ACTS 2 PENTECOST ***

[farouk]

I'm not sure what is meant by redundancy in the context of Scripture. What counts surely is the integrity of the text, as given by the Spirit.

 

[Jun2u]

Why would there be red flags by accepting six repeats of "one thousand years" as exactly that -- 1,000 years? The number *defines* itself, or if you wish you can factor it as 100 x 10, or any other factor

Because the 1,000 years is NOT a literal number! The term 1,000 years was written as “words” not numerically. Therefore, 2Timothy 3:16 and 1Corinthians 2:14 must be utilized. Is there a spiritual significance meaning to the term 1,000 years? Most definitely. We’ll just have to search the Scripture for the spiritual meaning and when you will have found the spiritual meaning, you will have the joy that all the term 1,000 years fits together in the verses mentioned.

The question you should have asked yourself is "Why did God repeat one thousand years six times within seven verses?" What was He trying to tell us? Is it important or not?

Anytime we find a word, phrase, repeated in Scripture they mean God is driving home a point.

Evidently you have not studied Bible prophecy in depth, else you would not have asked such a question

So now you have become my judge for someone who does not even know there is a spiritual significance in the term 1,000 years?

I say this kindly and with love. We have for the most part in the past have agreed on many doctrines taught in Scripture. To my surprise, am I beginning to see the real Enoch 111? I know we all have “feet of clay” but that should not create a dissension between us.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Enoch111]

Because the 1,000 years is NOT a literal number!

Just imagine! What if your bank sent you a note saying that the $1000 in your account is not literal? I'm sure you would accept that as perfectly true.

The term 1,000 years was written as “words” not numerically.

So what? We do that all the time. If you still write cheques, you will write out One Thousand Dollars only and in the appropriate space write $1,000.00.

When Christians resort to SPECIOUS ARGUMENTS to protect their false doctrines, it is truly pathetic.

 

[Johann]

I think it's attributable to two things predominantly:
1. A specific class of demons that disseminate occultism, false religion, and false doctrine. They have done a wonderful job of creating doctrinal havoc in the modern church.
2. A lack of fear among believers, who don't realize that by assuming the role of "teacher" they take upon themselves a grave responsibility in the Lord, and will be held accountable for what they taught.

Maybe @Hidden In Him can tell us what glossa is.

Definition of "Tongues" (Greek: γλῶσσα, glōssa)
The Greek word γλῶσσα (glōssa) is used to refer to the physical tongue and metaphorically to language or speech. This suggests that the term "tongue" implies human languages, whether known or unknown to the speaker.

Example in Acts 2:4 (Lexham Bible Translation):
"And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues (γλώσσαις, glōssais) as the Spirit gave them utterance."

2. Known Languages in Acts 2:6-11
In Acts 2, the "other tongues" are described as intelligible languages recognized by people from different regions.
In Acts 2:8 (Greek: ἡμεῖς ἀκούμεν, hēmeis akouomen - "we hear"), the crowd says, "How is it that each of us hears them in our own native language?"

Greek: διάλεκτος, dialektos (language/dialect): In verses like Acts 2:6 and 2:8, the word διάλεκτος (dialektos) is used, referring to specific languages. This shows that the miraculous event in Acts 2 was about speaking in recognizable, known human languages.

J.

 

[Davy]

2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.


Those listed in Acts 1:13-14 were of one accord and were assembled together in Jerusalem.

2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

The Jews and proselytes in the city investigated what was going on.

2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

The apostles, filled with the Holy Ghost, began to speak in tongues.

2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Speaking in tongues, as can clearly be seen above in verses 8 and 11, involves the ability given the apostles to speak and be heard in a specific language, not of their own. It was a sign given them to substantiate their ministry.

Peter, standing with the eleven, spoke.

2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Pentecost and the filling of the Holy Host was prophesied by Joel. This was a fulfillment of prophecy in Joel 2.

2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only. Peter preached Jesus as Christ and his resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus Christ would establish the future promise of His Kingdom on earth. This promised Kingdom would put him on the throne of David; enable Israel to reign and rule with him over the nations; and be a light of salvation to the Gentiles, thru the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.


2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Peter, in the above verses, states that Jesus is both Lord and Christ. Jesus rose from the dead, showing his diety, that he is the Son of God.

In verse 38 below, Peter shows that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the Saviour of Israel, who alone can forgive the sins of the nation of Israel.

2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

Peter is only offering the above promises of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost to Israel and those Gentiles who would come to God thru Israel.

2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

The believers were baptized according to the Israel program of recognition of the name; the authority; and the idenity of Jesus. They were added to them, the church of the Kingdom to come, not the Body of Christ.

2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

They sold all they had and provided to all according to the commandment to Israel by Jesus in Matthew 13:46 and 19:21.

2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

They were in one accord as well. The church here is not the Body of Christ. The church here are the believers in Christ who were promised entrance into the Kingdom on earth. The kingdom which is postponed and interrupted by our Dispensation of Grace.

No Jewish slants please.

Peter and the Apostles were there to preach The Gospel of Jesus Christ, not... to unbelievers of Israel, and it most likely included believing Gentiles too because there were strangers living at Jerusalem then also.

Peter quoted from the end of Joel 2, showing the cloven tongue was but an EXAMPLE of the future Joel 2 prophecy for the END of this world...

It's amazing that many who claim... to speak the 'cloven tongue' of Pentecost are unaware of the following which is a future event for the end of this world...

Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV

 

[Doug]

No Jewish slants please.

Peter and the Apostles were there to preach The Gospel of Jesus Christ,

Sorry it took so long to reply to this

Please explain what you meant by no Jewish slants if you remember

In Acts 2 what gospel do you think they were preaching?

 

[complete]

Sorry it took so long to reply to this

Please explain what you meant by no Jewish slants if you remember

In Acts 2 what gospel do you think they were preaching?

Hello @Doug,

There can be no doubt as to what message was preached in Acts 2, because it is recorded for us. It is a call to repentance for the nation of Israel.

'Then Peter said unto them,
Repent, and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ
for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off, (i.e., the Jews of the diaspora)
even as many as the Lord our God shall call. (i.e., the believing remnant - Rom.11:1-10 & 26-36; 9:27)
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying,
Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
(Act 2:38-41)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Behold]

The kingdom which is postponed and interrupted by our Dispensation of Grace.

Every Christian is "born again" INTO>. the Kingdom of God.

This is why they are right now...= "seated in Heavenly places" "In Christ", as "one with God".. .having been "Translated from darkness TO LIGHT"... and have become a "new Creation".. = Born....again........Spiritually.

 

[Doug]

Every Christian is "born again" INTO>. the Kingdom of God.

This is why they are right now...= "seated in Heavenly places" "In Christ", as "one with God".. .having been "Translated from darkness TO LIGHT"... and have become a "new Creation".. = Born....again........Spiritually.

Yes in this dispensation a believer is translated into his kingdom which is in heavenly places
But during the earthly ministry of Christ Israel was being offered the Davidic kingdom on earth to reign as kings and priests with Christ
The kingdom of God is comprised of the earth and the heavens

 

[Doug]

Every Christian is "born again"

[Exo 4:22 KJV] 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel [is] my son, [even] my firstborn:

[Jhn 3:7 KJV] 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Born again is popular but it just isnt supported Biblicaly........it is only applied to Israel....it can be used if wanted but Paul never uses it

 

[Doug]

Hello @Doug,

There can be no doubt as to what message was preached in Acts 2, because it is recorded for us. It is a call to repentance for the nation of Israel.

'Then Peter said unto them,
Repent, and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ
for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off, (i.e., the Jews of the diaspora)
even as many as the Lord our God shall call. (i.e., the believing remnant - Rom.11:1-10 & 26-36; 9:27)
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying,
Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
(Act 2:38-41)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Yes exactly
Peter was convicting them to bring them to repentance
Christ was raised for our justification according to Paul whereas Peter preached Christ rose to sit on the throne of David and to assure Israel he would still bring in the Davidic kingdom on earth

 

[Behold]

Born again is popular but it just isnt supported Biblicaly........it is only applied to Israel.

If you are not born again when you die, that means your sins are not forgiven, and you are not a Christian when you died.

Figure that out before Hebrews 9:27 finds you.

 

[Doug]

If you are not born again when you die, that means your sins are not forgiven, and you are not a Christian when you died.

Figure that out before Hebrews 9:27 finds you.

I was not saying we didnt have to believe the gospel and be forgiven and justified unto eternal life
I was only saying "born again" was not found in Paul's epistles
it was only applied to Israel
Just a matter of being technically Biblically accurate

 

[Behold]

I was only saying "born again" was not found in Paul's epistles

You mean that the phrase "born again" is not found.,

However the definition is explained by Paul, quite a few times.

Here are a few for you.

"""We have been baptized into His death, burial, and resurrection, that we might also walk in newness of life.""

= See that "baptized"? That means REGENERATION.........its "the birth of the person's spirit" by the Holy Spirit"

Explained by Paul, here....

"""God saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of .....Regeneration... and renewal of the Holy Spirit,""""

And Paul explains this again in Colossians 2

11 """" In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,""""​

​

Notice "circumcision made WITHOUT Hands'..​

= That is the HOLY SPIRIT doing that...regarding the spirit in the BELIEVER.​

 

[Doug]

You mean that the phrase "born again" is not found.,

However the definition is explained by Paul, quite a few times.

But the phrase born again is not found in Paul's epistles
We are looking for the exact phrase

 

[Behold]

But the phrase born again is not found in Paul's epistles
We are looking for the exact phrase

The bible is not a dictionary, its a REVELATION.

So, there are Truth's in it, that are revealed not by definition, but by "comparing scripture with scripture".

Therefore you have Jesus who said....>"you must be born again"... Yet, when He said this in Jn3,

= there was no Holy Spirit given yet to the World,..,.

= there was no JN3, as there was no NT yet created to be published.....

= and there was no Cross of Christ that could redeem humanity from Sin, that has to happen before we can be "born again".

So, Paul's Gospel reveals how to be born again, that is based on The Cross of Christ that is the New Covenant, that only began because the Cross of Christ Birthed the NT and the NT Church and NT Doctrine.......... that was given by PAUL.

Also, Here are 2 REVELATiONS.... that are not found written as "the exact phrase" in the NT.

1.) The Rapture

2.) The Trinity

 

[Doug]

The bible is not a dictionary, its a REVELATION.

So, there are Truth's in it, that are revealed not by definition, but by "comparing scripture with scripture".

Therefore you have Jesus who said....>"you must be born again"... Yet, when He said this in Jn3,

= there was no Holy Spirit given yet to the World,..,.

= there was no JN3, as there was no NT yet created to be published.....

= and there was no Cross of Christ that could redeem humanity from Sin, that has to happen before we can be "born again".

So, Paul's Gospel reveals how to be born again, that is based on The Cross of Christ that is the New Covenant, that only began because the Cross of Christ Birthed the NT and the NT Church and NT Doctrine.......... that was given by PAUL.

Also, Here are 2 REVELATiONS.... that are not found written as "the exact phrase" in the NT.

1.) The Rapture

2.)

Sorry I cant reply because I dont understand your point

 

[complete]

2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.


Those listed in Acts 1:13-14 were of one accord and were assembled together in Jerusalem.

2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

The Jews and proselytes in the city investigated what was going on.

2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

The apostles, filled with the Holy Ghost, began to speak in tongues.

2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Speaking in tongues, as can clearly be seen above in verses 8 and 11, involves the ability given the apostles to speak and be heard in a specific language, not of their own. It was a sign given them to substantiate their ministry.

Peter, standing with the eleven, spoke.

2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Pentecost and the filling of the Holy Host was prophesied by Joel. This was a fulfilment of prophecy in Joel 2.

2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only. Peter preached Jesus as Christ and his resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus Christ would establish the future promise of His Kingdom on earth. This promised Kingdom would put him on the throne of David; enable Israel to reign and rule with him over the nations; and be a light of salvation to the Gentiles, thru the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.


2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Peter, in the above verses, states that Jesus is both Lord and Christ. Jesus rose from the dead, showing his diety, that he is the Son of God.

In verse 38 below, Peter shows that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the Saviour of Israel, who alone can forgive the sins of the nation of Israel.

2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

Peter is only offering the above promises of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost to Israel and those Gentiles who would come to God thru Israel.

2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

The believers were baptized according to the Israel program of recognition of the name; the authority; and the idenity of Jesus. They were added to them, the church of the Kingdom to come, not the Body of Christ.

2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

They sold all they had and provided to all according to the commandment to Israel by Jesus in Matthew 13:46 and 19:21.

2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

They were in one accord as well. The church here is not the Body of Christ. The church here are the believers in Christ who were promised entrance into the Kingdom on earth. The kingdom which is postponed and interrupted by our Dispensation of Grace.

@Doug said:-
'In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only. Peter preached Jesus as Christ and his resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus Christ would establish the future promise of His Kingdom on earth. This promised Kingdom would put him on the throne of David; enable Israel to reign and rule with him over the nations; and be a light of salvation to the Gentiles, thru the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.'

Hello @Doug,

Reading your OP again, I came to the words singled out and quoted above, and must question what you called the company being saved at Pentecost. You say that they were the Church which is the Body of Christ, but this is not so. For that church was not established as a newly created company until after Acts 28, and the final rejection by the nation of Israel through the elders of the Jews of the diaspora, of their Messiah and King, the Lord Jesus Christ. Israel as a nation having departed into the darkness of unbelief, soon to be scattered among the nations, their temple destroyed.

The revelation of God, given to Paul, by the risen Christ, concerning 'The Church which is the Body of Christ' (Eph.1:22-23), was made known by Paul in his epistles, written to the Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon, written as 'The Lord's Prisoner' at Rome. Written to heal and establish a company very different from what had existed before. With unique blessings, and a unique inheritance, a joint-body, united and equal, made up of believing Jews and Gentiles, a spiritual company who were one in Christ Jesus, and complete in Him.​

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Doug]

Reading your OP again, I came to the words singled out and quoted above, and must question what you called the company being saved at Pentecost. You say that they were the Church which is the Body of Christ, but this is not so.

Think you read it wrong here is what I wrote
In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only.
Peter was addressing Israel

 

[Doug]

the Body of Christ, but this is not so. For that church was not established as a newly created company until after Acts 28,

The Body was formed when Paul was saved before Acts 28
Paul wrote about the Body in epistles written before Acts 28
All but 1Tim 2Tim and Titus and Philippians were written before Acts 28