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@Skovand I just want to say I (and most Christians) don't hate anyone.

But if something is against what the Word of God teaches, we will speak against that behavior if the opportunity presents itself. (Speaking the truth in love...)
Some might count it hateful or a little harsh of Paul for speaking by the Spirit in the following fashion

Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

And we know those whom the Lord himself loves he rebukes and chastens. However, in this world that is too often not perceived as being a loving thing to do. But the scripture speaks of how an enemy's kisses are considered deceitful, whereas the wounds of a friend are counted as faithful.

The kisses might feel better than the wounds and so the wounds are often called "unloving" or someone might accuse you of not having the fruit of the Spirit, but Paul said what he said by the Holy Spirit.
 

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Psalm 111:10
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;

2 Kings 17 They didn't fear God so He sent lions to kill them!
OK Jack.
I believe the bible speaks of fear in the sense of having respect for God.
Fear is being afraid.
Being afraid is a physical condition besides being a psychological condition.

I believe we're to be afraid of satan.

Jesus taught that we are to Love God....
We're a family.
Family members should not be fearing each other but respecting and loving each other.

Plus: You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

1 John 4:19
19We love because He first loved us.

1 John 3:1
1See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are.

1 John 4:8
8Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.


I teach children our faith.
I teach them that God loves them and that they should love Him back.
I don't tell them that they should love God because otherwise they're going to hell.
That doesn't work very well Jack.

But...whatever you believe is what you believe.
I just don't agree with your method.
 
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My Bible Teaches The Unsaved Will Be Eternally Tormented In The Lake Of Fire, Read It Again And Again, 7th Day Adventist And Jehovah's Witnesses Deny This Fact Before Your Eyes, They Falsely Teach Annihilation And Soul Sleep

Revelation 14:9-11KJV
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Luke 16:24-31KJV
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Well you won't get any grief from me.
I'm not denying that hell exists.

What I'm saying is that it's not a good method of witnessing.
Although it might work for a select few....but not in general.
It will tend to turn persons away from God.

But you seem to be like the other member....
Do you get joy out of speaking about hell?
That's glorifying satan instead of God.

Read Philippians 4:8 and ponder it for a while.
8Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.
9The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
 
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Well you won't get any grief from me.
I'm not denying that hell exists.

What I'm saying is that it's not a good method of witnessing.
Although it might work for a select few....but not in general.
It will tend to turn persons away from God.

But you seem to be like the other member....
Do you get joy out of speaking about hell?
That's glorifying satan instead of God.

Read Philippians 4:8 and ponder it for a while.
8Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things.
9The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
God is love and judgement, a Christian must show both sides of the coin, its not all about sunshine with birds singing in the trees, Sodom and Gomorrah and its destruction is left to man as an example of God's judgement, both sides of the coin, not just one

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
 

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I have no issue with you. I think you are still probably a decent person in most ways not involving trans people.

Lots here S. Will have to reply later on.
I'm not against trans persons.
I'm against DOCTORS that MUTILATE minors because of whatever reason they may have.
The Nazis were better .... at least they knew they were doing something WRONG.
These doctors believe they're doing someone a service by mutilating them.
They should be STOPPING these operations....not encouraging them.
Like I said....they like the practice....not all doctors are moral persons, as you may know.

Just like I’ve met racists who are still decent people outside of not likening people of color but otherwise are great people.
How is a racist a great person?
How is a racist a decent person?

I don’t know if you hate trans people or not.
I don't hate anybody.
Jesus said that if you hate someone, it's the same as having murder in your heart.

Jesus didn't waste His breath....He knew He had little time.
He meant what He said.

Some just disagree with people being trans as teens, and some just don’t like the surgeries
I think I've made my position VERY CLEAR on the above.
but are ok with them having social transitions. Most people don’t really understand the process for the overwhelming majority of trans people. There are outlier cases where some surgeon may operate on the genitalia of a trans preteen or young teen but it’s not common,
Let me say again:
IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE AT ALL.
I DON'T CARE THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

or even supported by a large portion of people who are liberal or part of the community themselves.
A large portion of Romans supported games in the Colosseum and the Circus Maximus that involved humans dying to the death.

Did that make it right?

Anyway,,, I do believe that the outcome of the election proved that people of the US are sick and tired of what's going on...
Liberalism, as it is today, needs to vanish as soon as possible.

This is the common process.
A little kid is vocal about being trans from as young as 4-5 years old. They have behaviors that don’t fit the normal cis gender stereotypes. A little boy that prefers putting on dresses, who naturally gravitates towards little girls and likes to play doll and so on. Now all kids can go through this phase. But for some kids the phase never ends. But at that age it’s hard to tell if they are gay or just very feminine or just weird.
I do believe I've made my position clear on this and will not continue to do so.

For the very reason that you state....
CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE GETTING PILLS OR OPERATIONS.

But as they grow older and older and become preteens you see them panicking about things like they are growing a mustache. They want to shave their legs and arms. They shave their armpits. They like to use eyeliner and still don’t fit any of the typical male stereotypes. They start having body dysmorphia. They feel depressed constantly. This is around the age 12-14 they start to get very suicidal if they don’t have an affirming family. It’s when trans boys start to wear baggy clothes and bind their chest. They cut hair short. They start to go into a panic mode.
Yes. Suicidal.
The doctors told Elon Musk that his son was going to commit suicide so he had him put in the hands of the doctors.
He has since LOST HIS SON.
His son is still ALIVE...
but he's really DEAD.

With an affirming family who has raised this kid from birth, who has always noticed these things about them at this age what tends to happen is what is called social transitioning. Instead of having the little boy Alex go by Alex the parents will called them Alexia. They will inform the school and friends and family that the kid will officially be going by another name. They will let the kid paint their nails, grow out their hair, and wear feminine clothes. They will use she/her pronouns. As the kid begins to move from preteen and young teen they typically start what is called hormone blockers and hormone blockers don’t seem to affect anyone from being able to have kids.

The above is SICK.
Parents who reinforce this ARE SICK.
Doctors who encourage this ARE SICK.

So Alex, now called Alexa is taking hormone blockers. This reduces them developing a more masculine body. Their body does not produce significant amounts of testosterone. But if they decided to stop, they can and it’s reversible. Even after many many years. If from 14-16 they continue to live their life as a trans girl on hormone blockers and being treated socially as a girl they will still be perfectly healthy. For fact it significantly reduces the chances of them committing suicide. As they approach 16 this is when deeper thoughts are needed. This is when discussions with therapists, psychiatrists and surgeons come into play. Alexa may begin small amounts of estrogen and may have minor surgeries like waist tightening, may have some facial surgeries and so on. If by 17 heading into 18 the teen is still persistent and consistent in who they are this is when you start heavier irreversible changes. Top and bottom surgery. Heavier doses of feminization hormone therapy. Even then most trans people can’t ever even afford this. Most even as young adults the best they get is top surgery, hormone blockers and social transitioning controlling what name they have legally and so on.

Most people don’t support top and bottom surgery and transitional hormones for young adults. The majority of surgeries in teens are lip surgery and facial feminization surgeries.
THE ABOVE IS SICK.

Children are CHILDREN.
And they should REMAIN CHILDREN until they become ADULTS.

And, for such extreme reasons,,,,I'd say to require the age of, maybe, 25 or even older.

So with that said. I’m still not coming back into this discussion on this thread. I meant saying I’m pulling out of the convo. That was it. I was not mad, just bored of it and felt it’s a waste of time. This may be the first time we’ve talked about it. But it’s about the 8,000th time I’ve talked about in the last 8 years. It’s literally the same discussion with just a different face and name.
Gee. I wonder why you've talked about it so much.

Maybe it's because regular, normal folk understand HOW SICK the process is.
Thanks God Trump won.
Maybe he'll slow things down or make them ILLEGAL...that would be my dream.
I have no real issue with you. I get you were being hyperbolic and trying to use red herrings to prove a point. I’ll still talk to you in other threads. Someone you even ended up on another social media of mine I’ll still talk with you there.
Hyperbole.....yes.
Red Herring.....no.
I just meant I don’t see a point in continuing this specific conservation in this thread for now. I think there are better ways for me to carry on this conversation in this forum at a later date.
Hmmm. I doubt it would do any good.

The reason why is because I know that trans people are real. I know that trans people, including teens and young adults kill themselves all the time. 82% of trans youths consider seriously ending their life with 40% attempting it. Over 300 trans people are brutally murdered each year. Shot or stabbed to death. Every 45 seconds a trans teen or young adult attempts suicide between the ages of 13-24. In India, 31% of trans people successfully committed suicide before the age of 20. Gender affirming care with family and friends who accepted teen and young adults as trans reduced those suicides by 75%. 3 out of 4 less trans people commits suicide among affirming families. There is a common saying among parents of trans kids who have killed themselves. “ it’s better to have a trans kid than a dead kid”.
I have nothing further to say.
I believe we're contributing to the SICKNESS our society is experiencing.
 

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Did you know if you get the Covid vaccine you are less likely to get Covid and if you do, the virus has a much shorter span to spread or mutate. Did you know those who reject the virus are directly responsible for helping to spread it even further, killing even more people. I mean that’s common knowledge.
I think that's why a lot of people just can't bring themselves to be saved by Jesus.
They just cannot and will not admit they are wrong about anything.
And most times it's not their fault. It's because they willingly believe what they have been taught without ever questioning authority.
But there comes a time when the evidence is so overwhelming that you have to make a choice and choose if you willfully want to seek after truth or if you willfully want to stay ignorant.

And there is absolutely nothing I can say or show that will convince anyone otherwise. They have their mind made up like a bag of concrete.
Suffice it to say that I live with 0 fear. None, nil, zero, zilch.
I understand that in this world we are given a short time to believe God, trust God, and to have all confidence and faith in him.
No matter when, or how or why I die, makes no difference to me. I know where I'm going after this life. I will be with Him forever.
No plague, no war, no famine, no despair can touch my soul.

None of what you stated above is factually true. It's what you have been programmed to believe by people who want to make a lot of money and don't care who they hurt or kill to get it.
Someday you may realize this. I hope it won't be too late.

When you truly believe in God and trust him and have all faith,
there is NOTHING the world can throw at you to cause you to fear ANYTHING.

If you have FEAR you don't know God.

Hugs
 

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God is love and judgement, a Christian must show both sides of the coin, its not all about sunshine with birds singing in the trees, Sodom and Gomorrah and its destruction is left to man as an example of God's judgement, both sides of the coin, not just one

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
These are some of my favorite words:
GOD IS LOVE.
GOD IS MERCY.
GOD IS JUST.

We can discuss the two sides among ourselves....but I tend not to get into this because I don't see the need to.
As I said...I don't think this is a good witnessing method.
 

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Just sayin,


Hugs
OMG
It looks so real.
He's gone this far?
I'm attending a CC right now....
Catholics that know what's going on DO NOT LIKE this Pope.
I put nothing past him.

Why did you post this?
I don't follow along really well....
 
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OK Jack.
I believe the bible speaks of fear in the sense of having respect for God.
Fear is being afraid.
Yep, as the NT says "fear and trembling".
Being afraid is a physical condition besides being a psychological condition.
FEAR GOD is a main Biblical doctrine, IE eternity in Hell Fire.
I believe we're to be afraid of satan.
Scripture please.
Jesus taught that we are to Love God....
We're a family.
Family members should not be fearing each other but respecting and loving each other.

Plus: You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
II Kings 17 They didn't fear God so He sent lions to kill them.
1 John 4:19
19We love because He first loved us.

1 John 3:1
1See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are.

1 John 4:8
8Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.


I teach children our faith.
I teach them that God loves them and that they should love Him back.
I don't tell them that they should love God because otherwise they're going to hell.
That doesn't work very well Jack.

But...whatever you believe is what you believe.
I just don't agree with your method.
I believe Jesus.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
 
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Yep, as the NT says "fear and trembling".

FEAR GOD is a main Biblical doctrine, IE eternity in Hell Fire.

Scripture please.

II Kings 17 They didn't fear God so He sent lions to kill them.

I believe Jesus.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
You want a verse please?

I'm not even willing to discuss this.

You must have me mixed up with someone else on this forum.....
 

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You want a verse please?

I'm not even willing to discuss this.

You must have me mixed up with someone else on this forum.....
Yes, otherwise it only opinion. God of the Bible overrules everyone.
 

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"I believe we're to be afraid of satan."
Oh.
And YOU are not afraid of satan?
You think he's your friendly next door neighbor?

How's this:

1 Peter 5:8
8Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

2 Corinthians 11:3
3But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.

Acts 5:3
3But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit

John 10:10
10“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy;



There's more but that should suffice as to why we should fear the devil.
 

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Oh.
And YOU are not afraid of satan?
You think he's your friendly next door neighbor?

How's this:

1 Peter 5:8
8Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

2 Corinthians 11:3
3But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ.

Acts 5:3

3But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit

John 10:10

10“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy;


There's more but that should suffice as to why we should fear the devil.
If God doesn't protect you then by all means be afraid of Satan!
 

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If God doesn't protect you then by all means be afraid of Satan!
That's a very silly comment Jack.
Guess you've never been sick.
Guess no one you know has ever died.
Guess NOTHING bad happens to you because God is protecting you.

Remember this:
All good things come from above.

Everything else comes from satan....
UNLESS you like to think that evil comes from God.

If you see a lion in the jungle you should be afraid of him.
Fear is a good thing.

God told Caine that evil/sin was lurking at the door.
I do believe that evil/sin is caused by satan.

It would do you well to acknowledge that satan is the prince of the air (this world)....
and to be aware of him....
and to be fearful of what he could do.
 

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That's a very silly comment Jack.
Guess you've never been sick.
Guess no one you know has ever died.
Guess NOTHING bad happens to you because God is protecting you.

Remember this:
All good things come from above.

Everything else comes from satan....
UNLESS you like to think that evil comes from God.

If you see a lion in the jungle you should be afraid of him.
Fear is a good thing.

God told Caine that evil/sin was lurking at the door.
I do believe that evil/sin is caused by satan.

It would do you well to acknowledge that satan is the prince of the air (this world)....
and to be aware of him....
and to be fearful of what he could do.
Luke 10:19
19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
 

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Luke 10:19
19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
You have the last word.
I won't get into whether the serpents and scorpions are real or intended to be spiritual in nature.
 

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You have the last word.
I won't get into whether the serpents and scorpions are real or intended to be spiritual in nature.
Satan is THE serpent. He's real. He LOVES it when people deny his reality. His ministers are preaching all over the world in 'Christian' churches!

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

Revelation 12:9
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
 
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