The challenge in Christianity is not to love Jesus, it's to love Judas.

[amigo de christo]

They have to eat., so, instead of worrying about how they will deal with the money........just realize that they have to eat.
Let this be your point of view.

See, we can't control what other people do, but we can give to the poor, as we are instructed to do.

Let me show the Reader a verse, if you are all tied up in your head, worrying that the money that you give to someone who is poor, is not going to be used as you would have it.

Notice this verse.

Luke 6:35 ....... "God is kind to the ungrateful and the evil".

See that?

That is how we are to consider our help.
We dont qualify them as being worthy for our help.
What we do is see the need and give.

I used to give money to them .
Till more than once , yes more than once i even seen them buying , beer.
Look i aint saying one cannot give
but friend why are we so lazy that we cannot just give them FOOD .
Of course we are not responsible to what one does with that money .
But friend you have to realize not ALL , but many of them are TRAPPED IN BONDAGE
to drugs . And i wont be an enabler to do that my friend .
NOW i aint saying NOT to give ,
But there is a better way to do things my friend .
I had some even come into the store i used to work at
and cause they knew i was chrsitain
THEY would try and quoate what little verses they knew
ABOUT GIVING UNTO THE LEAST of these , through even drunk lips as they wanted money .
Look i aint saying not to give , BUT we need some serious discernment in the building .

 

[Behold]

I used to give money to them .
Till more than once , yes more than once i even seen them buying , beer.

So, because you see some of them not using the money as you want, you just stopped giving to any of them?
How is that right?

Listen, dont focus on THEM.........as God is looking at YOU.... at your heart, and at my heart.
He knows all about them...........and when He tells us to give, that is what He means.
Its HIS money, and we get to use it, and He told us to give to the Poor.
Jesus said...."the poor will always be with you".

God never told us to "only give to the rightesous poor".. "only give to the poor who will be responsible".

C'mon.
The reason they are poor and living out of a dumpter is because they have messed up their lives.
So, they are not responsible, and that is why they are on the street.

So, lets help them.......according to the instruction to give to the POOR.
Are they poor?
That that is all we need to know.

 

[amigo de christo]

They have to eat., so, instead of worrying about how they will deal with the money........just realize that they have to eat.
Let this be your point of view.

See, we can't control what other people do, but we can give to the poor, as we are instructed to do.

Let me show the Reader a verse, if you are all tied up in your head, worrying that the money that you give to someone who is poor, is not going to be used as you would have it.

Notice this verse.

Luke 6:35 ....... "God is kind to the ungrateful and the evil".

See that?

That is how we are to consider our help... .just like that.
We dont qualify them as being worthy for our help., as being POOR has already qualified them for our help.
What we do is see the need and give and their most obvious and daily need is to have a meal.

They do have to eat . Give them food to eat .
The next time one comes up to ask you for money for food .
Tell them okay here let me take you to the store .
IF all of a sudden you start hearing , no , no i can do this or etc
I would not GIVE THEM anything . other than
i would continue to say here let me take you to a store and lets buy some food for you .
But then that becomes TIME for us to be having to do something .
There is a time to give
but what if one wont work . should we give them bread or .....................
Again i aint saying DO NOT give . IF you want to keep giving money then do so .
But i was just trying to help you so as you might not enable them . DUE TO
well that sure aint good for them . Always pray before giving too . But yes i do always encourage
taking care of the poor . So this was not an attack at all . Just a reminder .

 

[amigo de christo]

So, because you see some of them not using the money as you want, you just stopped giving to any of them?
How is that right?

Listen, dont focus on THEM.........as God is looking at YOU.... at your heart, and at my heart.
He knows all about them...........and when He tells us to give, that is what He means.

God never told us to "only give to the rightesous poor".. "only give to the poor who will be responsible".

C'mon.
The reason they are poor and living out of a dumpter is because they have messed up their lives.
So, they are not responsible, and that is why they are on the street.

So, lets help them.......according to the instruction to give to the POOR.
Are they poor?
That that is all we need to know.

Again you just took the WHOLE thing out total context . SLOW DOWN thine MIND my friend .
I never said it was due to just that .
NOr did i say i dont give to them .
I just wanted you to see some examples i seen .
SLow down . Wow my friend you leaped to massive conclusoins quite fast .
That i must admit must have been the first time i seen you do it . BUT man it was fast and it was DEFINTELY an assumption .
Slow down .
I mean had ya read it i said I AINT telling you NOT to give , just be aware .

 

[Behold]

They do have to eat . Give them food to eat .

You want to tell the fourm to only give them food?


What i know is that the poor are suffering and i know how to relieve it., and i do.
Its not a cure, but its a blessing to them.

God said """Give"""".....and He never told us to "pray about it first".

So, if You see a dirty street person.....thin, suffering, do you need to "pray about helping them"?

Did God have to pray about it first, when He told us to "give to the poor"?

 

[St. SteVen]

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[Sister-n-Christ]

I give them money.
Its what ive been explaining that they need, most of all.
Try reading more carefully what im showing youi.





You decided to explain your opinion regarding a person the street, not to be given money.
You even described that they "steal from one another".
So, your perspective is flawed.

Now you're resorting to adding condescension to your aggressive manner.

As my posts show,I and all who read you are aware you give them money.
What you refuse to accept and respect is that I support them with tangible goods that keep their belly filled and their head shaded in summer and warm and dry in winter.

You demonstrate yourself to be incapable of civil discourse.
I have no further desire to give you an outlet upon which you may deposit your Animus.

 

[Behold]

Now you're resorting to adding condescension to your aggressive manner.

I posted what you told us. @Sister-n-Christ ..

No need to try to dodge it by creating some untruth, post after post.

See...What you originally posted is crystal clear.
You confirmed that giving money to the poor, is not what you believe is necessary.

What you refuse to accept and respect is that I support them with tangible goods that keep their belly filled and their head shaded in summer and warm and dry in winter.

I read that your relatives support them, partially, with money given to them as donations., according to what you posted.
So, that is money for the poor, and im offering them money into their hand.
You dont seem to be able to comprehend that its the same thing.

Its MONEY given ..........first and foremost, and in your original post to me, you encouraged the members here not to do that for the poor.

So, you can dodge, and imply, and redirect and falsely accuse..... and continue to try to deflect, and ill continue to simply state what you originally posted.

See you there.

 

[St. SteVen]

"Say what?"
"Love Judas? We hate Judas!"
"He betrayed our Lord! Why would we love Judas?"

Perhaps Jesus understood this better than we do.
As indicated in this scripture.

John 13:26-28 NIV
Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give
this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.”
Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.
27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.
So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.”
28 But no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him.

Did Jesus love Judas?
If Jesus loved Judas, shouldn't we?

"To love a betrayer, a person who seeks your actual harm and
who slanders you, is a part of our faith (Luke 6:22; 1 Peter 4:4). It literally is
the story of Jesus Christ. Also a part of our faith is the separation between Holy and unholy,
as was stated previously, between friend and foes, which will lead to separation
even amongst family (Luke 12:53). Loving a person who seeks to harm us lays hot coals
on the heads of the betrayer (Romans 12:20), but it also is most Christ like
when done so. Love covers a multitude of sins (1 Peter 4:8) and it creates a pathway
for redemption (2 Corinthians 5:16-21) as we see people as more than just
flesh and blood, we see them as souls to be redeemed." Source

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[Behold]

If Jesus loved Judas, shouldn't we?

No.

Jesus said that "one of you is A Devil"........ not one of you has a devil.
So, we are not to love that one.
He was not a "Brethren" and the NT says we are to "love the Brethren"

"well Behold, let me ask you this stupid question, that correlates with my stupid Thread.......isn't Judas our enemy, and are we not to love our enemies".

Judas was not your enemy......He never knew you.

Did Jesus forgive Judas.............of course.
Is Judas in Hell.........of course........as He never went to Jesus for Forgiveness, and that is because of His guilt, but its also because He killed Himself before Jesus died on the Cross for His sin.

 

[marks]

If Jesus loved Judas, shouldn't we?

You are still perpetuating this silly thread?

News flash:

Judas is not here.

What then would it mean to "love Judas"? All you have is an image in your head of the fellow, nothing more.

So I ask you . . . how would you love Judas?

 

[Hiddenthings]

You are still perpetuating this silly thread?

News flash:

Judas is not here.

What then would it mean to "love Judas"? All you have is an image in your head of the fellow, nothing more.

So I ask you . . . how would you love Judas?

We’re called to love our enemies, even those who play the role of a Judas in our lives despite the fact that their path may lead not to life, but to death.

 

[marks]

We’re called to love our enemies, even those who play the role of a Judas in our lives despite the fact that their path may lead not to life, but to death.

Yes, we are to love all, not just those who love us.

However, this thread is about loving Judas. And he is long gone.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Yes, we are to love all, not just those who love us.

However, this thread is about loving Judas. And he is long gone.

Much love!

Agree

 

[St. SteVen]

The challenge in Christianity is not to love Jesus, it's to love Judas.​

"Say what?"
"Love Judas? We hate Judas!"
"He betrayed our Lord! Why would we love Judas?"

Perhaps Jesus understood this better than we do.
As indicated in this scripture.

John 13:26-28 NIV
Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give
this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish.”
Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.
27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.
So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.”
28 But no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him.

Did Jesus love Judas?
If Jesus loved Judas, shouldn't we?

"To love a betrayer, a person who seeks your actual harm and
who slanders you, is a part of our faith (Luke 6:22; 1 Peter 4:4). It literally is
the story of Jesus Christ. Also a part of our faith is the separation between Holy and unholy,
as was stated previously, between friend and foes, which will lead to separation
even amongst family (Luke 12:53). Loving a person who seeks to harm us lays hot coals
on the heads of the betrayer (Romans 12:20), but it also is most Christ like
when done so. Love covers a multitude of sins (1 Peter 4:8) and it creates a pathway
for redemption (2 Corinthians 5:16-21) as we see people as more than just
flesh and blood, we see them as souls to be redeemed." Source

 

[Hiddenthings]

The challenge in Christianity is not to love Jesus, it's to love Judas.​

"Say what?"
"Love Judas? We hate Judas!"
"He betrayed our Lord! Why would we love Judas?"

Ah yes, because enlarging the font is definitely the key to unlocking profound wisdom

 

[Hiddenthings]

Only a misguided Christian would question Christ’s love for Judas without also reflecting on the love Judas had for Christ.

John 13:30

"He (Judas) went out" - This mirrors the actions of Cain (Gen 4:16) and the unforgiving servant (Matt 18:28), as well as those who "went out from us" (1 John 2:19).

"And it was night" - Just as during the Passover, Judas stepped into the "darkness" of death, much like the Egyptian darkness (which could be felt). Judas, a man who walked in darkness (John 11:7-10), was now fulfilling the words, "This is your hour, when darkness reigns" (Luke 22:53). He was headed toward the "outer darkness" (Matt 25:30).

Matthew 25:30: "And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Why is there weeping and gnashing of teeth in this place of outer darkness? @Lizbeth

 

[Hiddenthings]

@St. SteVen – Please read John 11:7-10 and explain why the teaching of "outer darkness" is described as a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth. How can we be certain that Judas ended up in such a place? In what way does his death reflect this "outer darkness"? Lastly, explain why there is no hope for Judas, and why even loving him cannot alter his ultimate fate.

 

[Lizbeth]

Only a misguided Christian would question Christ’s love for Judas without also reflecting on the love Judas had for Christ.

John 13:30

"He (Judas) went out" - This mirrors the actions of Cain (Gen 4:16) and the unforgiving servant (Matt 18:28), as well as those who "went out from us" (1 John 2:19).

"And it was night" - Just as during the Passover, Judas stepped into the "darkness" of death, much like the Egyptian darkness (which could be felt). Judas, a man who walked in darkness (John 11:7-10), was now fulfilling the words, "This is your hour, when darkness reigns" (Luke 22:53). He was headed toward the "outer darkness" (Matt 25:30).

Matthew 25:30: "And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Why is there weeping and gnashing of teeth in this place of outer darkness? @Lizbeth

I would think it is due to the utter regret of knowing there is no way to go back and alter their fate at that point.....it is the same weeping and gnashing of teeth of the tares thrown into the furnace/lake of fire.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I would think it is due to the utter regret of knowing there is no way to go back and alter their fate at that point.....it is the same weeping and gnashing of teeth of the tares thrown into the furnace/lake of fire.

True - the Lake of Fire is a symbolic term for the final destruction of death and the grave. It's highly contextual.