When the Son of Man Comes:

[Douggg]

No, the trib will last 42 months as per Rev 13. You are taking something from Daniel that is no longer valid and forcing it into NT prophecy. This is called Eisegesis.

Jesus Himself cited what the prophet Daniel wrote about the abomination of desolation.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

Daniel wrote about the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12. That's where the 1335 day length of the great tribulation is based upon.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

[Douggg]

Abbreviations are important so people DO NOT spell things out because that takes too much time. You need to learn the Abbreviations common in end times discussions. Olivet Discourse.

OD for Olivet Discourse is not a common abbreviation in end times discussions. Something like the AoD (abomination of desolation) is.

It takes to much time to type "Olivet Discourse" ?

 

[Douggg]

Satan is cast to Earth LONG before the trib. The third woe is when satan will be imprisoned in the pit, not when satan begins his wrath. Your are conflating events of Rev 12 which are BEFORE the 6th trump, and forcing the 6th trump into a timeframe before the 6th has sounded.

The great tribulation begins on day 1185 of the 7 years. The great tribulation will have already begun, before Satan is cast down to earth having a time, times, half time left - before being cast into the bottomless pit in Revelation 20:1-2.

Do you know what the 6th trumpet second woe is about ? Look at my chart below. It will take place during the time, times, half time that Satan will have left once cast down to earth.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus Himself cited what the prophet Daniel wrote about the abomination of desolation.

The AoD is still coming but the lengths of time are not the same anymore. Rev has the current timeframe, 42 months no extra days.

 

[ewq1938]

OD for Olivet Discourse is not a common abbreviation in end times discussions. Something like the AoD (abomination of desolation) is.

OD is also.

It takes to much time to type "Olivet Discourse" ?

About as long as abomination of desolation.

 

[ewq1938]

The great tribulation begins on day 1185 of the 7 years.

Nope. It starts day 1 of the 42 months and ends when the last day is fulfilled. There is no 7 years anymore since Christ declared it would be shortened.

 

[Verily]

But Christ spoke differently:


Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

1. My kingdom is not of this world-- it's of somewhere else. He will say more:
2. if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight-- who would they fight?
3. if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews-- his servants would fight against the Jews! Even if his kingdom was Earthly, his servants would fight against the Jews capturing Jesus.
4. but now is my kingdom not from hence-- proving it will be an Earthly kingdom in the future but for then, it was not and he had no servants of a kingdom to fight against the Jews capturing him.

Jews here are those who rejected and opposed Jesus not the smaller amount of Jews that followed him of course.

The LORD is called the King of Israel though isnt He?

For example here

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

So for Nathanel to adress him as the King of Israel would be a title that belonged to him

 

[ewq1938]

The LORD is called the King of Israel though isnt He?

For example here

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

So for Nathanel to adress him as the King of Israel would be a title that belonged to him

I quoted Jesus himself denying his kingdom is from here which means he was not the King of Israel at that time. One day he will be, but not until he returns.

 

[Douggg]

Nope. It starts day 1 of the 42 months and ends when the last day is fulfilled. There is no 7 years anymore since Christ declared it would be shortened.

The 7 years 70th week of Daniel 9:27 is the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 that follows God's destruction of Gog's armies in Ezekiel 39.

 

[Douggg]

I quoted Jesus himself denying his kingdom is from here which means he was not the King of Israel at that time. One day he will be, but not until he returns.

Jesus was rejected by the Jews at that time as their king of Israel.

You quoted Jesus as he was being interrogated by Pilate to see if there was any grounds to the accusation by the religious leaders that Jesus was planning an insurrection against the Roman control over Jerusalem.

John18:
29 Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man?
30 They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee.

Jesus answered Pilate that he was not planning an insurrection.

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Jesus was not saying that He was not the messiah, whom God had sent to be the King of Israel, in those verses. Jesus told Pilate, that his kingdom was not of this world - i.e. meaning that Jesus's kingdom was the kingdom of Heaven.

Pilate then in verse 39, told the Jews that he found no fault in Jesus regarding the accusations that Jesus was planning a insurrection of the Roman rule.

Pilate in the same verse referred to Jesus as the King of the Jews.

Pilate aknowledged that Jesus was the King of the Jews - do you ?

 

[Verily]

I quoted Jesus himself denying his kingdom is from here which means he was not the King of Israel at that time. One day he will be, but not until he returns.

Okay, so hear me out, when the LORD calls himself the King of Israel (back then) He is more or less just speaking of being the King of Israel as far as the land/dirt of the country Israel (back then) but not nessesarily the LORD, the King of a specific "people" called Isreal which Gentiles rejoice together with.

Like isnt there more than one way to view that?

 

[Verily]

Let me ask, when the LORD said

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Were they in exile and not even in their land here? Can anyone confirm or deny this?

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus was rejected by the Jews at that time as their king of Israel.

Jesus denied being an Earthly king. You always avoid that fact.

 

[ewq1938]

Okay, so hear me out, when the LORD calls himself the King of Israel (back then) He is more or less just speaking of being the King of Israel as far as the land/dirt of the country Israel (back then) but not nessesarily the LORD, the King of a specific "people" called Isreal which Gentiles rejoice together with.

Like isnt there more than one way to view that?

The issue is regarding the first coming of Jesus, whether he was the king of Israel at that time or not. He denied it so I see no way around what he himself said.

 

[Verily]

The issue is regarding the first coming of Jesus, whether he was the king of Israel at that time or not. He denied it so I see no way around what he himself said.

Ewq1938, All I am just saying is that the LORD himself in Isaiah 44:6 said that He is the King of Israel (that is what the LORD calls Himself). Jacob's name is Israel and they were in exile there, so I am not sure how (as far a land /kingdoms on earth) go or even plays into this make that so.

So when you say

I quoted Jesus himself denying his kingdom is from here which means he was not the King of Israel at that time

His Kingdom may not be of this world (as we know it is not) but even in Isaiah 44 where the title might be used (even by Him) as is what? "supposedly related" to the earthly kingdom (for example) they were in exile but the LORD still called himself the King of Israel.

Is always saying, "King of Israel" meaning over some geographic dirt, or King of Israel over Jacob/ a people (who are called Israel). Thats all.

I do understand that his Kingdom is not of this world. And just as he said that He himself is not of this world (neither was He of this world back in Isaiah 44:6 either). And He also said, that they also (the remnant) are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. But He would still be their Master/teacher/ King of Israel (a people) with whom the Gentiles rejoice with.

That was my last response on it

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[ewq1938]

Ewq1938, All I am just saying is that the LORD himself in Isaiah 44:6 said that He is the King of Israel (that is what the LORD calls Himself). Jacob's name is Israel and they were in exile there, so I am not sure how (as far a land /kingdoms on earth) go or even plays into this make that so.

So when you say

I quoted Jesus himself denying his kingdom is from here which means he was not the King of Israel at that time

His Kingdom may not be of this world (as we know it is not) but even in Isaiah 44 where the title might be used (even by Him) as is what? "supposedly related" to the earthly kingdom (for example) they were in exile but the LORD still called himself the King of Israel.

Is always saying, "King of Israel" meaning over some geographic dirt, or King of Israel over Jacob/ a people (who are called Israel). Thats all.

I do understand that his Kingdom is not of this world. And just as he said that He himself is not of this world (neither was He of this world back in Isaiah 44:6 either). And He also said, that they also (the remnant) are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. But He would still be their Master/teacher/ King of Israel (a people) with whom the Gentiles rejoice with.

That was my last response on it

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Things were different in the promised land at the time of Christ's birth. He was not a king of anything on this Earth during his Earthly life. Rome ruled Israel then so Ceasar was the king of Israel, not Jesus. But, Jesus will be the King of Kings when he returns meaning he will be king of the world, including kind of Israel.

 

[Nancy]

The unexpected 'coming of the Lord', is not the glorious Return, but the terrible Day when He sends His fiery wrath. Psalms 11:4-6 and many other Prophesies about that Day - the next Prophesied event.

Is He not still showing His Glory during His righteous wrath and revenge? Is He any less Glorious?

No shadow of turning (James 1:17)

"For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed." (Malachi 3:6)

Psalm 55:19
"God will hear and answer them—
Even the one who sits enthroned from of old— Selah.
With whom there is no change,
And who do not fear God."

Just adding my personal viewpoint :)

 

[Douggg]

Things were different in the promised land at the time of Christ's birth. He was not a king of anything on this Earth during his Earthly life. Rome ruled Israel then so Ceasar was the king of Israel, not Jesus. But, Jesus will be the King of Kings when he returns meaning he will be king of the world, including kind of Israel.

When the soldiers placed a crown of thorns on Jesus's head at the time when He was crucified - what was written on the plaque that Pilate had placed above His head ?

 

[Douggg]

Jesus denied being an Earthly king. You always avoid that fact.

Jesus never denied that God selected Him as the king of Israel.

Jesus Himself said...

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The point is that the Jews will embrace the Antichrist as their king of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus never denied that God selected Him as the king of Israel.

So? Christ denied being the king of Israel. He was not the king of Israel during the first coming!