THE CONFIRMING OF THE COVENANT OF DANIEL 9:27

[Douggg]

Not all of them do. Not all equate the entire 70th week with the tribulation. Some equate the tribulation only with a time period that begins after the supposed future 70th week begins and, usually, those only see the last 3.5 years before Christ's returns as being the tribulation. So, for them, pre-trib means He comes at some point after the 70th week begins and before the last 3.5 years begins.

The three most popular rapture timing views incorporating the "trib" term are...

Pre-trib - pre-70th week

Mid-trib - mid-70th week

Post-trib - post-70th week (i.e the rapture to take place on the day that Jesus returns)

All three hold that the entire 70th week is tribulation.

And all three hold that the Great Tribulation begins at the mid-point of the 70th week.

Pre-trib holds the position that the rapture will take place before the Antichrist is revealed who he is - as he starts the 70th week by confirming a peace covenant.

There are several critical flaws with each of the three views.

The flaws are...
1. the 70th week is not all tribulation.
2. the Great Tribulation does not begin at the midpoint, but on day 1185 of the 7 years.

My view is....the rapture could take place anytime between now and the transgression of desolation act.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The three most popular rapture timing views incorporating the "trib" term are...

Pre-trib - pre-70th week

Mid-trib - mid-70th week

Post-trib - post-70th week (i.e the rapture to take place on the day that Jesus returns)

Doug, was I debating this? No, I was not. You don't need to tell me things like this. You completely wasted your time. I was simply pointing out that there are other pre-trib views besides that one.

]Pre-trib holds the position that the rapture will take place before the Antichrist is revealed who he is - as he starts the 70th week by confirming a peace covenant.

That doesn't seem like tribulation at all, so this is why some pre-tribs do not see the tribulation as starting in the beginning of the supposed future 70th week, but instead some time after that. Let's say they see it starting halfway through the 70th week. So, for them pre-trib means the rapture can occur after the 70th week begins, but has to be before the midway point of the 70th week.

 

[Douggg]

That doesn't seem like tribulation at all, so this is why some pre-tribs do not see the tribulation as starting in the beginning of the supposed future 70th week, but instead some time after that. Let's say they see it starting halfway through the 70th week. So, for them pre-trib means the rapture can occur after the 70th week begins, but has to be before the midway point of the 70th week.

Name some pre-tribber who considers that the rapture can occur after the 70th week begins - but before the midway point of the 70th week.

This is the typical pretribber position....

Why I Believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

Frequently I am asked to explain or defend the end-time view of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church.

christinprophecy.org

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Name some pre-tribber who considers that the rapture can occur after the 70th week begins - but before the midway point of the 70th week.

This is the typical pretribber position....

Why I Believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture

Frequently I am asked to explain or defend the end-time view of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church.

christinprophecy.org

LOL. I don't recall names offhand, but it's a view I have seen. I am not saying it's the typical view. I just thought I'd point out that there are other pre-trib views since you came across as if there was only one. I have no interest in discussing this any further.

 

[Douggg]

LOL. I don't recall names offhand, but it's a view I have seen. I am not saying it's the typical view. I just thought I'd point out that there are other pre-trib views since you came across as if there was only one. I have no interest in discussing this any further.

There is only one pre-trib view in regards to the 70th week.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There is only one pre-trib view in regards to the 70th week.

You are a stubborn one. I have seen and heard the comments of pretribs who do not believe the tribulation begins at the beginning of the 70th week, but rather begins a bit after that or at the midpoint. So, you can't tell me otherwise. It's a minority view among pretribs, but some have it.

 

[Douggg]

You are a stubborn one. I have seen and heard the comments of pretribs who do not believe the tribulation begins at the beginning of the 70th week, but rather begins a bit after that or at the midpoint. So, you can't tell me otherwise. It's a minority view among pretribs, but some have it.

So post a link to some pre-trib site that holds the view you claim exists.

 

[Davy]

The Pre-tribulation rapture view is that the rapture will take place before the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 begins.

The FALSE Pre-trib Rapture THEORY is the belief that Christ secretly raptures out His Church PRIOR... to the start of the "great tribulation". (Look at Tim LaHaye's fake Left-Behind series and movies)

The "great tribulation" begins with the placing of the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at a NEW Jew's temple in JERUSALEM, as shown by Jesus in Matthew 24:15. SO HEAR YE, HEAR YE, BRETHREN IN CHRIST!

The "great tribulation" is the LATTER HALF of the Daniel 9:27 "one week" (the 70th final week). It is 1260 days, the SAME 1260 days God's "two witnesses" are given to prophesy against the beast per Revelation 11.

Anyone who can read can easily know the above timings. Those who refuse the above don't want... to read, and thus could care less about God's written Word, and will have their reward when Jesus returns.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So post a link to some pre-trib site that holds the view you claim exists.

I'm not aware of any such site. I'm talking about what I have seen people say in the past on forums like this and to me in person. If you don't want to believe that, then that's your problem.

 

[Douggg]

The "great tribulation" begins with the placing of the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at a NEW Jew's temple in JERUSALEM, as shown by Jesus in Matthew 24:15. SO HEAR YE, HEAR YE, BRETHREN IN CHRIST!

That part you got right, Davy.

The "great tribulation" is the LATTER HALF of the Daniel 9:27 "one week" (the 70th final week). It is 1260 days, the SAME 1260 days God's "two witnesses" are given to prophesy against the beast per Revelation 11.

The second half of the 70th week will be witnin the great tribulation timeframe. But the great tribulation timeframe will begin on day 1185 of the 70th week. 1335 days before Jesus returns.

 

[Douggg]

The FALSE Pre-trib Rapture THEORY is the belief that Christ secretly raptures out His Church PRIOR... to the start of the "great tribulation". (Look at Tim LaHaye's fake Left-Behind series and movies)

Davy, Tim LaHaye died in 2016 at the age of 90. Before then, he founded The Pre-Trib Research Center.

I copied this from that site...

"(PTRC) is committed to the study, proclamation, teaching, and defense of the pre-tribulation rapture (pre-70th week of Daniel) and related end-time prophecy."

...what the pre-trib rapture view maintains is that the rapture will happen before the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 begins.

Their error in terminology is calling the entire 70th week as "tribulation". An error because much of the first half will not be tribulation. But instead, the world will be saying peace and safety, thinking it has entered the messianic age. However, it will be a false messianic age, that suddenly dissolves when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That part you got right, Davy.

So, this is what I've been trying to tell you, which is what Davy described. Some people equate the "trib" part of "pre-trib" with "the great tribulation" and they do not see "the trib" as beginning when the 70th week begins, but rather some time after that, including in the middle of it. So, they are pre-trib in terms of their understanding of the trib which is that the trib refers to the great tribulation. This is the view I was trying to tell you about that some people believe. These people don't talk about any other tribulation besides "the great tribulation", so in their view "pretrib" means pre-great tribulation and not pre-70th week. I understand that is not the most common understanding of what "pretrib" means, but you'd have to be very naive to think that everyone defines "pretrib" the same way.

 

[Douggg]

. I understand that is not the most common understanding of what "pretrib" means, but you'd have to be very naive to think that everyone defines "pretrib" the same way.

In post #251, I copied from the Pre-trib Research Center a line that has pre-70th week of Daniel in parenthesis.

 

[Douggg]

I'm not aware of any such site. I'm talking about what I have seen people say in the past on forums like this and to me in person. If you don't want to believe that, then that's your problem.

I need to see what the persons actually said myself.

Anyway, why don't you just go with what the Pre-trib sites define the Pre-trib view as ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In post #251, I copied from the Pre-trib Research Center a line that has pre-70th week of Daniel in parenthesis.

Again, I am not saying that isn't the majority pre-trib view. You understand that, right? I'm simply saying there are other pre-trib views besides that. There is nothing that says you can't be pre-trib in some sense unless you agree with how the Pre-trib Research Center defines it. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I need to see what the persons actually said myself.

Why would I just make it up? I would have no reason to do that. For crying out loud, why does it matter if there are some exceptions to what people consider to be the tribulation period?

Anyway, why don't you just go with what the Pre-trib sites define the Pre-trib view as ?

Because that's not the only pre-trib view. I'm trying to not put all pre-tribs in one group as if they all see things exactly the same or all premills as if they think the same or all Amills as if they think the same and so on. I get criticized when I make blanket statements about Premills and I'm trying to stop doing things like that since not all Premills think the same. And not all Pre-tribs see the trib as starting at the beginning of the 70th week. If you don't want to accept that, so be it. I don't care to talk about that anymore.