Are Mormons Christians? (Latter Day Saints)

[Wrangler]

Your “church” has a “side” Book…ie catechism….If you choose to agree or to choose to not agree with everything written in “that” book….does that make you any more or less a Christian?

D’at different.

 

[Marymog]

The pejorative use of the word “alleged”, for starters.

He did not come up with new Scripture any more than any other Scripture writer did is another way you are not fair and balanced.

It is alleged. Where you there? Is there ANY evidence of what Joseph Smith said except for his word? If there is ZERO evidence....it is alleged.

Scripture (the Bible) is the inspired work of God. Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon IS the inspired work of God. True or not true @Jane_Doe22?

 

[Marymog]

Didn’t Christ’s followers add to the Scripture of their day?!

Yes. They were inspired by God to add to the OT.

Do you believe Joseph Smith was inspired by God to add to Scripture in his day?

 

[Marymog]

Yea, it’s not that you continue to be overly argumentative in not accepting answers provided many times.

Honestly, I think it is funny that you believe your characterization of Joseph Smith is something approaching a fair and balanced summary.

We have not heard @Jane_Doe22 on her thoughts on Smith but let me add my 2 cents. Joseph Smith is on a list I have from Intelliquest of the 100 Greatest People. In the short section on religious leaders, his name stands unique as the only religious leader on the list to be persecuted to death in a country founded on the principle of religious liberty.

No Popes were on the list.

Ummm....not sure what Smith being on a list has to do with his writing of NEW SCRIPTURE but if it makes you feel good to point that out...Have at it!

 

[Marymog]

Good question. Let's tease it apart:

1. If a "Christian" denomination supports abortion and gay marriage, are they "Christian"? My answer to that would be, it depends on what else their members believe. The fundamental beliefs and practices that qualify one as a Christian do not include opposing abortion and gay marriage. I do think that one can still be a Christian if one supports either gay marriage or abortion or both. (I know some Catholics, including in my own family, who support both. I wouldn't consider them "good" Christians, but I consider them Christians nonetheless.)

2. Is a "Christian" denomination Christian just because they say they are? My answer to that would be No.

Nope, it doesn't depend on what else their DENOMINATION teaches. We are not talking about what each individual member of that denomination believes. We are talking about what the doctrines of the denomination are.

Nope, you can't support gay marriage (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 along with MANY other passages) and still be a Christian since supporting gay marriage supports a sin. And since abortion is murder.....well, you already know that COMMANDMENT.

Thanks for your opinion though.

 

[Marymog]

Context and comparison.

Hmmmm....but when Marymog did that....it was a diversion?

 

[Marymog]

Once again, your intellectual duplicity shows its ugly head.

God's will.​

You made up doctrine.​

Not the same thing.​

Lol....you crack me up Wrangler.

I gave MULTIPLE passages from Scripture that talked about Christian DOCTRINE showing that there IS a doctrine purity test to be a Christian. You gave NO passages from Scripture to support your theory and then you try to belittle by making an "ugly head" quip!!

If one fails to listen to The Church, they are to be kicked out of The Church.....just like Scripture says. Sooooo if you don't pass the.....as you put it...."purity test" of The Church, you get kicked out.

Keeping it real with Scripture instead of opinions.........Mary

 

[Marymog]

That LDS is a Christian denomination is a fact. There is no debating facts.

The FACT is that they call themselves Christian!

AND

The FACT is that many Christian denominations say they are not Christian with evidence to back it up.

Soooooo it sounds like there is a debate!! You have just chosen which "fact" you want to accept.

Do you ever get tired of losing debates with me?

 

[Marymog]

Mary, you of all people should be able to answer that for yourself…

Your “church” has a “side” Book…ie catechism….If you choose to agree or to choose to not agree with everything written in “that” book….does that make you any more or less a Christian?

Does it alter your one on one relationship with Christ the Lord?

Taken, go back and read what I have written and get back with me so we can have an honest discussion. A "side book" is not the same as the Book of Mormons. If you can't comprehend that then there is no reason for us to further debate this.

Having a one-on-one relationship with Christ has NOTHING to do with what the debate is.

Goodness......

 

[Marymog]

A CATHOLIC is complaining about not being sola biblia? That's hilarious.

Oh goodness.....between you and @Wrangler you are wearing me out!!

The Church has not ADDED Scripture to the NT. Your denomination has. True or not? Is the Book of Mormon Scripture or not?

From me reading your official website, they teach that it is Scripture.

 

[Marymog]

A CATHOLIC is complaining about not being sola biblia? That's hilarious.

Instead of educating me or proving me wrong you try to score brownie points with you Protestant friends on here. THAT'S Hilarious!!

Prove me wrong or stop being so condescending.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

It is alleged. Where you there? Is there ANY evidence of what Joseph Smith said except for his word? If there is ZERO evidence....it is alleged.

Scripture (the Bible) is the inspired work of God. Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon IS the inspired work of God. True or not true @Jane_Doe22?

Mary, neither Catholics nor LDS Christians believe in sola biblia. Your complaint here makes zero sense.

I treat you and other Catholics on here with great respect. I ask that you do the same to me-- thus far you've not been. My faith is in Jesus Christ, the very one Son of God.

 

[Marymog]

D’at different.

FINALLY....you got something right. The Catechism is NOT Scripture that has been added to the Bible.

Oh wait......you were being a smart aleck.......Ha ha...now I get it.

 

[Marymog]

Mary, neither Catholics nor LDS Christians believe in sola biblia. Your complaint here makes zero sense.

I treat you and other Catholics on here with great respect. I ask that you do the same to me-- thus far you've not been.

Jane,

Educate me about your denomination. Do Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon IS the inspired work of God?

I currently believe they do based on what I have read from your official website. Show me where I am wrong.

Respectfully,

Mary

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Jane,

Educate me about your denomination. Do Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon IS the inspired work of God?

I currently believe they do based on what I have read from your official website. Show me where I am wrong.

Respectfully,

Mary

What is your point?

Do you believe that a requirement to be Christian includes believing God only inspired the Bible? Do you proclaim sola biblia?

 

[Marymog]

What is your point?

Do you believe that a requirement to be Christian includes believing God only inspired the Bible? Do you proclaim sola biblia?

Educate me about your denomination. Do Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon IS the inspired work of God?

I currently believe they do based on what I have read from your official website. Show me where I am wrong.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Educate me about your denomination. Do Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon IS the inspired work of God?

I currently believe they do based on what I have read from your official website. Show me where I am wrong.

Mary: this has nothing to do with being a Christian. Catholics openly don't believe in sola biblia.

 

[Wrangler]

Scripture (the Bible) is the inspired work of God. Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon IS the inspired work of God. True or not true

1st sentence: stated as a fact when it is a belief.

2nd sentence: stated as not a fact mere belief.

True or not true?

This is just another way you show yourself as not being fair and balanced?

 

[Wrangler]

Yes. They were inspired by God to add to the OT.

Do you believe Joseph Smith was inspired by God to add to Scripture in his day?

There you go again, trying to make this personal. It doesn’t matter what I believe.

What matters is that LDS believe it.

 

[Wrangler]

Ummm....not sure what Smith being on a list has to do with his writing of NEW SCRIPTURE

You must have missed this part.

his name stands unique as the only religious leader on the list to be persecuted to death in a country founded on the principle of religious liberty.

No Popes were on the list.

Joseph Smith is a Christian martyr in a country founded on religious liberty. No other religious leader can say that.