Trump Moving Too Fast?

[Sister-n-Christ]

Sister, I do agree. I think you're just not grasping the difference between the pagan easter and Christian Resurrection and Passover. It's okay.

So ...back to the OP. :)

Please don't patronize me. Thank you.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Another one going on ignore.... signs of the times we're in. No need for strife.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Another one going on ignore.... signs of the times we're in. No need for strife.

Then you should pray and stop bringing it into this community.

 

[Truth7t7]

Feel free to believe Paganism cancels the Christian celebratory calendar whose dates do not coincide with Pagans.

The dates do coincide, the pagan day of Easter follows the first "Sun"day after the full moon thats after the spring vernal equinox, the pagans worshipped on "Sun"day", the very reason why Easter "Sun"day changes every year because it's tied to the vernal equinox and not the calendar

"Sun"day rest and worship of the Roman "Sun" god, it was a mandate in the Roman empire as the day of rest under Roman Emperor Constatine, and it hasn't changed to this day

Wikipedia: Sol Invictus (Classical Latin: [ˈsoːɫ ɪnˈwɪktʊs], "Invincible Sun" or "Unconquered Sun") was the official sun god of the late Roman Empire and a later version of the god Sol. The emperor Aurelian revived his cult in 274 AD and promoted Sol Invictus as the chief god of the empire.

Constantine decreed (March 7, 321)[h] DIES SOLIS – the day of the Sun, "Sunday" – as the Roman day of rest

On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.[45][46]

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

The dates do coincide, the pagan day of Easter follows the first "Sun"day after the full moon thats after the spring vernal equinox, the pagans worshipped on "Sun"day", the very reason why Easter "Sun"day changes every year because it's tied to the vernal equinox and not the calendar

"Sun"day rest and worship of the Roman "Sun" god, it was a mandate in the Roman empire as the day of rest under Roman Emperor Constatine, and it hasn't changed to this day

Wikipedia: Sol Invictus (Classical Latin: [ˈsoːɫ ɪnˈwɪktʊs], "Invincible Sun" or "Unconquered Sun") was the official sun god of the late Roman Empire and a later version of the god Sol. The emperor Aurelian revived his cult in 274 AD and promoted Sol Invictus as the chief god of the empire.

Constantine decreed (March 7, 321)[h] DIES SOLIS – the day of the Sun, "Sunday" – as the Roman day of rest

Easter is not a Pagan day.

The dates of our celebrations do not coincide.

Giving Pagans credit to overcome our Lord and his days we celebrate is wrong.
And concessionary in ranking Pagan worship as that what is able to overcome our Lord Christ.

Searching out Pagan seasonal celebration calendars would help in correcting what is so wrong in many Christians thoughts on this topic.

Though it isn't all that necessary when we know Christians pouring their energy into celebrating God's times of life is of God.

Not Pagans.

 

[Lizbeth]

Did you watch the movie, Conclave?
It was made when Francis reportedly first started showing signs of weakness.

Conclave movie SPOILER:They elected a Mexican Hermaphrodite as Pope

Francis died after giving the Easter Homily. He was always radical compared to the conservative predecessors. I think that Easter speech is what led to his death hours later. I think he was murdered.
Wouldn't be a first time in that institution.

We need to walk our own path. No Catholic could talk us out of our faith. We might consider the same to be true for Catholics. Only God can change their mind.

I haven't seen the movie, but yes, there have always been fleshly power struggles in that evil institution, because it is of the flesh and carnal mind. I don't think it is any different than the Caesars of Rome and the bloody courts of Europe in terms of ambitions and power struggles, and competing ideas. Although I have no idea whether this Pope was murdered or not...he was aged and his last illness left him very frail and weak.....and whatever his last speech was (I didn't see it), he had been unabashedly liberal from the beginning.

Sister, we all need to walk humbly in the fear of the Lord, as we have an enemy always seeking to devour and deceive, and it is a spiritual battle. Scripture says take heed who thinks he stands lest he fall. I have heard of believers turning to Catholicism, though I guess only God knows in each case if they had genuinely been born again. As well as that many protestant churches unfortunately have been deceived to soften their stance towards Catholicism in recent years.

I believe we should not hesitate to witness to Catholics what the Lord did in bringing us to Him, as we have opportunity.....in the mouths of two or three witnesses let every truth be established...we just never know when our witness will help pave the way for someone coming to Christ, be they Catholic or any other.

 

[Josho]

Is this now going from

Trump Moving Too Fast?​

To:

New Pope moving to fast?

Perhaps they should have a race, I wonder who will win?

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually, Easter and Christmas, are Christian holidays and pagans took those same days later.

False, Easter was the day of the pagan fertility rite and the vernal equinox of spring, The time surrounding Christmas was the pagan winter solstice in the rebirth of the sun as daytime starting to increase daily

Both the pagan Easterty and Winter Solstice pre date the birth of Christ by centuries

 

[Truth7t7]

Feel free to believe Paganism cancels the Christian celebratory calendar whose dates do not coincide with Pagans.

Jesus gave the church a direct instruction on how to "Remember Him" not his birth or resurrection but his "Death"

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

 

[Rockerduck]

Jesus gave the church a direct instruction on how to "Remember Him" not his birth or resurrection but his "Death"

1 Corinthians 11:23-26KJV
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Then why did Matthew and Luke make such a big deal about Christ's birth.

 

[Rockerduck]

False, Easter was the day of the pagan fertility rite and the vernal equinox of spring, The time surrounding Christmas was the pagan winter solstice in the rebirth of the sun as daytime starting to increase daily

Both the pagan Easterty and Winter Solstice pre date the birth of Christ by centuries

The is no proof of that. Easter that we know was never a fertility rite and never recorded as so. Christmas is documented before all other dates. I have the earlier records and every year at Christmas I have to prove the early Christians celebrate Christ birthday in the 1st century. Ted Armstrong wrote a book that spread this pagan notion.

 

[Lizbeth]

Easter is not a Pagan day.

The dates of our celebrations do not coincide.

Giving Pagans credit to overcome our Lord and his days we celebrate is wrong.
And concessionary in ranking Pagan worship as that what is able to overcome our Lord Christ.

Searching out Pagan seasonal celebration calendars would help in correcting what is so wrong in many Christians thoughts on this topic.

Though it isn't all that necessary when we know Christians pouring their energy into celebrating God's times of life is of God.

Not Pagans.

The Lord did not ordain and command that we celebrate His birth or resurrection, so I wouldn't consider it to be of Him....although I don't believe it is sin to do so, in and of itself. Paul wrote that whether we esteem one day above another or not, to let everyone be persuaded in their own mind, so it's between the individual and the Lord.

 

[Truth7t7]

The is no proof of that. Easter that we know was never a fertility rite and never recorded as so. Christmas is documented before all other dates. I have the earlier records and every year at Christmas I have to prove the early Christians celebrate Christ birthday in the 1st century. Ted Armstrong wrote a book that spread this pagan notion.

Easter and Christmas observance is of pagan origins that pre-date Christianity, Easter, Christmas, and Sunday observances was brought into the Church by the supposed converted pagans of the Roman Empire

Today the majority of churches have Christianized Oct 31 the pagan Samhain or Witches New Year, kids wearing costumes, candy, etc and they call it a "Harvest Festival"

In So Cal many churches have Easter egg hunts on church grounds after service, nothing hidden about it they advertise it

Do you see a modern day Christmas tree in the scripture below?

"Learn Not The Way Of The Heathen"

Jeremiah 10:1-4KJV
1 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

 

[Lizbeth]

Then why did Matthew and Luke make such a big deal about Christ's birth.

Because it was a big deal and important witness. To show prophecies fulfilled, including the virgin birth and Jesus' genealogy as being descended from David.

 

[Rockerduck]

Because it was a big deal and important witness. To show prophecies fulfilled, including the virgin birth and Jesus' genealogy as being descended from David.

Yes and I was responding to Truth7t7 with my statement, I already knew that. I wanted Truth7t7 to respond.

 

[Rockerduck]

Easter and Christmas observance is of pagan origins that pre-date Christianity, Easter, Christmas, and Sunday observances was brought into the Church by the supposed converted pagans of the Roman Empire

Today the majority of churches have Christianized Oct 31 the pagan Samhain or Witches New Year, kids wearing costumes, candy, etc and they call it a "Harvest Festival"

In So Cal many churches have Easter egg hunts on church grounds after service, nothing hidden about it they advertise it

Do you see a modern day Christmas tree in the scripture below?

"Learn Not The Way Of The Heathen"

Jeremiah 10:1-4KJV
1 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

Still no proof. Jeremiah 10:1 is about making tree Idols and you should know that. Please, that tree idol is right out of Ted Armstrong's book.

 

[Scott Downey]

He is another Socialist Satanic Anti-Christ Bastard who claimes Islam is of the Same God ? and I am sure he is of the same god's as Islam is as well !

Agree with you
The Islamic god and lord is a demon
We can know God only through His Son.
Who is the image of the invisible God

Hebrews 1

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God (the Son), even thy God (The Father), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

v 8-9 also show The Son is God as does v3

 

[Scott Downey]

John 5
22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/120388/does-the-talmud-say-that-jesus-writhes-in-excrement-and-mary-was-a-prostitute

1. In Gittin 56b-57a there's a story in which Onkelos bar Kalonikos, the nephew of Titus, wishes to convert to Judaism, but before that, consults three evil men through necromancy. One of these is a man called "יש"ו"/"Jesus":

"Onkelos then went and raised Jesus the Nazarene1 from the grave through necromancy. Onkelos said to him: Who is most important in that world where you are now? Jesus said to him: The Jewish people. Onkelos asked him: Should I then attach myself to them in this world? Jesus said to him: Their welfare you shall seek, their misfortune you shall not seek, for anyone who touches them is regarded as if he were touching the apple of his eye (see Zechariah 2:12). Onkelos said to him: What is the punishment of that man, a euphemism for Jesus himself, in the next world? Jesus said to him: He is punished with boiling excrement. As the Master said: Anyone who mocks the words of the Sages will be sentenced to boiling excrement. And this was his sin, as he mocked the words of the Sages. The Gemara comments: Come and see the difference between the sinners of Israel and the prophets of the nations of the world. As Balaam, who was a prophet, wished Israel harm, whereas Jesus the Nazarene, who was a Jewish sinner, sought their well-being."

 

[Lizbeth]

Yes and I was responding to Truth7t7 with my statement, I already knew that. I wanted Truth7t7 to respond.

I just wanted to point out that there is just no command by the Lord to set aside a day to celebrate these things. He didn't ordain any such days, even though the birth (and resurrection) of Christ are written about in the scriptures.

 

[Rockerduck]

I just wanted to point out that there is just no command by the Lord to set aside a day to celebrate these things. He didn't ordain any such days, even though the birth (and resurrection) of Christ are written about in the scriptures.

Of course, but the details of Christ birth in Matthew and Luke were put in there to study. The early church put mangers scenes in their homes on Christmas. So, it mattered then and to Christians now. It is the most evangelist holiday of the year to witness and describe the birth of Jesus and why He came into the world.