Charismatic Bible Studies - 2 Peter 1:5-11

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Romans 11
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

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False characterization. I'm sharing Scripture. Your replies are all these personal accusations and character assasination. And it gets boring, because it's off topic.

Like this. What nonsense! Yet you post it! And there are many things like that.

I've posted clear Scriptures, I've pointed to what they say. Your reply is to share all your negative comments about me. So should I take that to mean you are not able to refute the Scriptures, but you still want to argue, so you go with what you've got, and this is it?

Or are you able to have a more productive sort of discussion? Because if you just continue to post your negative comments about others, well, that just doesn't cut the mustard. There is no fruitfulness.

Much love!
Uh, no, the basis for osas is that sin is not in the picture.
That is the message of osas.
I can be disobedient
Or moderately disobedient
Or grossly disobedient.
In osas it is not a factor at all.
So all the carnal disobedient believers breath a sigh of relief knowing disobedience is winked at by God.
 

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Heb 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

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1 cor10
1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Note to avoid ignorance, Paul uses the disobedience of the past to warn the disobedient church to avoid it or Fall.


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1 cor 9
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.


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1 Tim 1
18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:


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1 Tim 1
18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:


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You may benefit from studying these more closely. Like this one. Shipwrecked faith does not = unreborn. None of them make the outright statement that you ascribe to them. Meanwhile, the ones that show permanent rebirth do make plain outright statements.

Study to show yourselve approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Much love!
 

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Rev 2
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent

Huh? The nerve of Jesus!
I that He winked at sin.
Sanctions????For what????
Lack of intimacy.

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Rev 3
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

I can take God's word seriously, or play the osas roulette wheel.

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Rev 2
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent

Huh? The nerve of Jesus!
I that He winked at sin.
Sanctions????For what????
Lack of intimacy.

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What is the candlestick? A person's rebirth? Is that what this is referring to? If we look at the context, we find something different.

Revelation 1:17-20 KJV
17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19) Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The stars are the messengers, and the candlesticks are the churches, the local congregations. So this isn't a passage about losing rebirth, it's about a messenger to the church losing his church.

So yes, oops!!

This is what I'm saying, you need to revisit these passages and look more closely. They don't say what you claim.

Much love!
 

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What is the candlestick? A person's rebirth? Is that what this is referring to? If we look at the context, we find something different.

Revelation 1:17-20 KJV
17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19) Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The stars are the messengers, and the candlesticks are the churches, the local congregations. So this isn't a passage about losing rebirth, it's about a messenger to the church losing his church.

So yes, oops!!

This is what I'm saying, you need to revisit these passages and look more closely. They don't say what you claim.

Much love!
Lol
Nice try

Uh, no.
You twisted it it big time
SMH

What a hoot.
 

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What is the candlestick? A person's rebirth? Is that what this is referring to? If we look at the context, we find something different.

Revelation 1:17-20 KJV
17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19) Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

The stars are the messengers, and the candlesticks are the churches, the local congregations. So this isn't a passage about losing rebirth, it's about a messenger to the church losing his church.

So yes, oops!!

This is what I'm saying, you need to revisit these passages and look more closely. They don't say what you claim.

Much love!
Huh?
The saved congregation is removed?
Saved but removed?

So you are saying they lost salvation.
 

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Huh?
The saved congregation is removed?
Saved but removed?

So you are saying they lost salvation.
No, I'm saying that the messenger to the church is warned that he could see his ministry gone, that his congregation would be removed from him. Not that anyone is becoming "unreborn". Unrebirth does not exist in Scripture.

Much love!
 

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No, I'm saying that the messenger to the church is warned that he could see his ministry gone, that his congregation would be removed from him. Not that anyone is becoming "unreborn". Unrebirth does not exist in Scripture.

Much love!
No, I'm saying that the messenger to the church is warned that he could see his ministry gone, that his congregation would be removed from him. Not that anyone is becoming "unreborn". Unrebirth does not exist in Scripture.

Much love!
Nope.
Not even close.
The letters are to the churches.
You really need to honestly look at it.
Tyring to wiggle out of what scripture says is guaranteing error.

Thelamp and oil in the Lamp is the Holy Spirit.
Lamps stand is oil filled.

Remember the consequences for changing revelation.
You need to look at it with much respect and honesty.

It is awesome to not have a dog in that fight you are in.
Doctrine will make a fool out of anyone who omits the full counsel of God.
You have to do your due diligence, and put in the effort to examine both sides of the issue.
 

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Heb 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Always study both sides of the issue.
What you have been told is tainted.
 

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No, I'm saying that the messenger to the church is warned that he could see his ministry gone, that his congregation would be removed from him. Not that anyone is becoming "unreborn". Unrebirth does not exist in Scripture.

Much love!
No, I'm saying that the messenger to the church is warned that he could see his ministry gone, that his congregation would be removed from him. Not that anyone is becoming "unreborn". Unrebirth does not exist in Scripture.

Much love!
Nope.
Not even close.
The letters are to the churches.
You really need to honestly look at it.
Tyring to wiggle out of what scripture says is guaranteing error.

The lamp and oil in the Lamp is the Holy Spirit.
Lamps stand is oil filled.

Remember the consequences for changing revelation.
You need to look at it with much respect and honesty.

It is awesome to not have a dog in that fight you are in.
Doctrine will make a fool out of anyone who omits the full counsel of God.
You have to do your due diligence, and put in the effort to examine both sides of the issue.
 

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Luke 15
11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:

12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.

15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:

23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:

24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.

26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.

27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.

28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him
29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:

30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.

31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.


The story of a son ( born again, family, and with the father)
DECIDES TO DEPART.
Result as Paul put it, is shipwrecked.
FATHER does not go after him, or contact him.
Father says his son is dead.
Son that departed FROM THE FATHER, returns.
REPENTS, AND IS RESTORED BACK TO his Father.

In direct blatant conflict with osas.
 

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Jesus said " if you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father"

In osas you could recant your testimony and deny Jesus, because no sin can separate you from God.

IOW, All martyrs for 2000 years died for nothing, not knowing that their salvation was secure anyway. THEY COULD HAVE DENIED JESUS WITH A CLEAR CONSCIOUS.

That is the diabolical fruit of osas.
 

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1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Clear and plainly stated Scripture. If you think anything in the Bible contradicts this, I counsel to re-examine the Scriptures.

Much love!
 

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That is the diabolical fruit of osas.
This is simply not true. Knowing we are forever reborn leads us to live pure lives. This is exactly opposite to your assertion. Which is real? The Bible.

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Clear and plainly stated Scripture. If you think anything in the Bible contradicts this, I counsel to re-examine the Scriptures.

Much love!