I have no issue with you. I think you are still probably a decent person in most ways not involving trans people.
Lots here S. Will have to reply later on.
I'm not against trans persons.
I'm against DOCTORS that MUTILATE minors because of whatever reason they may have.
The Nazis were better .... at least they knew they were doing something WRONG.
These doctors believe they're doing someone a service by mutilating them.
They should be STOPPING these operations....not encouraging them.
Like I said....they like the practice....not all doctors are moral persons, as you may know.
Just like I’ve met racists who are still decent people outside of not likening people of color but otherwise are great people.
How is a racist a great person?
How is a racist a decent person?
I don’t know if you hate trans people or not.
I don't hate anybody.
Jesus said that if you hate someone, it's the same as having murder in your heart.
Jesus didn't waste His breath....He knew He had little time.
He meant what He said.
Some just disagree with people being trans as teens, and some just don’t like the surgeries
I think I've made my position VERY CLEAR on the above.
but are ok with them having social transitions. Most people don’t really understand the process for the overwhelming majority of trans people. There are outlier cases where some surgeon may operate on the genitalia of a trans preteen or young teen but it’s not common,
Let me say again:
IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE AT ALL.
I DON'T CARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
or even supported by a large portion of people who are liberal or part of the community themselves.
A large portion of Romans supported games in the Colosseum and the Circus Maximus that involved humans dying to the death.
Did that make it right?
Anyway,,, I do believe that the outcome of the election proved that people of the US are sick and tired of what's going on...
Liberalism, as it is today, needs to vanish as soon as possible.
This is the common process.
A little kid is vocal about being trans from as young as 4-5 years old. They have behaviors that don’t fit the normal cis gender stereotypes. A little boy that prefers putting on dresses, who naturally gravitates towards little girls and likes to play doll and so on. Now all kids can go through this phase. But for some kids the phase never ends. But at that age it’s hard to tell if they are gay or just very feminine or just weird.
I do believe I've made my position clear on this and will not continue to do so.
For the very reason that you state....
CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE GETTING PILLS OR OPERATIONS.
But as they grow older and older and become preteens you see them panicking about things like they are growing a mustache. They want to shave their legs and arms. They shave their armpits. They like to use eyeliner and still don’t fit any of the typical male stereotypes. They start having body dysmorphia. They feel depressed constantly. This is around the age 12-14 they start to get very suicidal if they don’t have an affirming family. It’s when trans boys start to wear baggy clothes and bind their chest. They cut hair short. They start to go into a panic mode.
Yes. Suicidal.
The doctors told Elon Musk that his son was going to commit suicide so he had him put in the hands of the doctors.
He has since LOST HIS SON.
His son is still ALIVE...
but he's really DEAD.
With an affirming family who has raised this kid from birth, who has always noticed these things about them at this age what tends to happen is what is called social transitioning. Instead of having the little boy Alex go by Alex the parents will called them Alexia. They will inform the school and friends and family that the kid will officially be going by another name. They will let the kid paint their nails, grow out their hair, and wear feminine clothes. They will use she/her pronouns. As the kid begins to move from preteen and young teen they typically start what is called hormone blockers and hormone blockers don’t seem to affect anyone from being able to have kids.
The above is SICK.
Parents who reinforce this ARE SICK.
Doctors who encourage this ARE SICK.
So Alex, now called Alexa is taking hormone blockers. This reduces them developing a more masculine body. Their body does not produce significant amounts of testosterone. But if they decided to stop, they can and it’s reversible. Even after many many years. If from 14-16 they continue to live their life as a trans girl on hormone blockers and being treated socially as a girl they will still be perfectly healthy. For fact it significantly reduces the chances of them committing suicide. As they approach 16 this is when deeper thoughts are needed. This is when discussions with therapists, psychiatrists and surgeons come into play. Alexa may begin small amounts of estrogen and may have minor surgeries like waist tightening, may have some facial surgeries and so on. If by 17 heading into 18 the teen is still persistent and consistent in who they are this is when you start heavier irreversible changes. Top and bottom surgery. Heavier doses of feminization hormone therapy. Even then most trans people can’t ever even afford this. Most even as young adults the best they get is top surgery, hormone blockers and social transitioning controlling what name they have legally and so on.
Most people don’t support top and bottom surgery and transitional hormones for young adults. The majority of surgeries in teens are lip surgery and facial feminization surgeries.
THE ABOVE IS SICK.
Children are CHILDREN.
And they should REMAIN CHILDREN until they become ADULTS.
And, for such extreme reasons,,,,I'd say to require the age of, maybe, 25 or even older.
So with that said. I’m still not coming back into this discussion on this thread. I meant saying I’m pulling out of the convo. That was it. I was not mad, just bored of it and felt it’s a waste of time. This may be the first time we’ve talked about it. But it’s about the 8,000th time I’ve talked about in the last 8 years. It’s literally the same discussion with just a different face and name.
Gee. I wonder why you've talked about it so much.
Maybe it's because regular, normal folk understand HOW SICK the process is.
Thanks God Trump won.
Maybe he'll slow things down or make them ILLEGAL...that would be my dream.
I have no real issue with you. I get you were being hyperbolic and trying to use red herrings to prove a point. I’ll still talk to you in other threads. Someone you even ended up on another social media of mine I’ll still talk with you there.
Hyperbole.....yes.
Red Herring.....no.
I just meant I don’t see a point in continuing this specific conservation in this thread for now. I think there are better ways for me to carry on this conversation in this forum at a later date.
Hmmm. I doubt it would do any good.
The reason why is because I know that trans people are real. I know that trans people, including teens and young adults kill themselves all the time. 82% of trans youths consider seriously ending their life with 40% attempting it. Over 300 trans people are brutally murdered each year. Shot or stabbed to death. Every 45 seconds a trans teen or young adult attempts suicide between the ages of 13-24. In India, 31% of trans people successfully committed suicide before the age of 20. Gender affirming care with family and friends who accepted teen and young adults as trans reduced those suicides by 75%. 3 out of 4 less trans people commits suicide among affirming families. There is a common saying among parents of trans kids who have killed themselves. “ it’s better to have a trans kid than a dead kid”.
I have nothing further to say.
I believe we're contributing to the SICKNESS our society is experiencing.
