The Future Great Tribulation Is 3.5 Years Long, The Beast And Two Witnesses Will Be On This Earth In Power Until The End

[Timtofly]

No,the armed forces occupying Israel are not beheaded for their testimony of Jesus .

The king of the south attacks the king of the norths armed forces stationed in Israel and kills them at the time of the end.


This is when the two witnesses and their army under them is killed in verse 40.

Daniel 11:39-49
39 He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.[d]

40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood.

That already happened back in the 3rd kingdom. You are transposing Greek history into the future.

 

[Timtofly]

False
The first beast with seven heads came up out of the sea.Thosbos the beast which received a deadly wound.

The last beast ,comes up out of the abyss .


As is Daniel .There are ten horns who have one mind.
Then there is a little horn diverse from.the first.The little horn which persecutes the saints is not the same as the ten horns .The ten horns attack Babylon.The little horn is the king of Babylon.


The dragon which attempted to kill the child in revelation 12 was Herod,.

Obviously the sea is the sea of humanity, ie human government.

Satan comes in and out of his house when the front door is opened at the 5th Trumpet.

 

[tailgator]

That already happened back in the 3rd kingdom. You are transposing Greek history into the future.

You believe the time of the end when the resurection takes place was In Greek history?
I would not expect anything less from you.

Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

[Timtofly]

The point is,Jerusalem does not kill the two witnesses.You miss the point.


Mathew
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Jerusalem is included as riding on the same 7 headed beast. But the 6 heads are still historical kingdoms from the time of Daniel.

 

[Timtofly]

The text of the 6th seal doesn't mention anything like that, nor fire or burning of any kind either.

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

No, but 2 Peter 3 does and that is the same event as the 6th Seal.

 

[Timtofly]

You believe the time of the end when the resurection takes place was In Greek history?
I would not expect anything less from you.

Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

You quoted from chapter 11. Why are you moving to another chapter?

 

[tailgator]

You quoted from chapter 11. Why are you moving to another chapter?

Chapter 12 is a conversation about the events in chapter 11.
They never stopped their conversation and changed the subject.Its still the same conversation about the same subject.

The time, times and a half time in Daniel 12 begins with the arrival of the man of sins armed forces in Daniel ,11:31 and ends with the resurection in Daniel 12:2.
The persecution of the saints in Daniel 12:33-35 last for 42 months just as revelation 13 shows.


A time,times and a half time =42 months



Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand

 

[ewq1938]

No, but 2 Peter 3 does and that is the same event as the 6th Seal.

Same event but no fire mentioned in the seal? It is not the same event. The seal describes the second coming, 2 Peter 3 describes events after the GWTJ are over.

 

[tailgator]

Same event but no fire mentioned in the seal? It is not the same event. The seal describes the second coming, 2 Peter 3 describes events after the GWTJ are over.

The cloud departing as a scroll being rolled together is where the fire is .

The beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire 1000 years before the devil is cast in.

 

[ewq1938]

The cloud departing as a scroll being rolled together is where the fire is .

There is no fire in such a description.

 

[tailgator]

There is no fire in such a description.

You would know there is if you knew what kind of cloud departs from the earth as a scroll being rolled together.That kind of cloud is also accompanied by an earthquake as also described in Rev 6.

This happens when such as cloud departs from the earth.

Zech 14
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

And yes,this is what happens in Jerusalem on the day of the Lord when Jesus comes.Them in judea flee to the mountains to hide in the dens of the mountains and say to the mountains to fall on us just as revelation 6 shows.It doesn't take place all.over the world.Just one area of the world.The kingdom where the beast resides today.


Luke 23
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.



The GWT judgement takes place 1000 years after this.Then it will be the entire world.

 

[Timtofly]

Chapter 12 is a conversation about the events in chapter 11.
They never stopped their conversation and changed the subject.Its still the same conversation about the same subject.

The time, times and a half time in Daniel 12 begins with the arrival of the man of sins armed forces in Daniel ,11:31 and ends with the resurection in Daniel 12:2.
The persecution of the saints in Daniel 12:33-35 last for 42 months just as revelation 13 shows.


A time,times and a half time =42 months



Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand

The end of the time of the Greeks has not been ongoing for 2300 years.

There is no explicit explanation that either chapter even talks about the Romans. Of course the discussion goes all the way to even our future. Daniel is seeing the mountains in the distance, except there were 3 mountain ranges with hundreds of miles between each mountain range. How can you say there is a divide between Greece and Rome, but then deny the chapter is still talking about Greece?

Not even the NT writers could imagine there was 2,000 years left, before a return of Jesus, even though a time, times, and half a time is 3500 years. Amil will deny the last 1,000 years even exist. You just take fulfilled prophecy and appropriate it for your own life time.

You are using the end of the Greek Empire, and "Roman Empire" to concoct a 7 year period, you think is yet to happen.

 

[Timtofly]

Same event but no fire mentioned in the seal? It is not the same event. The seal describes the second coming, 2 Peter 3 describes events after the GWTJ are over.

The GWTJ is over a thousand years after the baptism of fire, just like we are 2,000 years post the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Jesus does not baptize at the end of His Millennial Kingdom. Jesus baptized the NT church at the beginning. So the baptism of fire happens at the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom.

 

[Timtofly]

There is no fire in such a description.

How many times do the heavens dissappear?
2 Peter 3:10

"in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise"

Revelation 6:10

"and the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together"

Matthew 24:29

"the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"

Before Jesus sets up His earth, this old one has to go through a change, including the heavens forever changing.

 

[tailgator]

The end of the time of the Greeks has not been ongoing for 2300 years.

There is no explicit explanation that either chapter even talks about the Romans. Of course the discussion goes all the way to even our future. Daniel is seeing the mountains in the distance, except there were 3 mountain ranges with hundreds of miles between each mountain range. How can you say there is a divide between Greece and Rome, but then deny the chapter is still talking about Greece?

Not even the NT writers could imagine there was 2,000 years left, before a return of Jesus, even though a time, times, and half a time is 3500 years. Amil will deny the last 1,000 years even exist. You just take fulfilled prophecy and appropriate it for your own life time.

You are using the end of the Greek Empire, and "Roman Empire" to concoct a 7 year period, you think is yet to happen.

Chapter 11 is about the events leading up to the time of the end in chapter 11.

It has nothing to do with anything that took place thousands of years ago.
If you actually would have paid attention to the chapter in the last few decades,you would have watched half the chapter fulfilled before your eyes.Insted ,you have ignored the events being fulfilled because you thought the chapter was ancient history.

 

[Wish-it]

Dave you give complete disregard to the "Facts" seen in scripture below, as was stated and will be stated again and again and again

Dave you're not going to change the "Facts" of scripture below, there isn't going to be a Millennium on this earth "After" the 7th angel sounds in the 3rd woe, it's "Final Judgement" (The End), will you continue to deny the "Facts" of scripture below?

1.) Does The Beast Kill The Two Witnesses On This Earth As Seen In Verse 7 Below 100% "Yes"

2.) Do The Two Witnesses Lay Dead In Jerusalem For 3.5 Days As Seen In Verse 9 Below 100% "Yes"

3.) After 3.5 Days Are The Two Witnesses Raised From The Dead To Heaven In Verse 12 Below 100% "Yes"

4.) Does The 2nd Woe Take Place In The Great Earthquake "The Same Hour" The Two Witnesses Are Raised As Seen In Verse 13 Below 100% "Yes"

5.) Does The 3rd Woe Come Quickly In The 7th Angel Sounding As Seen In Verses 14-15 Below 100% "Yes"

6.) Is The "Final Judgement" (The End) Seen In Verse 18 Below 100% "Yes"

Below You see (The Beast) killing the (Two Witnesses) upon this earth Rev 11:7, both were given 3.5 years of power, you see the (Two Witnesses) laying dead in Jerusalem for 3.5 days in the street as the world celebrates, you see the (Two Witnesses) raised to heaven as the 2nd woe in the Great earthquake takes place, the 3rd woe comes quickly in the 7th angel sounding (The End) Revelation 11:18 the final judgment (The End)

Conclusion: (The Beast) and (Two Witnesses) are present upon earth in power for the exact same time of 3.5 years in "Parallel" and this time ends in the 7th angel sounding in the second coming final judgment (The End)

Revelation 11:7-18KJV
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

I totally agree with your six points, but not with with " there isn't going to be a millennium". Can you explain why?

 

[Truth7t7]

I totally agree with your six points, but not with with " there isn't going to be a millennium". Can you explain why?

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

I totally agree with your six points, but not with with " there isn't going to be a millennium". Can you explain why?

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Wish-it]

I'll look thru the scriptures, tomorrow, but there is no mention of Rev 20.1-10.
What do you consider that to mean?
One other question, do you think the expressions "whole earth" and sometimes "earth" is describing the whole world-ie. every country in the world?

 

[Jay Ross]

One other question, do you think the expressions "whole earth" and sometimes "earth" is describing the whole world-ie. every country in the world?

Daniel 7:27