Infant Baptism is not given in scripture.

[Dash RipRock]

I've never been Baptized in water.

Jesus said to be baptized in water so you'd better hop to it

 

[bdavidc]

I agree with you. You do not own the Truth of Scripture. What you are teaching is your interpretation of the Truth.

The Church owns the Truth: 1 Timothy 3:15.

If you do not obey the teachings of The Church (how The Church interprets Scripture) you are to be treated as a pagan/tax collector (kicked out of The Church): Matthew 18:17


Your theory that you can "believe what is written" even if it is contradictory to the teachings of The Church does not make Christians one. Jesus prayed that we all be one. Your theory (improper interpretation of Scripture) divides Christianity: 20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [j]will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

We can only be one if we are under one Church with one teaching. Once you find that Church that is spoken of in Scripture you will know the Truth because The Church will teach it to you.

God bless, Mary

You’ve been shown the truth from Scripture, but you reject it for man-made religion. I won’t be responding to your false teaching any further.

 

[Dash RipRock]

She must be a catholic

 

[Marymog]

You’ve been shown the truth from Scripture, but you reject it for man-made religion. I won’t be responding to your false teaching any further.

LOL...Ok. Since I debunked your theory using Scripture you decided not to debate anymore.

You previously said that you "never claimed ownership of truth." And that you "believe what is written.' But when I say that I also believe what is written and give you my interpretation of "what is written" you call my teaching a false teaching. But your interpretation is NOT a false teaching? How can you KNOW that my interpretation of Scripture is a "false teaching" if you don't own the Truth?

The fact is that you didn't show me the Truth from Scripture. You gave me YOUR truth from Scripture.

I know you won't be responding but you should at least ponder the hole you have dug and ponder on your dilemma.

God bless.....Mary

 

[Marymog]

She must be a catholic

Yes, very good Dash. I am a member of The Church.

Thank God I am a recovering Protestant. Every Protestant church I went to taught a different "truth" and accused other Protestant denominations of not teaching the Truth. NONE of them could trace their teachings back to the Apostles or even the Apostolic Fathers.

Jesus said, "this is my body/blood". Catholics agree with Him. Protestants don't.
Paul said, "For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body." Catholics agree with Paul. Protestants don't.
Scripture says, "baptism now saves you". Catholics agree. Protestants don't.
Jesus said, "baptize all". Catholics agree with Jesus. Protestants don't. They say baptize all.....except infants or children before the age of reason even though they disagree on when that is.
Jesus said, Let the little children come to me, and do not stop them; for it is to such as these that the kingdom of heaven belongs.” Catholics agree with Jesus. Protestants don't. Protestants say bring children to Christ (The Church) but don't baptize them even though Jesus said baptize all. I guess infants are not "all"?
Scripture says entire families were baptized. Protestants say that doesn't mean infants were baptized. HUH?

Now I could go on and on and on with other heretical teachings/practices of Protestantsim (like your same sex marriage, abortion is not the killing of a baby, openly gay clergy etc etc)......but you get my point.

I hope you recover also. Have a great day.........Mary

 

[DJT_47]

Your men have lied to you.

All my previous posts on this thread and 2,000 years of Christian teachings debunk all your opinions. Go back and read BOTH.

God bless, Mary

2000 yrs of so-called Christian teaching should tell you all you need to know. The church was going astray as early as the letters of the NT and if you read the 1st 3 chapters of revelation you can see it didn't get any better. So, add your 2000 years of man made up contrary sctitural doctrine to that, and that's why you have duch things as infant baptism, pouring water or sprinkling water in lieu of baptizing, pope's, Cardinals, nuns, phoney saints, phoney church hierarchy, etc. 2000 years of falsehood.

 

[DJT_47]

Baptism now saves you. Can't get any clearer than that.

How are infants saved if they can't yet believe?

Curious Mary

They've not committed sin, so salvation is a non issue. And you're right. Infants can't believe: and baptism saves the sinner from past sins committed.

 

[DJT_47]

Guys we all want more information. The scriptures get to abbreviated, so people want to stipulate. In this story what does scriptures say happened and what did they say not happened and what is not mentioned.

Christ told the thief… Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.
People assume Christ was talking about Heaven but that is not necessarily true. There is no indication or suggestion in the scriptures that Yeshua went from the cross to Heaven. In fact He told Mary Magdalene...“Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father;

People assume the thief was saved, but that is not directly implied.

So the rest is speculation.
So here is speculation. There is a tradition that Yeshua and thief, in spirit went to a pleasant area of Sheol. (Sheol having different levels.) Yeshua went to Sheol to preach the Gospel to the Jews there. Then He went to Hell to confront Satan to let him know there was a new sheriff in town.

Paradise IS the 3rd heaven

2 Cor 12

2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

 

[DJT_47]

Baptism is the circumcision of the heart

A "Covenant" by definition is a "solemn agreement between 2 or more parties."
Can you explain to me how infants were able to enter into a Covenant with God, if NOT through the faith of their parents?? Why would entry into the New Covenant be any different?

As we read in Acts 2:39 of Baptism and the forgiveness of sins:
Acts 2:39
The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

Baptism is the circumcision of the heart

A "Covenant" by definition is a "solemn agreement between 2 or more parties."
Can you explain to me how infants were able to enter into a Covenant with God, if NOT through the faith of their parents?? Why would entry into the New Covenant be any different?

As we read in Acts 2:39 of Baptism and the forgiveness of sins:
Acts 2:39
The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

You are distorting acts 2:39. And infants have no ability to do anything nor can someone believe for them, which inch is NOT what Acts 2:39 means

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're not defending the truth, you’re promoting the traditions of men that Jesus clearly warned against. You're twisting Scripture instead of reading it the way God actually meant it. Just be honest, come out and say you're a Catholic and you don’t actually believe what the Bible teaches. You believe in the authority of your church over the authority of Scripture, and that’s the real issue here. But the Bible stands on its own. It doesn’t need to be propped up by councils, catechisms, or so-called “oral tradition.” God’s Word is complete, pure, and sufficient. “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar” (Proverbs 30:6).

Your entire argument collapses under the weight of Scripture itself. God’s Word does not need man’s traditions, councils, or church authority to validate it. The Bible is self-authenticating, God-breathed, and sufficient. 2 Timothy 3:16–17 declares, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” That does not say Scripture plus oral tradition, but Scripture alone.

You falsely claim that 2 Thessalonians 2:15 undermines Sola Scriptura. It does not. That verse was written to a living church receiving direct apostolic teaching, both spoken and written, from living apostles. But once the apostles were gone, the only remaining standard is what they left in writing. Paul’s letters were not meant to endorse an open-ended stream of oral traditions for future generations to invent or distort. Jude 3 commands us to “contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints,” not an evolving system of church teachings.

As for Matthew 2:23, Jesus being called a Nazarene is not “oral tradition”, it’s a summary of prophetic truth consistent with Old Testament themes, even if the exact wording isn’t found. The same goes for Matthew 23:2, Jesus acknowledges the position of those in authority at that time, not an endorsement of extra-biblical tradition. He rebuked the religious leaders for “teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Matthew 15:9). That is exactly what you’re doing, elevating man’s tradition to the level of Scripture, which is condemned.

The examples you gave from 1 Corinthians and 2 Timothy reference information known to the audience at the time, but they do not give authority to oral tradition as a binding rule for the church. None of these passages establish a second stream of ongoing oral revelation that is equal to or above the written Word. In fact, Proverbs 30:5–6 says, “Every word of God is pure... Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”

The canon of Scripture is not man’s invention, it’s God’s work. The church recognized the canon, it didn’t create it. Your appeal to 4th-century councils is meaningless because the Word of God existed and was authoritative long before any church body “affirmed” it. The Bereans were commended for searching the Scriptures daily to test Paul’s teaching (Acts 17:11), not for appealing to oral tradition or church authority.

Faith comes by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17), and the only reliable source of God’s Word today is the written Scripture. You are not defending the truth, you are promoting the traditions of men that Jesus warned against. You're twisting Scripture instead of reading it the way God actually meant it.

2 Tim. 3:16-17 states: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is PROFITABLEE for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”

It says that it’s profitable – it doesn’t say that it’s exclusive. NOWHERE does Scripture claim for itself that it is the ONLY thing we need. As I proved to you from Scripture itself – it instructs us also to adhere to the ORAL teachings of the Church.

YOU claim that after the Apostles died off – we were no longer bound by the teachings of the Church.
- Care to show me where the BIBLE claims this??
- Can you show me where ANYBODY in the Early Church taught this??
- Can you show me where ANYNODY in the first 1500 years of the Church taught this??

As to your rejection of the Biblical proof I gave you for Oral Tradition, it’s nothing but cowardly denial.
Matthew 2:23
… and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.
This is absolutely an Oral Tradition. It is a spoken (not written) prophecy.

1 Cor. 10:4
They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

2 Timothy 3:8
Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.
These are both Oral Traditions.

YOUR understanding of Sacred Tradition is based in ignorance. Sacred/Oral Tradition isn’t something that is “invented”. It is a sacred teaching that is rooted in God’s Word.

Finally, as to the Canon of Scripture – it was revealed to the world by the CATHOLIC Church, led by the Holy Spirit. God is the Author – His Church is the instrument that gave it to the world. In the Bible – God sometimes uses evil entities to work His purpose – but He NEVER uses an evil entity to reveal and spread His Truth. He ALWAYS uses HIS people.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are distorting acts 2:39. And infants have no ability to do anything nor can someone believe for them, which inch is NOT what Acts 2:39 means

Then explain to me how infants were able to enter into a Covenant with God through circumcision, if NOT through the faith of their parents. How can an infant enter into a Covenant??

Funny how you completely ignored that point . . .

 

[Behold]

Jesus said to be baptized in water so you'd better hop to it

Everyone should be water baptized, after they are born again.
Its not required for Salvation, but it is a public confession of your faith and identificaiton with the risen Christ.

 

[Dash RipRock]

I hope you recover also

I'm not a cult member so you can keep your "recovery"

 

[Behold]

Thank God I am a recovering Protestant. Every Protestant church I went to taught a different "truth" and accused other Protestant denominations of not teaching the Truth. NONE of them could trace their teachings back to the Apostles or even the Apostolic Fathers.

Here is something you can try to do..

Take a bible.....and try to prove " Catholic Relics" are of God.

Next, try to prove from the Scriptures.........that "Mary ascended to Heaven"...

Here is a hint for you.........you'd have to write your own bible, to find that in a bible as those 2 "cult of mary" lies, are not found in a bible.

 

[bdavidc]

2 Tim. 3:16-17 states: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is PROFITABLEE for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”

It says that it’s profitable – it doesn’t say that it’s exclusive. NOWHERE does Scripture claim for itself that it is the ONLY thing we need. As I proved to you from Scripture itself – it instructs us also to adhere to the ORAL teachings of the Church.

YOU claim that after the Apostles died off – we were no longer bound by the teachings of the Church.
- Care to show me where the BIBLE claims this??
- Can you show me where ANYBODY in the Early Church taught this??
- Can you show me where ANYNODY in the first 1500 years of the Church taught this??

As to your rejection of the Biblical proof I gave you for Oral Tradition, it’s nothing but cowardly denial.
Matthew 2:23
… and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.
This is absolutely an Oral Tradition. It is a spoken (not written) prophecy.

1 Cor. 10:4
They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

2 Timothy 3:8
Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.
These are both Oral Traditions.

YOUR understanding of Sacred Tradition is based in ignorance. Sacred/Oral Tradition isn’t something that is “invented”. It is a sacred teaching that is rooted in God’s Word.

Finally, as to the Canon of Scripture – it was revealed to the world by the CATHOLIC Church, led by the Holy Spirit. God is the Author – His Church is the instrument that gave it to the world. In the Bible – God sometimes uses evil entities to work His purpose – but He NEVER uses an evil entity to reveal and spread His Truth. He ALWAYS uses HIS people.

The argument you're making is not grounded in Scripture, and that’s the standard we must use. Sola Scriptura means that Scripture alone is the final and sufficient authority for all doctrine, correction, and instruction in righteousness. You quoted 2 Timothy 3:16-17 but missed the point, Paul is telling Timothy that the Scriptures are enough to make the man of God complete, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. That does not mean Scripture is just “profitable,” like one tool among many. It means it is sufficient. Nothing else is needed to equip a believer for every good work. If Scripture equips us fully, then oral traditions, especially those not recorded or validated by Scripture, are unnecessary and even dangerous when they go beyond or contradict the written Word.

You referenced “oral tradition,” but Scripture warns against traditions that are not aligned with the Word of God. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees in Mark 7:13, saying they were “making the word of God of none effect through your tradition.” The same applies today. When you elevate oral traditions to the level of God’s Word, you are doing exactly what Jesus condemned, substituting man’s teachings for God’s. The examples you cited, like Matthew 2:23 or 2 Timothy 3:8, do not establish an authoritative “oral tradition” outside Scripture, they are references that the Holy Spirit chose to include in the written Word. Once recorded in Scripture, they become part of Scripture, not evidence for continuing tradition outside it.

You also said it’s “cowardly denial” to reject oral tradition, but what is truly cowardly is refusing to submit to the authority of Scripture alone. You asked where the Bible says we are no longer bound to church teachings after the Apostles, but that question itself assumes church teachings have equal authority with God’s Word. They don’t. Galatians 1:8 makes it crystal clear: “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” That includes any so-called “sacred tradition” that comes after the fact and is not grounded in Scripture.

Finally, your appeal to the Catholic Church as the authority that “gave” us the canon is completely irrelevant to what Scripture says about its own authority. God used men to write His Word and preserve it, but the authority comes from God, not the institution. The Holy Spirit confirms His truth to the believer (John 16:13), and no institution, Catholic or otherwise, has the right to elevate itself above the Word of God.

It is not up to us to decide how God should reveal truth. He has already revealed it through His Word, and we are commanded not to add to it or take away from it (Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18-19). Your foundation is in the words of men. Mine is in the written Word of God.

 

[Grailhunter]

Paradise IS the 3rd heaven

2 Cor 12

2I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Agreed,
I consider the backwoods of the Mark Twain National Forest in Missouri....Paradise. But Paradise is the condition of a place and the joy it brings.....Not generally the proper name.....Paradise can be a lot of places.....the proper name of the Garden of Eden was the Paradise of Delights.

12 Boasting is necessary, though it is not profitable; but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows— 4 was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak. 5 On behalf of such a man I will boast; but on my own behalf I will not boast, except in regard to my weaknesses. 6 For if I do wish to boast I will not be foolish, for I will be speaking the truth; but I refrain from this, so that no one will credit me with more than he sees in me or hears from me. 2nd Corinthians 12

In the scriptures God "takes" a few people but we really don't know exactly where He take them. And Sheol is real but most Christians do not consider it.

Yeshua after the cross opened the gates to Heaven to humans for the first time. And yes Heaven is like Paradise……Unless you like playing baseball.

The scriptures do not tell us exactly where the thief on the cross went….more speculation than information.

​

 

[Dash RipRock]

You referenced “oral tradition,” but Scripture warns against traditions that are not aligned with the Word of God.

Eggshactly!

Finally, your appeal to the Catholic Church as the authority that “gave” us the canon is completely irrelevant to what Scripture says about its own authority. God used men to write His Word and preserve it, but the authority comes from God, not the institution. The Holy Spirit confirms His truth to the believer (John 16:13), and no institution, Catholic or otherwise, has the right to elevate itself above the Word of God.

And let us not forget it was the catholics that attempted to keep people from having access to God's Word so they could read and study it for themselves.

Even today their position is to tell people "we will tell you what God says and those that don't believe us are dammed to hell"

 

[BreadOfLife]

The argument you're making is not grounded in Scripture, and that’s the standard we must use. Sola Scriptura means that Scripture alone is the final and sufficient authority for all doctrine, correction, and instruction in righteousness. You quoted 2 Timothy 3:16-17 but missed the point, Paul is telling Timothy that the Scriptures are enough to make the man of God complete, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. That does not mean Scripture is just “profitable,” like one tool among many. It means it is sufficient. Nothing else is needed to equip a believer for every good work. If Scripture equips us fully, then oral traditions, especially those not recorded or validated by Scripture, are unnecessary and even dangerous when they go beyond or contradict the written Word.

You are adding to Scripture here. It does NOT say – does nor even IMPLY what you are saying. Imply

The Greek word used here is οπηελιμοσ (o-fel'-ee-mos), and is defined as:
“Helpful; serviceable; profitable”

It doesn’t mean “sufficient” or “exclusive”. Words have meanings – and you can’t just change them when YOU feel like it.

You referenced “oral tradition,” but Scripture warns against traditions that are not aligned with the Word of God. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees in Mark 7:13, saying they were “making the word of God of none effect through your tradition.” The same applies today. When you elevate oral traditions to the level of God’s Word, you are doing exactly what Jesus condemned, substituting man’s teachings for God’s. The examples you cited, like Matthew 2:23 or 2 Timothy 3:8, do not establish an authoritative “oral tradition” outside Scripture, they are references that the Holy Spirit chose to include in the written Word. Once recorded in Scripture, they become part of Scripture, not evidence for continuing tradition outside it.

YOUR problem – and you have many – is that you read Scripture OUT of its proper context.

Jesus was condemning the made-up traditions of the Pharisees because they were placing them ABOVE God. Verse 5 says it ALL:

Mark 7:5
So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”
They were condemning the disciples of Jesus, who ate without washing their hands.

Instead of cherry-picking - learn to properly divide the Word . . .

You also said it’s “cowardly denial” to reject oral tradition, but what is truly cowardly is refusing to submit to the authority of Scripture alone. You asked where the Bible says we are no longer bound to church teachings after the Apostles, but that question itself assumes church teachings have equal authority with God’s Word. They don’t. Galatians 1:8 makes it crystal clear: “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” That includes any so-called “sacred tradition” that comes after the fact and is not grounded in Scripture.

I wouldn’t say it’s ‘cowardly” to refuse to submit to Sola Scriptura.

I would say that it’s Biblically-sound. Sola Scriptura is Biblically-Unsound because it is NOWHERE commanded, taught OR advised on the pages of Scripture.

Ummmm, notice that your reference to Cal. 1:8, above says:
“… that which we have preached unto you …”
Notice it doesn’t say, “that which we have WROTE unto you” . . .

Finally, your appeal to the Catholic Church as the authority that “gave” us the canon is completely irrelevant to what Scripture says about its own authority. God used men to write His Word and preserve it, but the authority comes from God, not the institution. The Holy Spirit confirms His truth to the believer (John 16:13), and no institution, Catholic or otherwise, has the right to elevate itself above the Word of God.

It is not up to us to decide how God should reveal truth. He has already revealed it through His Word, and we are commanded not to add to it or take away from it (Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18-19). Your foundation is in the words of men. Mine is in the written Word of God.

Then the onus is on YOU to show me a precedent for God using a NON-authoritative source to spread His Word.
The OT had the authority of Moses and the Prophets.
The NT has the Apostles and the Church.

According to YOU – the ONLY authority is the Bible – a claim which the Bible itself rejects . . .

 

[bdavidc]

YOUR problem – and you have many – is that you read Scripture OUT of its proper context.

Jesus was condemning the made-up traditions of the Pharisees because they were placing them ABOVE God. Verse 5 says it ALL:

Mark 7:5
So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, “Why don’t your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with defiled hands?”
They were condemning the disciples of Jesus, who ate without washing their hands.

Instead of cherry-picking - learn to properly divide the Word . . .

You are not rightly dividing anything, you’re twisting Scripture to defend man-made religion, and I’ve had enough of your dishonest arguments. You keep accusing others of cherry-picking while you rip verses out of context to support false doctrine. Mark 7 isn’t about hygiene, it’s about corrupt religious tradition being elevated above the Word of God. Jesus said clearly in verse 7, “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” That applies directly to your defense of things like infant baptism, which is nowhere taught or practiced in Scripture.

The Greek word used for tradition in Mark 7:8 is paradosis (παράδοσις), which refers to handed-down teachings, not commands from God. Jesus condemned these because they nullified the Word of God (Mark 7:13). That is exactly what you’re doing, propping up religious tradition, claiming it’s biblical, and then attacking anyone who shows you what the Bible actually says. You ignore clear verses, invent meanings, and falsely accuse others just to prop up a system that isn’t found in Scripture.

You’re not correcting, you’re deflecting. You have been shown the Word plainly, yet you continue to lie and resist the truth. That’s not debate, that’s deception. You’ve rejected Scripture and chosen tradition.

 

[bdavidc]

Then the onus is on YOU to show me a precedent for God using a NON-authoritative source to spread His Word.
The OT had the authority of Moses and the Prophets.
The NT has the Apostles and the Church.

According to YOU – the ONLY authority is the Bible – a claim which the Bible itself rejects . . .

Your entire argument is built on lies and rebellion against the authority of God's Word. The Bible never “rejects” itself as the only authority, that’s a ridiculous and false claim. What it does reject is adding to or taking away from what God has spoken. Deuteronomy 4:2 says, “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it.” Proverbs 30:6 warns, “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” And Revelation 22:18–19 issues the same warning at the close of the canon. God has already spoken, and His written Word is sufficient.

You claim the Old Testament had the authority of Moses and the Prophets, yes, and what did God command? Write it down. Over and over, God told His prophets, “Write the vision” (Habakkuk 2:2). Not invent oral traditions, but record His Word. The authority came from what God said, not the men themselves. The New Testament follows the same pattern. The Apostles were eyewitnesses and inspired by the Holy Spirit, not to create an institution, but to declare and write God’s Word so that future believers would have the truth. Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 4:6, “That ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written.” That means the standard is Scripture, not tradition, not councils, not church hierarchy.

The Greek word for “Scripture” in 2 Timothy 3:16 is graphē (γραφή), meaning the written Word. Paul says that all Scripture is God-breathed (theopneustos), and able to make the man of God complete and fully equipped (2 Timothy 3:16–17). That word artios means complete, and exērtismenos means thoroughly equipped. Not partially, not dependent on the “Church,” but fully furnished by Scripture alone.

You’ve been shown this over and over again, but you refuse to listen. You cling to man-made tradition and call it divine, while you slander those who hold fast to God’s actual Word. That’s not ignorance, that’s willful deception. You reject the truth and lie about what Scripture teaches, and I’m done entertaining it. You are twisting God’s Word, and unless you repent, the judgment you face won’t be from me, it’ll be from the God whose Word you keep rejecting.

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