?
Where does the fruit of Jesus come from within us?
Where is the Holy Spirit at work within us?
And please speak from your own heart not others commentaries. @Johann ?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
So please tell me how would you know this ?
You’ve just read it in a commentary.
Where else do you need to know this ?
Do you bear Jesus fruit if so where does it come from?
I have answered you on numerous occasions and corrected you on numerous occasions, but you don't accept correction.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You have never answered any Spirit/ heart questions I have asked you...
Unfortunately the only thing you can do is post commentaries of other people’s work.
You are very limited in heart/ spirit knowledge...that is where we know God..in our spirit.
Not in the intellect...not by sola scripture...not by posting other people’s work/ commentaries.
We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God...that is Gods word backed up by Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit..
You have never been able to correct me in the Spirit...your intellect has no standing in the word of God.
Only a Born Again can be corrected by the Spirit....your correction of intellect falls flat on its face as it’s your intellect and not the word of God @Johann
The word of God speaks directly to our heart/ spirit as we are spirit children .
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Very easy-by reading the Scriptures
Therefore, the process of being conformed to the image of Jesus and bearing His fruit is generally understood as a gradual, lifelong journey rather than an instantaneous change.
Romans 8:29: "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters." This verse indicates that God's purpose for believers is to be conformed to the image of His Son, Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 3:18: "And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." This passage highlights that the transformation into Christ's image is a continuous process involving increasing glory over time.
Colossians 3:9-10: "Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator." Here, the renewal into the image of Christ is ongoing, as believers put on the new self.
Ephesians 4:22-24: "You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness." This passage suggests a deliberate, continuous effort to grow into the likeness of God, reflecting Christ's image.
Galatians 5:22-23: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law." This passage outlines the characteristics that the Holy Spirit produces in the lives of believers.
John 15:4-5: "Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing." Jesus teaches that believers must remain in Him, as branches are connected to a vine, to bear fruit. This fruitfulness is dependent on an intimate, ongoing relationship with Christ.
Colossians 1:10: "so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God." This verse connects bearing fruit with living a life that pleases God and growing in the knowledge of Him, indicating that good works and spiritual growth are evidence of bearing fruit.
Philippians 1:11: "filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God." This passage emphasizes that the fruit of righteousness comes through Jesus Christ and is meant to bring glory and praise to God.
From these passages, it is clear that bearing fruit in the life of a believer is a result of the Holy Spirit's work within them. This fruit manifests as Christlike qualities and good works that glorify God. The process is deeply rooted in an ongoing relationship with Jesus, who empowers and enables believers to live out these virtues.
Why is it that you don't understand? And because you don't understand you want to make it personal? How many times have I corrected you and still you persist in your folly?
Johann
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Sorry you are in error...you deny Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit...you say the written word is God, @Johann ..no way my friend, we must be Born Of The Spirit to know God’s truth.
New Living Translation
But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means
You must be Born Of The Spirit to understand the scriptures.
Your spirit must be Born Again it’s our spirit that knows God...not sola scripture...
Our spirit has Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit witnessing Gods truth to our heart/ spirit...this is the place you err...your spiritual knowledge and understanding imo is zero.
It’s all intellectual knowledge from your own human intellect..plus other people’s commentaries and work you post....there is the rub and that is why we don’t agree..
The natural man doesn’t understand the Living witness that we+are Born Again of..its folly to them.
You’re actually “ working” for your salvation...whereas it’s by grace we are saved ,when our spirit is Born Again.
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