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you do recognize that like those under the altar (Rev 6:9), have to lose their heads or die in a terrible manner in the name of Jesus Christ. The problem is, how many like you say 'I will simply stay behind and die for Him when needed....Yet, what happens if you die before you get the chance..This world is going to be turned upside down and when Daniel's 70th week begins, 3.75 billion people are going to die in the first 3.5 years according God's WORD>
Yes; millions of Christians have been killed for their faith and there is going to be many more.
But we see in Rev 12:14 and 17, that half of the Christian peoples will be kept in a safe place on earth and the other half must face persecution. This division is explained by Daniel 11:32
So its simple; Do not violate the Covenant, that is: keep strong in your faith and trust in the Lords protection. Those who didn't are mentioned in Isaiah 28:14-15

As for all who die naturally before the final test to come, their lives will be Judged on how they used their talents in each situation.

The greatest death toll is going to be the Lords terrible Day of fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 66:15, +
 

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An hallucination is: to see something that isn’t there and if what is perceived contradicts scripture, then it is from the depths of hell.

People who believe that God will rapture them to heaven sometime from now - to when Jesus Returns say, that a rapture - removal of the Church - is prophesied. But the reality is that it isn’t. Nowhere in the Bible is such a thing said to happen. Even 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, does not mention heaven.

Rapture believers say: We are not appointed to wrath, and, The Lord delivers us from tribulation. To make these scriptures mean a removal from planet earth, directly to God’s dwelling place of heaven, is an impossible stretch of the imagination.

What people seem unable to comprehend is how the Lord will facilitate the travel to, the gathering and the settling of His faithful Christian peoples, into all of the Holy Land.
Many Prophesies show this is God’s Plan for all the people who prove their trust in Him and who: Call upon His name, for His protection, through all that must happen.
Nonsense description of hallucinations @Keraz. I believe people can have hallucinations of the mental, emotional, physical and spiritual areas of stimuli.

I believe there are areas that can cause hallucinations from chemical compounds, to electro-magnetic induction and other suspicious methods including brain damage and other neurological problems. There is of course manifestations of God, heavenly mother, God's angels. Also there are dark manifestations of Satan and his dark angels.

There are also false ideas and beliefs that are fed to mankind that become a type of deception and therefore imaginary hallucination. We are seeing a divers area of such things in these days in the youth and other areas including eastern religions and other strange and non-Christian, God directed ideas and direction.

A simple statement that all hallucinations are from the depths of hell is misleading and somewhat irresponsible.

Seek counsel from God on the matter.

Hell is a prison where perpetrators of acts against God, his children are locked up in a fiery punishing area awaiting judgement. The deceptions and other crimes of the serpent and his angels are most likely the evil side of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil.
 
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A simple statement that all hallucinations are from the depths of hell is misleading and somewhat irresponsible.
I referred specifically to the hallucination of the belief that God will rapture His people to heaven.
It seems that truth rattles your cage.
I suggest you seek counsel from the plain Words of scripture and realize what a lie the rapture theory is.
 

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Yes; millions of Christians have been killed for their faith and there is going to be many more.
But we see in Rev 12:14 and 17, that half of the Christian peoples will be kept in a safe place on earth and the other half must face persecution. This division is explained by Daniel 11:32
Daniel 11 explains the last 400 years of the Bible in such detail that many scholars say 'it cant be so'
So its simple; Do not violate the Covenant, that is: keep strong in your faith and trust in the Lords protection. Those who didn't are mentioned in Isaiah 28:14-15
God's covenants are forever and it is biblical.
As for all who die naturally before the final test to come, their lives will be Judged on how they used their talents in each situation.
Judged by their works...you tend to place a mask over the obvious.
The greatest death toll is going to be the Lords terrible Day of fiery wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 66:15, +
What bible are you using....The 4th seal takes 1/4 of the earth. Rev 6,8.."And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth." Trumpet Judgements will take another 1/3 of the remaining population. Rev 9:15.."And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men."
 

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I hope to be one of the Christians persecuted it would be my honor.
I only hope I have the strength to stand before them and exclaim the Name of Jesus Christ before all men. May God give me that strength.
 

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Judged by their works...you tend to place a mask over the obvious.
Did you miss - Faith without works is dead. James 2:14
God's covenants are forever and it is biblical.
Daniel 11:32 shows it is possible for people to violate the Covenant.

You beliefs are mixed up and confused. There is only one Israel of God and it sure isn't the Israeli Jews.
 

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Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell, including many Israel wannabees!

Revelation 20:10 They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 

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Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings.
 

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Did you miss - Faith without works is dead. James 2:14

Daniel 11:32 shows it is possible for people to violate the Covenant.

You beliefs are mixed up and confused. There is only one Israel of God and it sure isn't the Israeli Jews.
We don't follow the old covenant Jesus is now the sacrifice and that will never change.No one could keep it its one of the reasons Jesus came. Israel does not do blood sacrifices anymore except blood is shed in circumcision.Its not coming back.The blood sacrifices will be part of his religion that he creates.How does Danial deal with Christianity it does not exist in his visions.He did not know what Christianity was who Jesus was or how the new sacrifice works.He would not of been given a Christian vision he would not of understood.You have to take into account the sacrifice has changed from that time.Unless Christianity completely disappears from the face of the earth we won't be going back to blood sacrifices.Why would we.Hes the one who brings it back to a blood sacrifice.
 
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Did you miss - Faith without works is dead. James 2:14
I agree for a person with no good works has no faith. but it is faith alone prior to anykind of works. with the Holy Spirit within you, can one do nothing but good works, yet are we subject to the same thought if our justification has not been completed yet.
Daniel 11:32 shows it is possible for people to violate the Covenant.

You beliefs are mixed up and confused. There is only one Israel of God and it sure isn't the Israeli Jews.
No Dan 11 show the last/missing 400 years of the OT. It is as easy as that..Covenatolgy is a false gospel according to many..when the Rapture does happen and you are not taken what is your plan B.
 

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.when the Rapture does happen and you are not taken what is your plan B.
I only have a Plan A.
It is Gods Plan and it is clearly stated in the Bible.

God’s Plan for our Time:
As the years pass by, we may wonder what it is that the Lord has next for His creation. We know the story of how He destroyed an early civilization by the means of a great flood. Jesus prophesied that in the time of the end it will again be ‘as in the days of Noah’. We can’t know how bad that civilization was, but it seems they just got on with life much the same as we do today. From God’s point of view, their problem was they failed to acknowledge Him or respect His Laws, so their Creator simply wiped them out and virtually started over again, just like anything made that turns out defective is remoulded, or with breeding; try a new bloodline. Isaiah 64:8, Jeremiah 18:6-7, Romans 9:20-21
So are the world’s people today as bad as those in Noah’s day? It seems likely, as evidenced by the decline in moral standards and the widespread disbelief in the Creator God. Jeremiah 6:18-19, Psalms 10:13, Ezekiel 20:39

Several Bible verses tell us that God the Creator takes a keen interest in what is happening on earth. Revelation 2:23b, Job 34:21-22, Proverbs 15:3, Psalms 11:4-5, Jer. 32:18-19 In our perfectly balanced and organised universe, He is playing out a drama, a set piece carefully orchestrated and arranged so that each player can choose their own role. Each person is given a conscience; a moral intuition to be aware of what is right and what is wrong, so we all make our choices as to how we live our lives.

Today, the whole world is in a precarious state, with a population of over 8 billion. There is the capacity to produce enough food and provide a reasonable lifestyle for that many, but not the altruistic desire to do so and human mismanagement exacerbates the problems. Therefore the situation deteriorates, life is difficult and short for most and only relatively few live a good and fulfilling life, while most people do not acknowledge the one true God or keep His Laws. Over 100 Bible prophesies say how God will judge the world and punish His enemies, to once again ‘reset civilization’. Deuteronomy 32:35, Psalms 18:7-15, Isaiah 2:12, Isaiah 30:25-28, Habakkuk 3:12, Zephaniah 3:8, Hebrews 10:27, 2 Thess. 1:8, Jeremiah 23:19-20, Revelation 14:17-20

Note that most of the prophesies about the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, which is the next prophesied event we can expect: being the fulfilment of Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Rev. 6:12-17, state that this time He will use fire to ‘set the heavens ablaze, the earth will be enveloped in flames and all that is in it will be brought to judgement’. 2 Peter 3:7, Isaiah 30:25-28, Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 66:15-16, Zephaniah 3:8

But the Lord’s people have a Powerful Advocate, He promises to protect and save His righteous people. Jer. 50:33-34, Isa. 51:16, Nahum 1:7, Psalms 60:4-5, Zech. 9:15-16
They will go to live in all of the holy Land; Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26

Psalms 30:1-5 I shall exalt You Lord, for You have lifted me up and not let enemies prevail. I cried out to You and You healed me, You saved my life as I was sinking into the abyss. Sing praises to the Lord, all you His loyal servants, give thanks to His holy name. In His anger there is punishment, but in His favour there is life. There may be distress at nightfall, but the morning will bring rejoicing.
 

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I only have a Plan A.
It is Gods Plan and it is clearly stated in the Bible.

God’s Plan for our Time:
As the years pass by, we may wonder what it is that the Lord has next for His creation. We know the story of how He destroyed an early civilization by the means of a great flood. Jesus prophesied that in the time of the end it will again be ‘as in the days of Noah’. We can’t know how bad that civilization was, but it seems they just got on with life much the same as we do today. From God’s point of view, their problem was they failed to acknowledge Him or respect His Laws, so their Creator simply wiped them out and virtually started over again, just like anything made that turns out defective is remoulded, or with breeding; try a new bloodline. Isaiah 64:8, Jeremiah 18:6-7, Romans 9:20-21
So are the world’s people today as bad as those in Noah’s day? It seems likely, as evidenced by the decline in moral standards and the widespread disbelief in the Creator God. Jeremiah 6:18-19, Psalms 10:13, Ezekiel 20:39

Several Bible verses tell us that God the Creator takes a keen interest in what is happening on earth. Revelation 2:23b, Job 34:21-22, Proverbs 15:3, Psalms 11:4-5, Jer. 32:18-19 In our perfectly balanced and organised universe, He is playing out a drama, a set piece carefully orchestrated and arranged so that each player can choose their own role. Each person is given a conscience; a moral intuition to be aware of what is right and what is wrong, so we all make our choices as to how we live our lives.

Today, the whole world is in a precarious state, with a population of over 8 billion. There is the capacity to produce enough food and provide a reasonable lifestyle for that many, but not the altruistic desire to do so and human mismanagement exacerbates the problems. Therefore the situation deteriorates, life is difficult and short for most and only relatively few live a good and fulfilling life, while most people do not acknowledge the one true God or keep His Laws. Over 100 Bible prophesies say how God will judge the world and punish His enemies, to once again ‘reset civilization’. Deuteronomy 32:35, Psalms 18:7-15, Isaiah 2:12, Isaiah 30:25-28, Habakkuk 3:12, Zephaniah 3:8, Hebrews 10:27, 2 Thess. 1:8, Jeremiah 23:19-20, Revelation 14:17-20

Note that most of the prophesies about the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, which is the next prophesied event we can expect: being the fulfilment of Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Rev. 6:12-17, state that this time He will use fire to ‘set the heavens ablaze, the earth will be enveloped in flames and all that is in it will be brought to judgement’. 2 Peter 3:7, Isaiah 30:25-28, Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 66:15-16, Zephaniah 3:8

But the Lord’s people have a Powerful Advocate, He promises to protect and save His righteous people. Jer. 50:33-34, Isa. 51:16, Nahum 1:7, Psalms 60:4-5, Zech. 9:15-16
They will go to live in all of the holy Land; Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26

Psalms 30:1-5 I shall exalt You Lord, for You have lifted me up and not let enemies prevail. I cried out to You and You healed me, You saved my life as I was sinking into the abyss. Sing praises to the Lord, all you His loyal servants, give thanks to His holy name. In His anger there is punishment, but in His favour there is life. There may be distress at nightfall, but the morning will bring rejoicing.
you cannot deny that there is a "Falling Away" of the Churches for GOD....But when that Last number is added to His Church, then the Rapture will Happen...I have no doubt that there will be many in the churches left in the pews where they thought they were saved. I also believe that many of those same churches will not have to look for a pastor as the pastor they had is still with them.... and I have no doubt that during this time, there will be a revival like none ever seen. Unfortunately, "the man of sin" will lead a persecution on these people for their deaths believing in Jesus Christ and the Every Lasting Gospel (different from the Church Age Gospel). As Revelation speaks of in Rev 6:9; these will be the Tribulation Saints and will serve Jesus in the 50 x 50 mile temple both day and night.
 

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...But when that Last number is added to His Church, then the Rapture will Happen
As there is nowhere in the Bible that says the Lord will take His people to heaven, the idea of a rapture is wrong and will never happen.
The faithful Christian peoples will be taken to a place of safety on earth, during the GT. Revelation 12:14
 

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As there is nowhere in the Bible that says the Lord will take His people to heaven, the idea of a rapture is wrong and will never happen.
"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know." (John 14:2-4) He did go at His ascension and He will return as He said He would...Here He is talking to His Church (his Body, His Bride) those who TRULY believe in Him totally.

"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." (1 Thes 4:13-18) Here we are told that the dead who had died ' in Jesus' will be "caught up- Harpodso" before the living and Meet us in the AIR....Not heaven but the Air....So this is an EVENT that will happen..It has no cause, no judgement,within its words, yet as an event it will happen for He states it will. NO, It is not the second coming of the LORD Jesus for we know more about the 2nd coming of Jesus than we know about His short days on earth as a man....one can deny it as they will but these are GOD's WORDs and cannot be rewritten.

"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. " (2Thes 2:1-4) Here we see that certain events that most agree on (the revealing of the man of Sin *the Anti-christ), we find that a falling away has to happen before son of perdition is revealed. This falling away is indicative of the churches on earth slowly but surely falling away from the WORD of GOD.(i.e. .As you denies, changes, rewords, etc. to make His Word to say what they want it to say, to fit their world view.)

These scriptures aabove are not of the 2nd coming of Christ. Here the true believers meet Christ in the air. The 2nd coming meets Christ on earth. The rapture and the time of the Tribulation (Daniel's 70th week) is the 1st Resurrection... The Covenant theology place the gentiles into the catbirds seat where they inhereit everything good and Israel inhereits all of the Curses. Unfortunately, I think they will find these roles have been reversed by GOD...He see the truth and only He can measure Judgement.
The faithful Christian peoples will be taken to a place of safety on earth, during the GT. Revelation 12:14
In (Rev 12,1-2) "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:.In Gen 37:9.."And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me." Joseph dreamed the same scenario that is in Rev 12.1-2. Israel is the woman depectied in Rev 12:14, not the Gentiles

Rev 12:2.. "And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered."
In later verses Rev 12-16...But one verse confirms that this Woman (Israel) is the one that GOD takes to safety on the earth during the "Great Tribulation", "Jacobs Troubles".

That verse is "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child." (Rev 12:13). Rev 12:14.."And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." Not the Faithful Christian peoples as you suggest.....You twist all scripture to suit yourself and then teach it to others. False Gospel.
 

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"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know." (John 14:2-4) He did go at His ascension and He will return as He said He would...Here He is talking to His Church (his Body, His Bride) those who TRULY believe in Him totally.

"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." (1 Thes 4:13-18) Here we are told that the dead who had died ' in Jesus' will be "caught up- Harpodso" before the living and Meet us in the AIR....Not heaven but the Air....So this is an EVENT that will happen..It has no cause, no judgement,within its words, yet as an event it will happen for He states it will. NO, It is not the second coming of the LORD Jesus for we know more about the 2nd coming of Jesus than we know about His short days on earth as a man....one can deny it as they will but these are GOD's WORDs and cannot be rewritten.

"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. " (2Thes 2:1-4) Here we see that certain events that most agree on (the revealing of the man of Sin *the Anti-christ), we find that a falling away has to happen before son of perdition is revealed. This falling away is indicative of the churches on earth slowly but surely falling away from the WORD of GOD.(i.e. .As you denies, changes, rewords, etc. to make His Word to say what they want it to say, to fit their world view.)

These scriptures aabove are not of the 2nd coming of Christ. Here the true believers meet Christ in the air. The 2nd coming meets Christ on earth. The rapture and the time of the Tribulation (Daniel's 70th week) is the 1st Resurrection... The Covenant theology place the gentiles into the catbirds seat where they inhereit everything good and Israel inhereits all of the Curses. Unfortunately, I think they will find these roles have been reversed by GOD...He see the truth and only He can measure Judgement.

In (Rev 12,1-2) "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:.In Gen 37:9.."And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me." Joseph dreamed the same scenario that is in Rev 12.1-2. Israel is the woman depectied in Rev 12:14, not the Gentiles

Rev 12:2.. "And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered."
In later verses Rev 12-16...But one verse confirms that this Woman (Israel) is the one that GOD takes to safety on the earth during the "Great Tribulation", "Jacobs Troubles".

That verse is "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child." (Rev 12:13). Rev 12:14.."And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." Not the Faithful Christian peoples as you suggest.....You twist all scripture to suit yourself and then teach it to others. False Gospel.
Total failure to provide a verse that says the Lord will take His people to heaven. The rapture to heaven cannot happen.

Those 'mansions' refer to the New Jerusalem. Revelation 21:1 after the Millennium.

When Jesus Returns, we will meet Him in the air; THEN go with Him to Jerusalem. For the Millennium.

The 'woman', of Rev 12:6 & 13-14, refers to the faithful Christian peoples. The Jewish Israelis will be Judged and punished, Isaiah 22:14
The 'man child', is plainly Jesus and we are His followers.
 

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Total failure to provide a verse that says the Lord will take His people to heaven. The rapture to heaven cannot happen.

Those 'mansions' refer to the New Jerusalem. Revelation 21:1 after the Millennium.

When Jesus Returns, we will meet Him in the air; THEN go with Him to Jerusalem. For the Millennium.

The 'woman', of Rev 12:6 & 13-14, refers to the faithful Christian peoples. The Jewish Israelis will be Judged and punished, Isaiah 22:14
The 'man child', is plainly Jesus and we are His followers.
Oh is (his people to heaven) something like "(the word Rapture is not in the Bible).....so sad....
 

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Amem, "hellucinations" is a great description!

I agree, the focus of the entire passage in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 KJV is not heaven, but the resurrection which happens down here, not up there.

I wouldn't say "impossible" - but the idea is definitely not Biblical:
  • God preserved Noah in the midst of the Flood, not from it.
  • God preserved Israel in the midst of the 7 last plagues, not from them.
  • God preserved Israel in the midst of the Red Sea, not from it.
  • God preserved Daniel's friends in the midst of the fiery furnace, not from it.
  • God preserved Daniel in the midst of the lion's den, not from it.
  • God preserved the people of Dothan in the midst of the Assyrian army, not from it.
  • God promises "a thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand, but it shall not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked".
And in spite of all this, people still claim Jesus will sneak into town and sneak out with the saints.
Yes, where do they get that idea? I don't see it in the Bible either.
 
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‘Rapture to heaven’ believers say that people who dispute their theory just cannot see or understand that belief.
It’s what we don't see in the Bible, where the difference lies. Nowhere does scripture say God intends to take His people to heaven. In fact Jesus Himself says such a thing is impossible. John 3:13, John 7:34, Revelation 2:25-26, etc.

People who read the whole Bible can establish the truth for themselves - that God's purpose is to have a people who will be His faithful believers, doing His will on earth. THAT is our task and our destiny! But a lot of people don't bother to find out this truth. They listen to teachers and read fictional books that say we can just be good people, churchgoers and tithers and God will remove them to heaven. They are told this fantastic event will happen before any judgement or testing of their faith. They are told it is the Jewish people who must face tribulation, not them.

This scenario is not found anywhere in the Bible. It is made up from assumptions and making scriptures mean something they do not. For instance, John 14:1-3 which is a prophecy about the new heavens and earth that comes down after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7

So the 'rapture to heaven' believers will never convince anyone who seriously reads their Bible. The lazy people who accept doctrines from anywhere, except the Bible, are deceived and because they choose to believe lies, the Lord has locked them into their delusions. Isaiah 29:9-12, and stopped their ears to the truth; 2 Timothy 4:4
 

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The Rapture/Harpazo does move people from Earth to heaven. Which heaven is what is not understood.