CALVINISM IS SIMPLY THE GOSPEL BELIEVED

[GodsGrace]

I didn't say it causes it. That was not the argument. Did you read the argument? It doesn't say a single syllable about causing anything.



TRUE!

But also irrelevant to the argument I presented.


No, it isn't God's fault when people decide to rebel against Him. He simply responds to the circumstance as it arises and does so with wisdom, righteous and justice (same things).




It has nothing to do with making a mistake. God Himself told Saul that his throne could have been established forever and it would have been if Saul had not rebelled again what God told him to do.

I Samuel 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, “You have done foolishly. You have not kept the commandment of the Lord your God, which He commanded you. For now the Lord would have established your kingdom over Israel forever. 14 But now your kingdom shall not continue. The Lord has sought for Himself a man after His own heart, and the Lord has commanded him to be commander over His people, because you have not kept what the Lord commanded you.”​

That's just one single example of God intending to do one thing but having to pivot and do something else because someone either rebelled or repented. The entire book of Jonah is 100% about an episode of the later. God told Nineveh that "In 40 days, Nineveh will be overthrown." but in the end, they weren't destroyed at all because they repented and instead God has to deal with His own profit who was angry WITH GOD and hadn't want to come to Nineveh in the first place precisely because he was afraid that God would do exactly this and show Nineveh mercy.

God told the Israelite that He would "without fail" drive out all of the opposing nations from before them on their way to possess the promised land but Israel rebelled and so God changed His mind and said, forget it! I said I would do it but now I'm not going to and am going to leave these people to be a thorn in your side.

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Joshua 3:10 And Joshua said, “By this you shall know that the living God is among you, and that He will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites and the Hittites and the Hivites and the Perizzites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Jebusites:​

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Just a few pages later....​

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Judges 2:1 Then the Angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said: “I led you up from Egypt and brought you to the land of which I swore to your fathers; and I said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. 2 And you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall tear down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed My voice. Why have you done this? 3 Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; but they shall be thorns in your side, and their gods shall be a snare to you.’ ” 4 So it was, when the Angel of the Lord spoke these words to all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voices and wept.​

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All of this makes perfect sense and, in fact, is entirely in keeping with the principle God taught through the prophet Jeremiah in Jeremiah 18 (perhaps the single most important chapters in the entire bible, by the way)...

Jeremiah 18:7 The instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, to pull down, and to destroy it, 8 if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will repent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it. 9 And the instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it, 10 if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will repent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it.​

There aren't many others and the ones you cited don't teach that God knows everything. In fact, there aren't any verses that do. You reading your doctrine into the verse, doesn't count. This is why proof-texting is foolishness in most cases. People have a hard time telling when they are making this mistake. Also, general statements, as in the case of I John 3:20 don't the point. You cannot rightly apply generally true statements to every particular. There's a reason why they call that a hasty generalization fallacy. In short, the word "all" is very nearly always hyperbole and we know this is the case in the I John verse because the same bible that has I John 3:20 in it also has Genesis 2:19 and 18:21.


I said what I meant. Did you read my post?

There is no such thing as "inside" of time. Time is an idea, not a place. The idea either applies or it does not.


That's your doctrine but it is not biblical nor is it rational. It is, in fact, self-contradictory. Read your own words....

"What was present BEFORE the "big bang" or, THE BEGINNING of the universe?"​

"WHEN the universe was created so was TIME.​

'BEFORE" "BEGINNING", "WHEN" are all words the presuppose the concept of time. Your attempt to use them outside of the context of time commits what is known as a stolen concept fallacy. In short, you can't even discuss the idea of "outside of time" without contradicting yourself. It is literally impossible to do. It is fundamentally and inescapably irrational. More importantly, it is entirely foreign to the bible. The only reason you believe it at all is because of Augustine importing pagan ideas from Greek philosophy into Christianity.


There isn't a single syllable of the bible that says that time is part of creation or that time will end. Indeed, quite the contrary, when this creation is ended and the New Heaven and New Earth are established, we will tell time by the fruits that are ripe on the Tree of Life. There's going to be twelve of them, each coming fruit one at a time each month.


Watches are not time.

It did, however, take time to make the watch.

This wasn't the point...and you ask if I read your posts....

The point was that GOD CREATED TIME, so HE CANNOT BE A PART OF TIME....

Let's change the watch to a book.
You write on same pages, you get some paper together, some glue and some thread, and
you make a book.

Are YOU a part of that book?
NO.
Just like God is not part of time.

Saying it doesn't make it so, GG.

The bible doesn't teach it and that's a good thing too because it's demonstrable irrational.

Why then should I believe it?


Oh yes you did learn from Augustine!

Not directly, of course, but there isn't any question about it, if you believe that God is timeless, it is precisely and ONLY because of Augustine of Hippo. He is THE genesis of that teaching within the context of Christianity and he got it from Socrates, not scripture.

OK.
When the discussion become that I didn't read your posts,
and you obviously don't understand mine....

It's time to call it quits.

If you want to believe that God is not perfect,
that He can change,
that He makes mistakes by having to choose someone different because the first person didn't work out,
that He doesn't know everything,

You certainly can.

But that's not the God I know.

This discussion is over.

 

[GodsGrace]

The students aren't getting taught at home because the parents weren't taught either.

This is true. And with post-modernism the adults ARE ATHEISTS.
They RESENT having their children come to catechism.
But they need to have that celebration and still be a "part" of the church.
It's a mess.

Nimo dat quod non habet. We cannot give what we do not have. Although, with the advent of the Internet, I don't think that at any time in history has mankind had access to so much of the Church's teaching, although one must be careful which sources one uses. Parents could do some self-study and catch up, and I know some who have.

I'm laughing A....
Here's what guys here like...
The soccer scores.
Mothers are burned out.
And the economy is a mess.
No time for God.

The old joke was that CCD class stands for Color, Cut, and Draw rather than Confraternity of Christian Doctrine.

Thanks, I needed that!
That's all they do for 3 years.
Then in the 4th year it's communion time and reconciliation time.
I used to separate into 2 different years when we had the kids from the 1st to the 7th,
now it's all in one year. Too much.
They get to the 5th and know little to nothing.
By the 6th and 7th grades, they've become little atheists and don't even listen.
Maybe on kid is interested....the rest just want to leave.
It's sooo disheartening.
I quit BTW,,,,just last night.
Know why?
Because we got a new priest. He's worse than the one who retired.
Can't put up with this nonsense anymore - getting on in years.
I taught them about Jesus and His teachings and to not leave Him.
I did my best.

An over emphasis on kenetic activity, and an assumption that the children couldn't handle the fullness of the faith taught straight up. Bad assumption, especially if you've ever seen these little ones play complicated video games. They're quite capable of understanding.

Wow. Yeah.
My point all the time.
They could learn history and math....
but some theology is just too much.
Yeah.

The Jews were chosen by God and are still His "chosen people." The issue with regard to indulgences has long been misunderstood. Indulgences are still a valid teaching of the Church. I'll add a short video by Fr. Mike that should clear up some of the issues here:

Here's another very interesting video you might enjoy. It's a testimony by a former atheist, Roy Shoeman. He’s a Harvard professor who was raised Jewish by Jewish parents who escaped the Nazi Holocaust of WWII, came to the U.S. and had him. He went to M.I.T., then Harvard, where he became an atheist and a professor. But, he always wondered that if there was no God, what was the meaning of life. One day, without warning, the curtain between heaven and earth was lifted and he saw both heaven and God. Here is his story:

Will watch both.
But I don't believe the Pope/church can establish indulgences, plenary or otherwise. I won't get into it here.

I'm not sure what you mean by the Church added to the beginning teachings, etc. Doctrine doesn't change, and no new doctrines have been added since the beginning. Some doctrines had to be formally declared, however, which is an entirely different thing. And, our understanding of docrine develops over time, deepening our understanding. But the Catholic Church has never changed any doctrines, either. For example, the Church has never said, "Wait, there are not three Divine Persons in the Trinity, there are four." Or anything like that.

A, back in 2014/15 we were sent a survey regarding "The Family".
I told my friends and catechist buddies (girl buddies) that something big was going to change.
The remarried problem was proclaimed by Francis about 2 years later.
Some were so upset that they said what you're saying: No doctrine has changed.
IT HAS CHANGED A, accept it!
And now we have Fiducia Supplicans.
Time to crawl out of the hole and understand what's going on.

The Church is in the world and must deal with the world. Christ didn't promise His protection to the Church's administrative activities or activities within the world, though. We have had many scandalous individuals in the heirarchy from the beginning (Judas betrayed Jesus; Peter denied Him three times; the rest, except for John, deserted Him during His passion, etc.). Christ only promised that the Church would never teach doctrinal error. That especially applies to the Pope, which is where we get the charism of infallibility. The Pope will never be allowed to declare an erroneous doctrine.

Now I'll go watch the video.

Well, maybe not ex-cathedra....but he's causing A LOT of trouble even with the Bishops.
You'll like the video...it's very intelligent and goes way back to the beginning.

 

[GodsGrace]

Stop moving the goalposts. And please don't broad-stroke the faith of entire denominations, without even properly understanding what they actually believed in.
'I don't say who is saved or who isn't' card is old and overused, you know.

OK
It's been a blast !

 

[GodsGrace]

Saying it doesn't make it so.

LOL
YOU say plenty of things that aren't so!

So what you say to Augustine is also for you Logikos.
Ah. Hypocricy. What an interesting attribute.

 

[Logikos]

Nice try, but no cigar.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

What I said was not my opinion, it was the facts of history. Like it or lump it.

The Catholic Church, unlike every Protestant denomination, is not a mere man-made organization.

That is a lie! You knew that was false when you wrote it!

Why is it that Catholics think its okay to tell bald faced lies in supposed defense of their church? You aren't the first one I've come across who feels free to tell the most obvious lies. Who is it that you think this is going to convince?

It is a living, Divine entity.

Saying it doesn't make it so. If it were the case, it wouldn't have taken almost 400 years for it to have gotten itself organized and it certainly would never have allied itself with the Roman government while in the process of doing so.

I would venture to bet that you don't look anything like you did when you were an infant, do you? The same with the Church. Living things grow and mature.

Silly analogy. In actual fact, most people remain quite recognizable to those who are familiar with them throughout their lives and so the analogy doesn't work to begin with, but even if were based on something actually real, it still wouldn't work because all you've done here is say that the church can end up looking like anything at all, no matter how completely different that it looked when founded or even how it looks now.

By this standard, the Catholic Church could end up endorsing sexual perversion and have child molesting priests rampant throughout its ranks!

Oh, wait a minute!!!!

Let me clue you in to something that you seem to not know.

Hurry! I'm holding my breath!

When Saul (St. Paul by his Hebrew name) was going around persecuting the Church as a Jew, Jesus knocked him off his horse and asked him (Acts 9:4), "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?" Note that Jesus didn't say, "...why are you persecuting My Church?" which he was actually doing, but, "...why are you persescuting Me?" Jesus identifies as one with His Church. His Church, the Catholic Church, is the only Church that can rightfully claim to be the original Church. God doesn't play shell games. Jesus promised, in Matt. 16:18, that "the gates of hell will never prevail against it" when referring to His Church. If He was lying, then we're all wasting our time. If He wasin't, then His Church, the Catholic Church, is still up an operating 2000 years later. When Jesus returns for the second coming, the Catholic Church will still be standing.

I've already responded to this gem of stupidity. The church that Saul was persecuting was the bride of Christ, not Christ Himself. The body of Christ didn't even begin until the very episode you are citing, when Saul was converted and became Paul, the first member of the Body of Christ.
Your complete lack of understanding of the book of Acts is no surprise, however, because you do not care to learn God's word. You want to worship Mary and trust in religious rituals and good works for your salvation. If you're saved at all, which I good reason to doubt, you'll be among those who are saved as though through fire. (I Corinthians 3:15)

 

[Logikos]

Agreed. Saying it also doesn't make it not so. So, what's your point?

My point is that all you do is make claims and have nothing to support them by way of actual argument or evidence. My point is that no one is convinced by your having simply shown up here to state your doctrine.

Make an argument!! If you can.

Then, even if everyone remains unconvinced, both you and they will have been edified. As it is, you're basically just wasting everyone's time, including your own.

 

[Logikos]

LOL
YOU say plenty of things that aren't so!

Saying it doesn't make is so, GG.

If you can refute a syllable of my doctrine, I'll read it gladly.

I dare you to try.

So what you say to Augustine is also for you Logikos.

Prove it. No one cares, least of all me, about your personal opinions. If you can't back up your claims with evidence and actual arguments then just keep it yourself.

Ah. Hypocricy. What an interesting attribute.

Says the guy who posts three sentence posts that make claims without a single syllable of evidence or actual argument.

 

[Logikos]

Short side note. Christianity is not Bible-based. It's Church-based. The Catholic Church preceded the New Testament in writing. Christ didn't write a book to spread His truths. He taught orally. He founded a (ONE) Church in order to do so. It is this Church, the Catholic Church, that wrote the New Testament and compiled the Bible, not as a do-it-yourself kit, but as a tool of the Church. Jesus didn't come 16 centuries later and tell anyone they could go out and create 40,000+ new churches all based on someone's personal interpretation of a translation of a book His Church compiled, all with different and contradictory docrines, straying from the complete Deposit of Faith He gave His Church.

Laughable stupidity.

Want proof? Here it is....

A56,

Is God okay with it if children want to be transsexual?



Now, sit back and watch to see how that question is answered. He has two choices. He can contradict his church or he can contradict 6000 years of Judeo-Christian moral standards that date all the way back to the historical times recorded in the book of Genesis. I wonder which he'll decide to part with? (Not really, I already know which side of that fence he'll fall on.)

 

[Grailhunter]

as it is written: 'There is no one who is righteous, not even one; there is no one who has understanding, there is no one who seeks God.'" (Rom 3:10-11)

Some people are inherently negative and sometimes it is about condemning others or even all of humanity and sometime that negativity is about deceiving others….

The words righteous and righteousness appears around 458 times in the Bible, talking about those that are righteous or defining righteous and what do you pick? The one verse that condemns everyone. You can find what you want in the Bible, especially if you ignore over 4 hundred verses to find the one you want. Standard cult practice….

The whole thing is about deceiving people into thinking they are puppets under control of the Great Puppet Master. The whole Calvinist religion is all about lies and deception.

 

[Logikos]

I'd literally be embarrassed, certainly far too embarrassed to show up on a public forum, if I was as intellectually dishonest as are most (not all) of the people I've interacted with on this website. I simply cannot comprehend how it is possible for someone not to care whether the ideas they've staked their immortal souls on make any sense or not!

I just do not get it.

 

[face2face]

Is there a point somewhere in there? Try fleshing that out a little bit.

Both Jewish & Christian houses (Temples) needed to be abandoned due to their leprosy of mind. While they both appeared full of people the Elect escaped waiting for the time when Christ will cleanse them both!

F2F

 

[Piers Plowman]

Some people are inherently negative and sometimes it is about condemning others or even all of humanity and sometime that negativity is about deceiving others….

The words righteous and righteousness appears around 458 times in the Bible, talking about those that are righteous or defining righteous and what do you pick? The one verse that condemns everyone. You can find what you want in the Bible, especially if you ignore over 4 hundred verses to find the one you want. Standard cult practice….

The whole thing is about deceiving people into thinking they are puppets under control of the Great Puppet Master. The whole Calvinist religion is all about lies and deception.

As opposed to... universalism?

 

[Grailhunter]

As opposed to... universalism?

Universalism.....Calvinism......OSAS......Jehovah's Witnesses......all hayrides to hell.

 

[Piers Plowman]

Universalism.....Calvinism......OSAS......Jehovah's Witnesses......all hayrides to hell.

Well now, hold on a minute. Assurance of Salvation is a rather important cornerstone for one's faith. I, personally, firmly, believe that Jesus Christ saved me from perdition. I have assurance of that. OSAS can't be handwaved away that easily. Saints need perseverance.

 

[Ritajanice]

Commentary.


We know from John 3:5 that it’s the Holy Spirit that causes us to be born again. “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

We know from 1 Corinthians 12:3, “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.”

We know from Romans 8:13 that you must put to death the deeds of the body by the Spirit or perish.

We know from 2 Thessalonians 2:13 that all our efforts to pursue holiness will be hopeless because sanctification is by the Spirit.

We know from Ephesians 1:17 that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of wisdom and that, without him, you will live lives of absolute foolishness. Look around the world. Insanity. Because the Holy Spirit inhabits so few. And he’s the Spirit of wisdom.

We know from 1 Corinthians 12:7, that “to each [believer] is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.”

We know from Romans 8:11 that “if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.”

No Spirit, no resurrection. No Spirit, no new birth. No Spirit, no confession of the lordship of Jesus. No Spirit, no victory over sin. No Spirit, no progress in sanctification. No Spirit, no spiritual wisdom. No Spirit, no spiritual gifts, and no resurrection.

 

[Grailhunter]

Well now, hold on a minute. Assurance of Salvation is a rather important cornerstone for one's faith. I, personally, firmly, believe that Jesus Christ saved me from perdition. I have assurance of that. OSAS can't be handwaved away that easily. Saints need perseverance.

Wave good-bye as you ride that hand basket down the river to hell.
Salvation is secure but that does not mean you cannot sin your way out of it. Salvation and Grace is not a license to sin. Just the idea that you think you can play Christ as a fool is a major sin, then doing it shows the intent of an evil heart. Tell them to pack the barbeque sauce in your casket because you are going to need it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Universalism.....Calvinism......OSAS......Jehovah's Witnesses......all hayrides to hell.

I believe OSAS is a damnable doctrine, besides being unbiblical.
And here's the reason why:
OSAS states that once a person becomes born again, nothing he does (or does not do) can keep him from being saved.

Let's consider the ramifications for a minute.

Is this what Jesus taught?
Certainly not.

John 5:28-29 comes to mind:
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

And yet, you'll read many on these forums that state that ONLY faith is necessary and some will go so far as to say that good deeds/works are a SIN, because they nullify the sacrifice of Jesus.

Nothing could be further from the truth.
Jesus said that if we want to be His disciples - those that follow Him - we must pick up our cross daily.
Luke 9:23

Paul taught that IF we deny Jesus HE will also deny us.
2 Timothy 2:12

Those sound like very serious statements that should be heeded by every Christian.

Those that teach OSAS are putting many in danger of becoming lost, because it goes against what Jesus taught,
and Paul and every other writer of the NT.

 

[Ritajanice]

Once Born Again always Born Again, you can’t be un - birthed by the Spirit Of God.....which comes by divine revelation, as his word says....Spirit gives birth to spirit.....Praise God!.....

Born Again in our spirit, heirs with Christ, we are right before God as soon as our spirit becomes Born Again by divine revelation, mind Blowing!!

Once Born Again always Born Again, does not go against the word of God...it is the word of God.


1 Peter 1
King James Version
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:

15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

 

[Ritajanice]

John 10
King James Version
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.

41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.

42 And many believed on him there.

 

[Ritajanice]

Putting the record straight on those who think a Born Again can do whatever they like, not so, that is not what the word of God says.

They twist Gods word, and think we have a license to sin, unfortunately they are ignorant imo, to the meaning of Born Again .....hopefully it’s meaning will be revealed to their heart by divine revelation..only the Holy Spirit can give revelation to the heart of Gods child....which is all in his timing.

◄ 1 John 3:9 ►
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New International Version
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

New Living Translation
Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

English Standard Version
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Standard Bible
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Berean Literal Bible
Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God.

King James Bible
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

New King James Version
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.