Charismatic Bible Studies - 2 Peter 1:5-11

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Romans 11
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

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False characterization. I'm sharing Scripture. Your replies are all these personal accusations and character assasination. And it gets boring, because it's off topic.

Like this. What nonsense! Yet you post it! And there are many things like that.

I've posted clear Scriptures, I've pointed to what they say. Your reply is to share all your negative comments about me. So should I take that to mean you are not able to refute the Scriptures, but you still want to argue, so you go with what you've got, and this is it?

Or are you able to have a more productive sort of discussion? Because if you just continue to post your negative comments about others, well, that just doesn't cut the mustard. There is no fruitfulness.

Much love!

Uh, no, the basis for osas is that sin is not in the picture.
That is the message of osas.
I can be disobedient
Or moderately disobedient
Or grossly disobedient.
In osas it is not a factor at all.
So all the carnal disobedient believers breath a sigh of relief knowing disobedience is winked at by God.

 

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Heb 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

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1 cor10
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Note to avoid ignorance, Paul uses the disobedience of the past to warn the disobedient church to avoid it or Fall.


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1 cor 9
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.


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1 Tim 1
18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:


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1 Tim 1
18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:


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You may benefit from studying these more closely. Like this one. Shipwrecked faith does not = unreborn. None of them make the outright statement that you ascribe to them. Meanwhile, the ones that show permanent rebirth do make plain outright statements.

Study to show yourselve approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Much love!

 

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Rev 2
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent

Huh? The nerve of Jesus!
I that He winked at sin.
Sanctions????For what????
Lack of intimacy.

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Rev 3
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

I can take God's word seriously, or play the osas roulette wheel.

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Rev 2
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent

Huh? The nerve of Jesus!
I that He winked at sin.
Sanctions????For what????
Lack of intimacy.

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What is the candlestick? A person's rebirth? Is that what this is referring to? If we look at the context, we find something different.

Revelation 1:17-20 KJV
17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19) Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The stars are the messengers, and the candlesticks are the churches, the local congregations. So this isn't a passage about losing rebirth, it's about a messenger to the church losing his church.

So yes, oops!!

This is what I'm saying, you need to revisit these passages and look more closely. They don't say what you claim.

Much love!

 

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What is the candlestick? A person's rebirth? Is that what this is referring to? If we look at the context, we find something different.

Revelation 1:17-20 KJV
17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19) Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The stars are the messengers, and the candlesticks are the churches, the local congregations. So this isn't a passage about losing rebirth, it's about a messenger to the church losing his church.

So yes, oops!!

This is what I'm saying, you need to revisit these passages and look more closely. They don't say what you claim.

Much love!

Lol
Nice try

Uh, no.
You twisted it it big time
SMH

What a hoot.

 

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What is the candlestick? A person's rebirth? Is that what this is referring to? If we look at the context, we find something different.

Revelation 1:17-20 KJV
17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19) Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The stars are the messengers, and the candlesticks are the churches, the local congregations. So this isn't a passage about losing rebirth, it's about a messenger to the church losing his church.

So yes, oops!!

This is what I'm saying, you need to revisit these passages and look more closely. They don't say what you claim.

Much love!

Huh?
The saved congregation is removed?
Saved but removed?

So you are saying they lost salvation.

 

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Huh?
The saved congregation is removed?
Saved but removed?

So you are saying they lost salvation.

No, I'm saying that the messenger to the church is warned that he could see his ministry gone, that his congregation would be removed from him. Not that anyone is becoming "unreborn". Unrebirth does not exist in Scripture.

Much love!