The 4 Eternal Destinies of Humankind

[Johann]

You are not addressing any of the many scriptures I have presented in the context of this thread, and instead are complaining that I am not addressing one that I may have missed?

Those who only see two destinies will try proving that because there is two being described at a particular time...in the context of a judgment or resurrection...that somehow that negates any other judgment or possibility.

That would be like going to a dealership to buy a truck and refuse to believe that they also sell cars. How can they do BOTH? ;)

I am contacting Corey Minor on Be Smart and Wise Disciple and as soon as they reply on my e mail I will set you up-but I know you won't so we will dissect your video clip.
You will hear from me sooner than later.
Till then, be courteous with @Lizbeth since your "fruit" is slipping a bit on the aft side.

 

[Johann]

I would debate Laurel and Hardy... but they would need to watch the video first and have a real grasp of the subject. Also can you send me a link to their podcast?

No need--already send them your podcast and will let you know as soon as Corey respond via e mail.

 

[Lizbeth]

For any with some understanding....what is the difference between the righteous and the filthy? Well, imagine a man with muddy boots coming into your house any time he wants and basically turning the inside of your house into a barn. Wouldn't you call that man filthy or unclean?

Now what about the righteous who are also filthy (sinful)? Well, they also have muddy boots, but they cry out to you from outside refusing to muddy your house. They realize they are unclean and are not worthy in their state to come into the house. Remember the Publican who could not look up to heaven as he knew he was a sinner. And God justified him.

So which would be seen as righteous? The one who proudly stomps around in your house with muddy boots? Or the one who honours the cleanliness of your house and humbly speaks to you from outside?

Here I have NOT covered the saints or the wicked. Of course the saints are washed in the blood of Christ...cleansed to walk inside the house.

How much of modern Christianity is based on the right of the filthy to go into God's house without fear or respect of God who is holy?

Curious to know if this is an earlier writing of yours? Three Eternal Destinies of Man | Twelve Tribes

Or is this what got you questioning the orthodox idea of two destinies (heaven/life and hell/death)?

 

[Johann]

I would debate even Laurel and Hardy... but they would need to watch the video first and have a real grasp of the subject. Also can you send me a link to their podcast?

We are thinking of doing guests and/or interviews and debates in the future.

Yes, him and Corey Minor--already submitted your podcast and waiting for a reply, glad you are furiously looking up what is being said.

 

[Johann]

Curious to know if this is an earlier writing of yours? Three Eternal Destinies of Man | Twelve Tribes

Or is this what got you questioning the orthodox idea of two destinies (heaven/life and hell/death)?

I don't think so--here is @Episkopos link

The Four Destinies of Mankind (part 1)

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[Retrobyter]

Understanding the four eternal destinies of humankind will change the way you read and understand the bible. This is an important teaching that puts things in their proper perspective, restoring an understanding of the ancient paths, and shedding light on the gospel and its purpose.The four destinies are laid out in the bible comprehensively from Genesis to Revelation. This teaching has long been obscured by a more popular religion that caters to the fallen nature of mankind. Isn't it time to return to the truth?

Shalom, Episkopos.

Wouldn't it be easier to understand the COUPLETS in Hebrew poetry?
A "holy" person is one who has been "cleaned and singled out" for some service God desires that person to do. He or she is considered "special" to God, whether that person is righteous or not.
A "righteous" person is one who has been DECLARED to be "righteous" by God; he or she has been JUSTIFIED by God.
A "filthy" person is one who has NOT been "cleaned or singled out." He or she is still "vulgar" (in its original sense) or "common" or "mundane."
A "wicked" person is one who has NOT been justified by God; that is, he or she remains unjust; he or she is "yet in his (or her) sins."

The "holy/filthy" spectrum is different than the "righteous/wicked" spectrum. We can see from Scripture that some people, such as the children of Israel, are a "holy people," even when they were "unrighteous," going after false gods. Others were "rightoeus," even though God had not yet cleansed them for service.

 

[APAK]

Hey Apak, hope you are doing well. But your opinions and changing what the bible says are not appropriate. The bible is not like a bedtime story that you get to change the text to make it fun for kids to hear.

Altering the plain text to fit a previous ideology is called eisegesis. What you need to learn to do is to read the text for what is says...and look for other examples that say the same thing...as I have done.


Like quoting Jesus? Very taboo.


The opposite is true. By eliminating filthiness as an eternal destiny, you eliminate the many warnings that help people depart from iniquity. So then I'm trying to eliminate the selfishness in those who name and claim a salvation that they will not see.

You mean deeper understanding and revelation from God. All you have are the traditions of men that are not supported in the bible...but refuted very easily...if one can read and is honest. :)
Although very few can endure sound doctrine and understand spiritual things I will continue to publish the gospel and eternal truth. Some will understand and be healed, and others will rail and be confident in man-made doctrines.

You continue to make a lot of annoying noise. How many mirrors do you have in your house Epi...?
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"The bible is not like a bedtime story that you get to change the text to make it fun for kids to hear..."
"Altering the plain text to fit a previous ideology is called eisegesis. What you need to learn to do is to read the text for what is says...and look for other examples that say the same thing...as I have done."

What stupid childish talk is all this again! Who is altering the plain text Epi? YOU are of course by converting adjectives or characteristivcs into 4 permanent human destinies. You have complicated scripture and deceived many again.

Your ego and pride is so rich, it has overtaken your senses, maybe a long time ago.

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I want you to give me a full public commentary of Rev 22:11 and I will do the same, and we'll see what trash you continue to write.

And you won't dare do this because you are afraid what I will again expose about you, expose you as a fraud that you are.

I would suggest whoever listens to you, they are either air-heads, or easily-persuaded, or really uninformed. And then you actually get off on it don't you? Your energy and ego is powered by their ignorance.

There will be a time of reckoning indeed, and some will try to wear flak jackets...

Don't rely to my posts in the future if you have NOTHING again to say that is fruitful or useful.

 

[Episkopos]

You continue to make a lot of annoying noise. How many mirrors do you have in your house Epi...?
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"The bible is not like a bedtime story that you get to change the text to make it fun for kids to hear..."
"Altering the plain text to fit a previous ideology is called eisegesis. What you need to learn to do is to read the text for what is says...and look for other examples that say the same thing...as I have done."

What stupid childish talk is all this again! Who is altering the plain text Epi? YOU are of course by converting adjectives or characteristivcs into 4 permanent human destinies. You have complicated scripture and deceived many again.

The deception has long taken place. People in the past have simplified the bible narrative to appeal to children and very unspiritual people. For the simplistic, there are only two destinies....choose life. Anything beyond that simplistic idea is to be avoided.

But what is palatable for beginners in the faith, is not enough to warn people of the real pitfalls, nets, and spiritual traps out there. We are to be as wise as serpents...not as wise as children.

In principle I'm not against a more simple approach for young people or beginners. But at one point we need to move beyond childish ways. Algebra is not spoken of in a superficial way. Spiritual things are not disseminated from street-corners. No, to evangelize one must simplify the message. But to remain there? To pit a beginner's approach against a deeper understanding and a deeper walk?

All I'm doing is stating what is actually in the bible. Seriously, I have as much trouble getting modern type believers to look into deeper truth as I have getting Jews to realize that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Same religious incredulity at work.

Your ego and pride is so rich, it has overtaken your senses, maybe a long time ago.

People judge as they are...according to their own measure. So if you were as confident as I am, then the only way for you to do that would be by pride. But I have a fully different experience and understanding.

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I want you to give me a full public commentary of Rev 22:11 and I will do the same, and we'll see what trash you continue to write.

And you won't dare do this because you are afraid what I will again expose about you, expose you as a fraud that you are.

This is a very severe attitude. Again, sometimes you are like Dr. Jekyll and other times like Mr. Hyde. I think I'm seeing you on a bad day.

I would suggest whoever listens to you, they are either air-heads, or easily-persuaded, or really uninformed. And then you actually get off on it don't you? Your energy and ego is powered by their ignorance.

This is disingenuous...as anyone who can read can probably also count to four. Then it's a matter of honesty.

There will be a time of reckoning indeed, and some will try to wear flak jackets...

Don't rely to my posts in the future if you have NOTHING again to say that is fruitful or useful.

The four destinies is a major way forward from the militant ignorance of only seeing 2 destinies. Islam is a prime example of this...and the originators of the heaven/hell duality.

Just look at your own violent streak...your own accusatory attitude. Just like a militant religionist of any bent.

Knowing about the four destinies tempers any kind of religious understanding with humility and fear...knowing that God goes hard on those who claim to be His. Oversimplification leads to heresies and strife. Again, look at Islam and the kind of radical extremism that this engenders.

Christianity has 4 destinies. Judaism also...any religion that is based on a biblical understanding has that subtlety. And this informs people to fear the Lord and remain humble...non-judgmental, and careful of what we will be judged for in the future...every word, every insult, every mis-application of anger and diatribe.

So I will pray for you.

 

[Episkopos]

Shalom, Episkopos.

Wouldn't it be easier to understand the COUPLETS in Hebrew poetry?
A "holy" person is one who has been "cleaned and singled out" for some service God desires that person to do. He or she is considered "special" to God, whether that person is righteous or not.
A "righteous" person is one who has been DECLARED to be "righteous" by God; he or she has been JUSTIFIED by God.
A "filthy" person is one who has NOT been "cleaned or singled out." He or she is still "vulgar" (in its original sense) or "common" or "mundane."
A "wicked" person is one who has NOT been justified by God; that is, he or she remains unjust; he or she is "yet in his (or her) sins."

The "holy/filthy" spectrum is different than the "righteous/wicked" spectrum. We can see from Scripture that some people, such as the children of Israel, are a "holy people," even when they were "unrighteous," going after false gods. Others were "rightoeus," even though God had not yet cleansed them for service.

What you deem as "spectrums" are actually historical resurrections and judgments.

What I find is that people don't shift from a previous indoctrination so easily. People who are religious tend to tie up everything they know in one bundle so that nothing can be refined or adapted. But God wants to refine His people.

The 4 destinies is about refinement. Spiritual maturity requires putting away simplistic and childish notions. Any kind of renewing of the mind requires the kind of refinement that allows what the bible is really saying to come into focus.

 

[Behold]

For the simplistic, there are only two destinies....choose life.

Jesus said.. "I've come to give you life, and that more abundantly"....

That's not "simplistic"< thats : Salvation as found Through The Cross of Christ, as "the Gift of Salvation", that is to become a "new Creation", born again, "in Christ"... as "One with God".

Thats the only destiny, both literal and eternal, that matters, as if that one is not attained, then all the other theology that a person is concerned about, has led them right into Hell.

Theology, does not save anyone..

See The CROSS of CHRIST for the update.

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus said.. "I've come to give you life, and that more abundantly"....

Of course. Eternal life and Christ-likeness is the goal of the gospel. But not all people will receive the gospel with meekness of heart. Some will reject the message outright. Others will try taking advantage of a supposed "saved" status to prop up the flesh.

Look at the parable of the Sower. Look at the different soils that receive one kind of seed. One message, four possibilities. Four eternal destinies.

That's not "simplistic"< thats : Salvation as found Through The Cross of Christ, as "the Gift of Salvation", that is to become a "new Creation", born again, "in Christ"... as "One with God".

What is simplistic is how we are to receive it. People are more complex than the message of the gospel. As the bible states, there are 4 ways to receive (or not receive) the gospel.

Thats the only destiny, both literal and eternal, that matters, as if that one is not attained, then all the other theology that a person is concerned about, has led them right into Hell.

All destinies matter. They are all in play as long as we live and breathe. Fear the Lord and live.

 

[Behold]

Some will reject the message outright. Others will try taking advantage of a supposed "saved" status to prop up the flesh.

What ive noticed about you.. and what you do here.... is that you apply this concept of "prop of the flesh" to everyone on the forum, who does not agree with your man made, quite odd, theology.

Wny do you think you are like that @Episkopos ?

How is it that everyone is wrong, but you?

When did you first realize this about all other Christians??


Now, Ive met a few like you.. on Forums... who believe that all other Believers are in error, and you are the only one who is alone way up there in your ego tower,..... who has the authority to correct the entire planet of believers.

Look at the parable of the Sower. Look at the different soils that receive one kind of seed. One message, four possibilities. Four eternal destinies.

Actually its just 2 destines..

You have the good ground that represents the born again, and you have the other ground that represents those who arent.

So, there are only 2 Destinies.....

Heaven

Hell.

Purgatory does not exist.
Limbo is a myth
Soul sleep is a false theology.

See, a person ether has eternal life, or they dont..

There are your 2 Destines...

1.) Heaven

2.) Hell

 

[Episkopos]

What ive noticed about you.. and what you do here.... is that you apply this concept of "prop of the flesh" to everyone on the forum, who does not agree with your man made, quite odd, theology.

Well, that's a simplistic point of view. What I teach is far too refined for people who only go to sunday church.

For a person who wants to get hired at a certain company...all that matters is if one is hired or not. That's the first cut. Being saved from the world. Saved or not saved...that's all that matters for beginners. But very few have gone beyond that stage, that's why my teaching seems very odd to most people. They remain at a freshly hired stage. They don't realize all the different positions there are within the company. What I do is try telling people about the better jobs. If a person doesn't want to listen, that's fine.

But many need to hear what I'm saying...as they have a wrong view of God's ways. The more people resist the truth, the more they need to listen. There are both places of honour AND dishonour in God's kingdom. The wise listen to instruction.

Wny do you think you are like that @Episkopos ?

How is it that everyone is wrong, but you?

Perhaps people with my kind of experience don't come to forums so often.

When did you first realize this about all other Christians??

LOL. I started out as those other Christians. I was a beginner once myself. But few will grow beyond the first stage. They will see any advancement in kingdom life as very strange....that is...until it is experienced.

Now, Ive met a few like you.. on Forums... who believe that all other Believers are in error, and you are the only one who is alone way up there in your ego tower,..... who has the authority to correct the entire planet of believers.

Again that is a superficial assessment. They also said that Jesus was Himself a demon that cast out other demons. A superficial and faulty assessment would you not agree? Likewise, you need more discernment to see where I'm coming from.

Actually its just 2 destines..

Saved and not saved....I know...that's where you are at...the very first step of being a believer.

You have the good ground that represents the born again, and you have the other ground that represents those who arent.

So, there are only 2 Destinies.....

Heaven

Hell.

Purgatory does not exist.
Limbo is a myth
Soul sleep is a false theology.

See, a person ether has eternal life, or they dont..

There are your 2 Destines...

1.) Heaven

2.) Hell

If you want to grow at all, you need to let go of your tight grasp of being "saved" and learn from the Lord where you are to go and what you are to do. Follow Christ not men.

 

[Behold]

Well, that's a simplistic point of view. What I teach is far too refined for people who only go to sunday church.

What you teach is just to0 bizarre to be considered as true, except in your mind.

For a person who wants to get hired at a certain company...all that matters is if one is hired or not.

God is not looking to Hire, He's looking to Forgive.

"Jesus came into the world to save sinners".

"All that call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".

Jesus said, "ALL who BELIEVE in ME.........I give unto you.......Eternal Life.. .and you shall never go to Hell (perish) ""

Perhaps people with my kind of experience don't come to forums so often.

You've lived on Forum for over over a decade..
If you were on the others, you'd be deleted, based on your corrupted theology that states that :

"God does not give His Righteousness to anyone"..

and

"The Cross is not about forgiveness"..

Now, the Mods on this Forum, dont care about that, and that's why you are still here.

LOL. I started out as those other Christians. I was a beginner once myself.

According to Paul's Theology, you're not even a part of the plan.

They also said that Jesus was Himself a demon that cast out other demons.

You would compare yourself to Jesus, but i never would. @Episkopos

Saved and not saved....I know...that's where you are at...the very first step of being a believer.

Thats not a step, that's Salvation, and it has nothing to do with verses becoming light and entering your eyelids.

If you want to grow at all, you need to let go of your tight grasp of being "saved" and learn from the Lord where you are to go and what you are to do. Follow Christ not men.

Paul said to be a "follower of Me".

You are not familiar with Paul's Theology.

 

[APAK]

The deception has long taken place. People in the past have simplified the bible narrative to appeal to children and very unspiritual people. For the simplistic, there are only two destinies....choose life. Anything beyond that simplistic idea is to be avoided.

But what is palatable for beginners in the faith, is not enough to warn people of the real pitfalls, nets, and spiritual traps out there. We are to be as wise as serpents...not as wise as children.

In principle I'm not against a more simple approach for young people or beginners. But at one point we need to move beyond childish ways. Algebra is not spoken of in a superficial way. Spiritual things are not disseminated from street-corners. No, to evangelize one must simplify the message. But to remain there? To pit a beginner's approach against a deeper understanding and a deeper walk?

All I'm doing is stating what is actually in the bible. Seriously, I have as much trouble getting modern type believers to look into deeper truth as I have getting Jews to realize that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Same religious incredulity at work.


People judge as they are...according to their own measure. So if you were as confident as I am, then the only way for you to do that would be by pride. But I have a fully different experience and understanding.


This is a very severe attitude. Again, sometimes you are like Dr. Jekyll and other times like Mr. Hyde. I think I'm seeing you on a bad day.


This is disingenuous...as anyone who can read can probably also count to four. Then it's a matter of honesty.

The four destinies is a major way forward from the militant ignorance of only seeing 2 destinies. Islam is a prime example of this...and the originators of the heaven/hell duality.

Just look at your own violent streak...your own accusatory attitude. Just like a militant religionist of any bent.

Knowing about the four destinies tempers any kind of religious understanding with humility and fear...knowing that God goes hard on those who claim to be His. Oversimplification leads to heresies and strife. Again, look at Islam and the kind of radical extremism that this engenders.

Christianity has 4 destinies. Judaism also...any religion that is based on a biblical understanding has that subtlety. And this informs people to fear the Lord and remain humble...non-judgmental, and careful of what we will be judged for in the future...every word, every insult, every mis-application of anger and diatribe.

So I will pray for you.

Put up or shut up. Not more of nauseating and childlike remarks!

I will wait for your commentary on Rev 22:11. Take your time, although I would like to see it on display for all to see, if you are the person of God you say you are. And I really doubt it.

You are way over your head here, truly.

I wonder honestly if your clubbies really think there are actually 4 destinations/states during this life and the next. What a cruel joke you play here.

So now you posture to one of your predictable hypocritical tactics and say I now have a violent streak with YOUR constant accusatory attitudes. Stop your crying, and be a man. Really pathetic man!

What a whiner and a pathetic attempt to reach out to your clubbies for help, with an emotional appeal. I'm interested in exposing your lies in public. Whether you are crawling behind or have already hid behind a rock it makes no difference to me. You will be constantly exposed to your lies.

You need to pray to God for those you have led astray thus far.

 

[Johann]

Put up or shut up. Not more of nauseating and childlike remarks!

I will wait for your commentary on Rev 22:11. Take your time, although I would like to see it on display for all to see, if you are the person of God you say you are. And I really doubt it.

You are way over your head here, truly.

I wonder honestly if your clubbies really think there are actually 4 destinations/states during this life and the next. What a cruel joke you play here.

So now you posture to one of your predictable hypocritical tactics and say I now have a violent streak with YOUR constant accusatory attitudes. Stop your crying, and be a man. Really pathetic man!

What a whiner and a pathetic attempt to reach out to your clubbies for help, with an emotional appeal. I'm interested in exposing your lies in public. Whether you are crawling behind or have already hid behind a rock it makes no difference to me. You will be constantly exposed to your lies.

You need to pray to God for those you have led astray thus far.

More than willing to hear your exegesis on Rev 22.11

 

[APAK]

More than willing to hear your exegesis on Rev 22.11

Sure Johann, although it has to be more that just the explanation of the verse as its given face value or in its clear text form. It also exposes the correct or corrupted definitions of justification, holiness, imputation, being sinless, even the correct meaning and usage of the term grace for salvation. Many have it all wrong and have complicated it, including this thread owner. And if one has a certain self-generated view or foundation and definition of these, based on what personal experiences, or desires, that are corrupted, then this verse Rev 22:11 exegesis will logically also be clearly exposed as corrupted and useless.

That is what I see occurring on this thread....and someone really needs to point it out before it gets really insane and out of hand.

So let me give some time for a real answer, of an expected clear and concise 'no frills' response without the typical superfluous and confusing text to redirect, to the person I threw down the gauntlet to first. I do not expect a real mature answer either.

Then I will give a brief although rich answer as a commentary with the focus on Rev 22:11. This subject cuts to the heart and X-roads of ones' view of salvation, salvation life today, God's natural predestination and foreknowledge capabilities, who is a genuine believer, one's eschatology, Christology and Deity, all in one swoop.

If we don't get this subject right that we will be confused as to why we are being saved or not today.....heavy subject indeed.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Understanding the four eternal destinies of humankind will change the way you read and understand the bible. This is an important teaching that puts things in their proper perspective, restoring an understanding of the ancient paths, and shedding light on the gospel and its purpose.The four destinies are laid out in the bible comprehensively from Genesis to Revelation. This teaching has long been obscured by a more popular religion that caters to the fallen nature of mankind. Isn't it time to return to the truth?

The Church Fathers failed to connect these dots for 2000 years, yet you somehow found what they all missed.

It's hard to believe that all the Church Fathers were lacking understanding, so with all due respect I have to side with the Church Fathers and dismiss your findings as being false interpretations of scripture.

My Pastor advised our congregation to reject any new doctrine, because everything that can be known about the Bible has already been fully studied and catalogued for our benefit. So any new findings must be seen as a big red flag

 

[APAK]

@Johann well I believe I've given ample time for a response especially when there has been years being acquainted with the subject.

This a a quick primer into the two states of being or so-called 'destinations of all peoples, of yesterday, today and the future....it centers on Rev 22:11 and does not really venture outside of it as this subject can quickly spill over into many areas of scripture.

Revelation 22:11

The angel of God pronounces to John the summary judgment and fate of all human beings, past, present and future. It is a dire warning for those not wearing the Holy clothes, as a believer in Christ, and a real welcome of peace and love for those clothed in Christ's Spirit given by the Spirit of God.

The fate of all has already been set and sealed before their birth. During their lives however, those capable, of sane mind, have already made their own decisions for corrective heart surgery or not. To fix their heart or keep it in its corrupted prideful state.

No one not even God himself had coerced anyone concerning their fate; to decide for life or death as a life separated from the Spirit of God. Into not only the future, already set from the past and present, what state they will live in eternity, beyond their lives in their physical bodies.

God previously set precedence concerning a person or even a nation's fate allowing their desires of their hearts to be honored, although with consequences, of eventual judgment.

From Eden , to Cain, the age of Noah. to the Hebrews, the Israelite tribes, to the age of Christ's presence on earth, to today and beyond.

All heart-conceived actions have consequences of judgment.


(Ecc 11:9) Rejoice, young man, in your youth, and let your heart cheer you in the days of your youth, and walk in the ways of your heart, and in the sight of your eyes; but know that for all these things there is a God who will bring you into judgment for them.(NEV)

Now in Revelation 22:11 we are clearly given two views and only two views that describe two types of hearts, not four. There are not 4 conditions of the heart, only two that are present today and into eternity.

(Rev 22:11) He that is unrighteous, let him continue to do unrighteousness, and he that is filthy, let him remain filthy, and he that is righteous, let him continue to do righteousness, and he that is holy, let him remain holy.

The two hearts in brief:
1. The unjust, immoral, who hurt, injure, offend. They are morally wrong, not righteous before God. They are therefore considered filthy and corrupted unregenerated - sinful, unrepentant in heart.
2. The righteous heart is given by God, through his Son, being 'considered' sinless, pure or holy and pleasing before God.

The Greek usage for unjust is really being unrighteous, the opposite of being righteous. And being righteous really means being justified, (the justified or just in Christ).

and...
Rev 22:12 Behold, I come suddenly; and my reward is with me, to repay everyone for what he has done.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to eat of the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside it are the dogs and the sorcerers and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and lovers and practisers of falsehood.(NEV)

Verses 14 and 15 support, reiterate, and identify the two types of hearts and the two states of living or being.

Verses 12-15 then says what has been established since the time of Christ's resurrection: One type of heart or spirit is in the Kingdom, today and forever, in the new Eden, of the new tree of life as the saints of God. The other evil hearts of today and tomorrow kept outside from the presence of God, outside the Kingdom, in a state of emptiness, void of true life.

Note: The use of the word 'outside' in verse 15, is not for a future time and a future 3D-T dimensional location where one spirit can move in and out of, from inside to the outside. It is the alternate state of being, since yesterday, today and the future. It really means to be in a different or permanently separated state, a real unpassable state. Those in one state of the Kingdom, in the house of God can never be in the 'outside' state of the 'dead' and visa-versa. No spirit can never cross into a different state of being. One heart is in the holy house of God, and the other type of heart is the home of the corrupted, filthy and immoral.

As in Luke 16:25-26, The bosom of Abraham is being in the Kingdom of the 'good' nature and state of being. The 'fiery' state is the 'evil' nature and being. Neither place can be mixed or passed from state to the other. A great gulf is permanently fixed.

Thus for yesterday, today and tomorrow, there are only two classes of people (hearts/spirits) of two states of being/living, not 3, 4 or more.

The genuine unbelievers are 'outside' the house of being with God, in a permanent different state. Their nature will always stay in that same state, the home of corruption and filth.

The genuine believer will remain in the house of God justified made righteous and holy by God through his Son. They will never perish!

 

[Johann]

@Johann well I believe I've given ample time for a response especially when there has been years being acquainted with the subject.

This a a quick primer into the two states of being or so-called 'destinations of all peoples, of yesterday, today and the future....it centers on Rev 22:11 and does not really venture outside of it as this subject can quickly spill over into many areas of scripture.

Revelation 22:11

The angel of God pronounces to John the summary judgment and fate of all human beings, past, present and future. It is a dire warning for those not wearing the Holy clothes, as a believer in Christ, and a real welcome of peace and love for those clothed in Christ's Spirit given by the Spirit of God.

The fate of all has already been set and sealed before their birth. During their lives however, those capable, of sane mind, have already made their own decisions for corrective heart surgery or not. To fix their heart or keep it in its corrupted prideful state.

No one not even God himself had coerced anyone concerning their fate; to decide for life or death as a life separated from the Spirit of God. Into not only the future, already set from the past and present, what state they will live in eternity, beyond their lives in their physical bodies.

God previously set precedence concerning a person or even a nation's fate allowing their desires of their hearts to be honored, although with consequences, of eventual judgment.

From Eden , to Cain, the age of Noah. to the Hebrews, the Israelite tribes, to the age of Christ's presence on earth, to today and beyond.

All heart-conceived actions have consequences of judgment.


(Ecc 11:9) Rejoice, young man, in your youth, and let your heart cheer you in the days of your youth, and walk in the ways of your heart, and in the sight of your eyes; but know that for all these things there is a God who will bring you into judgment for them.(NEV)

Now in Revelation 22:11 we are clearly given two views and only two views that describe two types of hearts, not four. There are not 4 conditions of the heart, only two that are present today and into eternity.

(Rev 22:11) He that is unrighteous, let him continue to do unrighteousness, and he that is filthy, let him remain filthy, and he that is righteous, let him continue to do righteousness, and he that is holy, let him remain holy.

The two hearts in brief:
1. The unjust, immoral, who hurt, injure, offend. They are morally wrong, not righteous before God. They are therefore considered filthy and corrupted unregenerated - sinful, unrepentant in heart.
2. The righteous heart is given by God, through his Son, being 'considered' sinless, pure or holy and pleasing before God.

The Greek usage for unjust is really being unrighteous, the opposite of being righteous. And being righteous really means being justified, (the justified or just in Christ).

and...
Rev 22:12 Behold, I come suddenly; and my reward is with me, to repay everyone for what he has done.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to eat of the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 Outside it are the dogs and the sorcerers and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolaters and lovers and practisers of falsehood.(NEV)

Verses 14 and 15 support, reiterate, and identify the two types of hearts and the two states of living or being.

Verses 12-15 then says what has been established since the time of Christ's resurrection: One type of heart or spirit is in the Kingdom, today and forever, in the new Eden, of the new tree of life as the saints of God. The other evil hearts of today and tomorrow kept outside from the presence of God, outside the Kingdom, in a state of emptiness, void of true life.

Note: The use of the word 'outside' in verse 15, is not for a future time and a future 3D-T dimensional location where one spirit can move in and out of, from inside to the outside. It is the alternate state of being, since yesterday, today and the future. It really means to be in a different or permanently separated state, a real unpassable state. Those in one state of the Kingdom, in the house of God can never be in the 'outside' state of the 'dead' and visa-versa. No spirit can never cross into a different state of being. One heart is in the holy house of God, and the other type of heart is the home of the corrupted, filthy and immoral.

As in Luke 16:25-26, The bosom of Abraham is being in the Kingdom of the 'good' nature and state of being. The 'fiery' state is the 'evil' nature and being. Neither place can be mixed or passed from state to the other. A great gulf is permanently fixed.

Thus for yesterday, today and tomorrow, there are only two classes of people (hearts/spirits) of two states of being/living, not 3, 4 or more.

The genuine unbelievers are 'outside' the house of being with God, in a permanent different state. Their nature will always stay in that same state, the home of corruption and filth.

The genuine believer will remain in the house of God justified made righteous and holy by God through his Son. They will never perish!

A sobering thought, isn't it brother.
J.