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  1. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    It is the false and absurd notion that there will NOT be a real, literal, physical, visible, tangible Kingdom of God on earth under Christ, after His second coming "...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

    The notion that we are presently in the Millennium (if you can believe it) and Satan is bound, yet sin and evil flourish on this earth, and demons, witches, and wizards abound.

    But as you noted, "a (the) thousand years" (Greek chila ete) is repeated six times in seven verses (Rev 20).

    1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,[1]
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years [2] should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. [3]
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years [4] were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. [5]
    7 And when the thousand years [6] are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
     
  2. Jay Ross

    Jay Ross Active Member

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    fwiw you could be on to something there, but I do not think that you will find a match for that numerical value in the scriptures.

    IOW the numerical number 1,000 indicates a long period of time which is beyond our ability to comprehend as it is around 10-15 lifetimes for man depending on how long each individual is capable of living. Even when a long period of time is coming to an end, and the signs indicate that the 4,000 plus years will end within 100 years of indicated sign, there is no joy to be found as people squabble about what the end of the time period means and the year in which it will happen and whether or not God will redeem His possession to receive what has been promised by and from Him.

    Shalom
     
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    bbyrd009 Groper

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    ah, ok
    my bad i guess
    word
     
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    ooh, wadr that is not a good total at all, i suggest that six out of seven is def saying something, loud and clear
     
  5. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    The only thing is that when God had that written in Rev. 20, there were no such things as chapters and verses.
     
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    if this was @ me, my reply is that the 6 out of 7 will nonetheless still be there,
    but i gotta confess i have not Lexed it out or anything
     
  7. Willie T

    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    It is not "6 out of 7" anything. It is simply the same single subject being discussed in that section of the letter.

    If I said, for instance: "The United States is a country of laws, and if you live in the United States, you should follow the laws of the United States as outlined in the Constitution of the United States.", that does not mean I spoke of the United States four different times.
     
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    I agree. Jesus told Nicodemus, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Yes, our old creature has become new so to speak.

    But being born again has nothing to do with Revelation 20.

    To God Be The Glory
     
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    First, define the meaning of the term "one thousand years." If you read the term "one thousand years" literally you will face all kinds of red flags with Revelation Chapter 20.

    Where do you read that Christ will reign on this sinful earth for a thousand years? This is never taught anywhere in Scripture unless you are speaking of a new earth and a new heaven that God will create immediately after the rapture (catching up). Even then, Christ will reign forever and NOT for a mere 1,000
    years.

    To God Be The Glory
     
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  10. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Why would there be red flags by accepting six repeats of "one thousand years" as exactly that -- 1,000 years? The number *defines* itself, or if you wish you can factor it as 100 x 10, or any other factor.

    The question you should have asked yourself is "Why did God repeat one thousand years six times within seven verses?" What was He trying to tell us? Is it important or not?

    When you repeat something more than once, does that not mean that you consider it important?

    AND WHERE IN THE WORLD DID YOU READ THIS? Did I ever make such a statement or even hint at it?

    Before Christ reigns on earth He will seriously *clean house*. And we do not even have all the details about how He will clean up this mess, and ensure that everything on earth is truly perfect. We do know that all evildoers and all unbelievers will be destroyed at His coming.

    Evidently you have not studied Bible prophecy in depth, else you would not have asked such a question. So now would be a good time to discover the meaning of the Kingdom of God on earth when Christ begins His real, literal, visible, and physical reign on earth. There are plenty of Scriptures in the Old Testament, and some in the New.
     
  11. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    The subject is the same but the term χίλια ἔτη, chilia ete (one thousand) is repeated SIX TIMES (as I already showed above). Rarely will you find this in Scripture, where a term is repeated six times within seven verses.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    It does not matter, and that is no excuse for avoiding the significance of something.
     
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    ok
     
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    logically yes, dialectically no
     
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    "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
    A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
    An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
    A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." Prov 6:16-19
     
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    Could it be this is where @bbyrd009 got the idea of 969 being involved?

    "And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died." Gen 5:27

    The oldest man listed in the Bible came short of the one thousand years. But, none of those including Methuselah is seen at that time to have the option:

    "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" John 11:26

    Everyone before Jesus brought Life was dead. The 1,000 years may speak of the promise of unending Life reigning with Christ because we have become like him:

    "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2

    "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." Rev 20:6

    No one of 969 years or less has had the Life which Jesus is until he has taken hold of the Life that Jesus brought. This was the unredeemed flesh of men, the bit of earth of which each man is composed, the old man with his ways, not the new man with God's Way:

    "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10
     
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    but it does mean that you did not avail yourself of the common syntax that would have made the statement much less cumbersome, and if you actually said that in that way you might even expect anyone listening to pause in wonder and go "wait a minute here, why is he being so pointlessly redundant? he is trying to tell us something in code or something" or something along those lines perhaps right
     
  18. Willie T

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    Isn't the Bible consistently what we would call "pointlessly" redundant? I can think of about 20 or thirty places, right off the top of my head.
     
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    Or perhaps the repetitiveness you call redundant is done on purpose to emphasize the meaning of key words and phrases and thus avoid easy mistranslation and misunderstanding of God's message to man. I have a book I bought several years ago, by Gail Riplinger, "The Language of the King James Bible" in which she points out many such redundancies throughout scripture. It is one of her arguments in favor of the KJV over several other available English Bibles.
     
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    It's got nothing to do with anything than or else.
     
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