SETTLING THE FALSE THEORY OF REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY

[Davy]

I have not omitted anything. You have inserted a meaning into the text that does not belong there.

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And now you have revealed that your are a LIAR.

You INTENTIONALLY left out the Romans 11:7-10 Scripture by Apostle Paul where he showed that God put the "spirit of slumber" upon his spiritually blinded brethren Jews.

You have thus shown you are a 'shady' character, and not to be trusted.

 

[Zao is life]

And now you have revealed that your are a LIAR.

You INTENTIONALLY left out the Romans 11:7-10 Scripture by Apostle Paul where he showed that God put the "spirit of slumber" upon his spiritually blinded brethren Jews.

You have thus shown you are a 'shady' character, and not to be trusted.

LOL. No, you are THE shady character in this instance - because you overemphasize the word "slumber" and ignore the meaning of the rest of the sentence in the same verse - which ensures the word "slumber" does not mean what you assert - so that you can change the meaning not only of the verse, but the rest of the passage also.

You're also the hysterical character. Hysterically funny when you get so animated.

You have no clue of what "It is written" and "unto this day" even means in the verse because you ignore the meaning of the rest of the sentence so that you can claim that "slumber" in the verse implies a temporary condition.

The passages in scripture that Paul is referring to do not use the word "slumber" to talk about what Paul is talking about. Because they are talking about a permanent broken off from Israel and from covenant relationship with God condition. Paul used that word because he knew that IF individual Jews repent of their unbelief, they will be grafted back into Israel again. He even said so, later.

You're dishonest because you refuse to believe the facts even when they are pointed out to you - just so that you can hold onto what has always been your false assumption and misinterpretation.

You are the "shady character".​

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And now you have revealed that your are a LIAR.

You INTENTIONALLY left out the Romans 11:7-10 Scripture by Apostle Paul where he showed that God put the "spirit of slumber" upon his spiritually blinded brethren Jews.

You have thus shown you are a 'shady' character, and not to be trusted.

Wow, so dramatic. Did you miss this part of his post:

Paul (talking about the rest who had been broken off):

Romans 11
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Where did he say this wasn't in relation to Paul's "spiritually blinded brethren Jews"? You should not call people liars just because you struggle to comprehend what you read.

 

[Davy]

Wow, so dramatic. Did you miss this part of his post:


Where did he say this wasn't in relation to Paul's "spiritually blinded brethren Jews"? You should not call people liars just because you struggle to comprehend what you read.

Your brand of logic still does not work.

If I see you getting ready to step in a hole, and I say nothing to you to warn you, am I guilty for your own ignorance of you not realizing that hole you stepped in?

Likewise, when I HAVE BEEN FALSELY ACCUSSED AGAINST the specific... point I spoke of in an earlier post, of how God had BLINDED the majority of Apostle Paul's brethren the Jews, and that accuser INTENTIONALY OMITS the very ROMANS 11 Scripture which CONFIRMS what I said, that makes that accuser a LIAR.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your brand of logic still does not work.

If I see you getting ready to step in a hole, and I say nothing to you to warn you, am I guilty for your own ignorance of you not realizing that hole you stepped in?

Likewise, when I HAVE BEEN FALSELY ACCUSSED AGAINST the specific... point I spoke of in an earlier post, of how God had BLINDED the majority of Apostle Paul's brethren the Jews, and that accuser INTENTIONALY OMITS the very ROMANS 11 Scripture which CONFIRMS what I said, that makes that accuser a LIAR.

I simply showed that he did not leave out what you said he left out of his post. That's it. As for whatever else you're talking about, you can talk to him about it.

 

[Davy]

Yeah but:

Once they were called "not a people" by God (Isaiah 7:8; Hosea 1:9) in circa 722 BC, from then onward they were no longer considered "Israel" by God. IN THE BIBLE the name and title of "the house of Israel" and "the whole house of Israel" from then onward is applied ONLY to the house of Judah - and the house of Judah consisted of Judah, Benjamin, the Levites who served in the Jerusalem temple, and the handful of the other ten tribes who had chosen to live in Judah (because they had rejected the idolatry of the northern kingdom).
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The above kind of thinking brethren, is of the Jews who think they 'only' represent Israelites today. The Hosea prophecy God gave SPECIFICALLY to the northern ten tribe "kingdom of Israel" was NOT... to the Jews of the southern "kingdom of Judah". The Book of Hosea does mention Judah in a couple of verses, but God specifically sent His prophet Hosea to declare those prophecies to the ten northern tribes of Israel that He scattered.

And HERE is THE THING that makes Zao's statements above FALSE - starting in Hosea 2:14, God with that prophecy starting at Hosea 2:14 is REVERSING His anger against the TEN TRIBES OF ISRAEL, and instead of TOTALLY CASTING THEM OFF FOREVER, like deceived Jews like Zao thinks, God instead shows there in Hosea 2 that He KNOWS where He scattered those ten tribes, and HE HAS RESERVED SPECIFIC PROMISES AND BLESSINGS FOR THEM IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!

GOD even says through Hosea there that He would given the TEN TRIBES a "covenant" in that "wilderness" He scattered them to! That's about the New Covenant Jesus Christ! See this BRETHREN IN CHRIST...

Hos 2:14-23
14 Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her.
15 And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt.
16 And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call Me Ishi; and shalt call Me no more Baali.
17 For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name.
18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.
19 And I will betroth thee unto Me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto Me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
20 I will even betroth thee unto Me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth;
22 And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel.
23 And I will sow her unto Me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not My people, "Thou art My people"; and they shall say, "Thou art my God."
KJV

Now does that Hosea Scripture GOD gave through His prophet Hosea about the ten northern tribes sound like they are lost to God forever?? NO! of course not!

That last Hosea 2:23 verse Apostle Paul even quoted to Roman Gentile believers on The Gospel of Jesus Christ! (Romans 9:24-26)...

Apostle Paul speaking to Christians at Rome...

Rom 9:24-26
24 Even us, whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He saith also in Osee, "I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, 'Ye are not My people'; there shall they be called the children of the living God."
KJV

Thus the ten scattered tribes of the "house of Israel" (not Jews of the "house of Judah"), ARE LOST NO MORE, AND NEVER ACTUALLY WERE LOST TO GOD.

What is sad is that to DECEIVED Jews, the ten tribes are still LOST, they wrongly think.

WHY... would today's Jews claim the ten tribes are lost forever?? Why would they even make FALSE CLAIMS like Zao did with trying to pin that "house of Israel" label on Jews of the "house of Judah"?? The JEWS will NEVER be the "house of Israel". And the moniker "all the house of Israel" was a PREVIOUS LABEL PRIOR to the ten tribes being scattered by God. Once the ten tribes were scattered, they ONLY became distinctly called in God's Word, the "house of Israel".

Know what else the Jews hate to hear brethren in Christ?

They hate the fact that the name ISRAEL actually was what GOD called the NORTHERN TEN TRIBE KINGDOM ("kingdom of Israel"), which GOD gave Jeroboam of the tribe of EPHRAIM to reign over as "king of Israel", per 1 Kings 11. Yeah! That's right! Starting when God split old Israel into TWO separate kingdoms, ONLY the NORTHERN TEN TRIBED "KINGDOM OF ISRAEL" was known as ISRAEL. They are Biblically written as "house of Israel" and "kingdom of Israel".

What about the Jews of the southern kingdom that dwelt in the southern lands at Jerusalem-Judea? They made up ONLY the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. All the other tribes of Israel made up the northern "kingdom of Israel", and were not known as Jews. The title 'Jew' originated from the name of the tribe of Judah, per the Jewish historian Josephus. It applied ONLY to those of the southern kingdom. The southern kingdom was known as the "kingdom of Judah", or "house of Judah". That... is what is written in God's Word about the Jews.

So it makes sense that the name ISRAEL would actually FOLLOW the ten scattered tribes of Israel who would accept The Gospel of Jesus Christ in that "wilderness" which God scattered them to, and gave them His Blessings from there, with the earth hearing the corn, the wine, and the oil! Is it any wonder that in the Christian Western nations that God's Birthright Blessing to Jacob's seed was established there with plenty of corn and wine, instead of in the dusty deserts of the holy land among a small number of Jews?

 

[Davy]

So WHY... do some Jews hate the fact that God has NOT forgotten His Israel of the ten scattered tribes of the "house of Israel"?

It is because they have been indoctrinated with lies from false orthodox Jews of Judaism that are actually of the "synagogue of Satan" who want to STEAL Christ's Kingdom of Israel.

Even at this day, the false Jews are pushing a FAKE restoration of the old kingdom of Israel in the holy land. They are trying to use the Old Testament prophets as if they are speaking of today as the restoration, when that ain't... happening! And those false Jews are also sending our Christian Churches invites and asking us for donations to help them bring it about! And their Jewish plants in many of today's Churches are driving congregations to get on board with their evil plans!

Their attempt at restoration of the old kingdom of Israel today in the holy land involves their plans to build a 3rd temple in Jerusalem, and start old covenant worship again, with animal sacrifices, etc. That's why the first stage of their plan was to get the nations to agree to re-establish the Jews back in the holy land as a nation again, which happened in 1948 through U.N. Charter vote by the nations. The majority of today's Jews still... reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Messiah. So do you think God is for what they are planning in Jerusalem for this present time before Christ's coming? No, as Paul showed that God is going to send them "strong delusion" that they may believe a LIE.

And all the time those Jews have been planning their restoration of the kingdom of Israel, God's TRUE ISRAEL of the scattered ten tribes have been established in the "wilderness" among the Gentiles, and established in The Gospel of Jesus Christ, with ALL of God's Promises ESTABLISHED IN THE TEN TRIBES in the Western Christian Nations! Only a small number of Jews exist that have believed on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ/Messiah, but they are bombarded with false Jew lies against the ten tribe "house of Israel" which represents the majority of GOD's PEOPLE TRUE ISRAEL today under The Gospel, along with the believing Gentiles!

 

[Zao is life]

The above kind of thinking brethren, is of the Jews who think they 'only' represent Israelites today. The Hosea prophecy God gave SPECIFICALLY to the northern ten tribe "kingdom of Israel" was NOT... to the Jews of the southern "kingdom of Judah". The Book of Hosea does mention Judah in a couple of verses, but God specifically sent His prophet Hosea to declare those prophecies to the ten northern tribes of Israel that He scattered.

You're always showing up your own ignorance when you claim to be "exposing someone else's false doctrine" - like you are doing above again.

Hosea 1:10 does not apply to the house of Judah (the Southern kingdom, a.k.a "the Jews"). It applies to the part of Israel who God declared "Not My People" in Hosea 1:9 - whom Isaiah collectively called "Ephraim" and declared that they "shall be broken so that it shall not be a people." (Isaiah 7:8).

They were no longer God's people and hence had lost the right to be called by the name Israel after 722 B.C. Besides this, the Assyrian king exiled the vast majority of them, divided them all into smaller groups, and resettled each group, dispersing them into various parts of the Assyrian Empire, among Gentile peoples.

Their descendants intermarried with those Gentiles - and within a few generations they were no longer Israelites at all.

The only part of Israel that still maintained the right to be called by the name of Jacob / Israel from 722 B.C onward were the people of the Southern kingdom of Judah. Note: They had not been cut off by God like the ten tribes of the Northern kingdom had been.

Much later the name of the tribes of the Southern kingdom became synonymous with the title "the Jews".

The prophets from 722 B.C onward referred to the people of the Southern kingdom as "Israel, "the whole house of Israel", and "the house of Israel" interchangeably, except where mentioning the house of Israel alongside the house of Judah, such as in Jeremiah 31:31 which promised the New Covenant to both the house of Israel AND the house of Judah.

But there were NOT TWO ISRAELS. Once the Northern tribes had been declared "Not my people" by God, the only seed of Jacob (Israel) that remained and continued to be called by the name of Jacob / Israel, was Judah (the Jews).

And YOU can declare them "God's people" all you like after that, it makes no difference to God - because they had been declared "Not my people" by God. YOU have no power to change God's decree.

But the prophet Hosea spoke a mystery at the time he was inspired by God to write concerning Israel. He continued to write:

Hosea 1
10 Yet the number of the sons of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered. And it shall be, in the place where it was said to them, You are not My people, there it shall be said to them, You are the sons of the living God.
11 Then the sons of Judah and the sons of Israel shall be gathered together.

That's the prophecy Paul applied to Gentiles who believe in Jesus in when he spoke of it as having been fulfilled:

Romans 9
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Hosea, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

The only people Hosea 1:10 was speaking about in the prophecy Paul quoted, were the descendants of Jacob / Israel who were declared "not My people" BY GOD i.e the 10 Northern tribes. Paul is NOT associating the prophecy with the Jews in Romans 9:25-26 - because "the Jews" (Southern kingdom of Judah) had not been declared "not My people" BY GOD when Hosea's prophecy was given. Only the ten Northern tribes were declared "Not my people".

So between the Gentiles who are saved by Christ and the remnant of ISRAEL that were saved by Christ at the time Paul wrote, who do you think Paul was applying the prophecy to when he speaks as though Hosea 1:10 had been fulfilled?

He was not talking about the Jews - Israel - he was talking about the Gentiles. The ten Northern tribes had already become amalgamated with Gentile nations by the time Paul wrote because they had had 700 years of intermarrying with Gentiles in the nations.

THE ONLY "ISRAEL" Paul is speaking about in Romans 9:31, is the Jews who rejected Christ and were broken off in the 1st century A.D:

Romans 9
31 But Israel, who followed after a law of righteousness did not arrive at a law of righteousness.

If you agree that the "Israel" in Romans 9:31 is NOT referring to the 'lost 10 tribes' but to the Jews, then you have contradicted yourself.

The truth and historical fact of the matter is that the descendants of Jacob / Israel who God had declared "Not my people" and "not a people" through the prophets were not temporarily broken off in 722 B.C: They were no longer Israel after 722 B.C

- and by the time of Jesus they were ALL Gentiles, having had 700 years of intermarrying with Gentiles, and even IF any Gentile believed he could trace his ancestry back to Jacob, his ancestry would have been mixed with the Gentiles. Not even the Samaritans were NOT mixed with Gentiles - and Jesus said to the Samaritan woman,

"You Samaritans do not know what you worship. We know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews." (John 4:22).

He was telling her that they were NOT God's Israel (though they believed they were). The Jews were God's Israel and God's ONLY Israel at the time Jesus spoke those words.

The Jews who rejected and continue to reject Christ are now likewise broken off from Israel - just as the 10 tribes were in 722 B.C - but the difference between then and now is that in 722 B.C the 10 tribes were broken off FINALLY - but since the 1st century, any Jew who repents of his unbelief in Christ gets grafted back into Israel.

NONE of the ten tribes could be grafted back into Israel after 722 B.C without going through the usual Gentile conversion to Judaism procedure. They were no longer God's people.

Paul is applying Hosea 1:10 to Gentiles who believe in Jesus in Romans 9:25-26. It has NOTHING to do with anyone's DNA or who might or might not be descended from Jacob / Israel.​

 

[Davy]

Be careful of the silly rhetoric of the false Jews that come here who follow the "synagogue of Satan".

The MAJORITY of the Hosea prophecy God gave through His prophet Hosea is TO THE TEN TRIBES OF THE NORTHERN "KINGDOM OF ISRAEL" or "HOUSE OF ISRAEL".

Per the 1 Kings 11 Chapter, God was angry with Solomon because he allowed his many wives to bring their idol worship in among the children of Israel. And He warned Solomon about it, but Solomon would not change. So God rent the kingdom in two, but He waited to do it in the days of Solomon's son Rehoboam.

Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim, was setup as a governor over the northern ten tribes by Solomon. But when Solomon heard that God's prophet Ahijah came to Jeroboam, and tore Jeroboam's new coat into 12 pieces and gave Jeroboam 10 pieces, God telling Jeroboam He would make him king over Israel (ten tribes), then Solomon sought to kill Jeroboam.

Then God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms. Rehoboam, king of Judah, of the house of David, became king over the southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea. And ONLY the tribe of Benjamin was with him there, as written in 1 Kings 12. The rest of the tribes of Israel remained in the northern holy land and made up the "kingdom of Israel", or "house of Israel" under Jeroboam, king of Israel, also written in those 1 Kings 12 forward chapters.

And because the requirement then was for all to come worship God at Jerusalem, king Jeroboam over the ten northern tribes feared that many of the ten tribes would go to Jerusalem and augment the "kingdom of Judah" under Solomon's son Rehoboam. So Jeroboam, king of Israel, setup two calf idols in false worship in the north, and made common priests of the people, and told Israel here's your gods. The Levite priests in the north, having been prevented from their priest duties, thus left the north and went to Jerusalem and sided with Judah and Benjamin. A small remnant out of the northern ten tribes also refused the calf idols and went to side with Judah. Then the two kingdoms had war against each other.

After a while, through generations of kings of both kingdoms, God finally got tired of Jeroboam's calf idol worship in the northern kingdom, so He cast the northern ten tribes out of the holy land, captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes (2 Kings 17). They were never to return to the holy land as a people, and are still scattered to this day, and thus the name 'ten lost tribes of Israel'.

But the Genesis 48 prophecy to Ephraim was that his seed would become "a multitude of nations", and even to Jacob before that in Gen.35 that his seed would become "a company of nations". The Jews have always tried to HIDE this prophecy. They are against it, because the false Jews among them of God's enemies, those Jesus called the "synagogue of Satan", i.e., Satan's host crept in among them, are the actual ones calling the shots in the Jew's religion, and in today's Jerusalem, and even in many top positions in governments.

But just as Joseph was separated from his brethren, likewise the ten tribes were separated from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, even as it still is to this day. However, did Joseph fall into havoc and despair to become nothing? No! Joseph became 2nd in head of all Egypt, put in charge over making sure the people would survive the famine. Likewise with Ephraim and ten tribes, scattered to the "wilderness", like Joseph in Egypt, God blessed Ephraim and the northern ten tribes while scattered, and they became the WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS of history! That FULFILLED THE "MULTITUDE OF NATIONS" THAT EPHRAIM WAS PROPHESIED TO BECOME! And of course the Jews don't like for you to hear about that! While the majority of Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, The Gospel would then go to the LOST TEN TRIBES and to the Gentiles who believed which they were scattered among, becoming CHRIST'S CHURCH, initially in the Christian Western nations of Asia Minor and Europe. Britain was actually the first nation on a national scale to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior. Thus the Jews hate any reference to Britain in this prophecy also. Yet Britain was just one nation among the "multitude of nations" fulfillment. Even the United States of America is included in that "multitude of nations" alignment under Ephraim.

So the Book of Hosea is about the time when God got fed up with the calf idols of the northern ten tribe kingdom under Jeroboam, and was getting ready to scatter the ten tribes out of the holy land. THAT... is when God called them 'Lo-Ami', meaning 'not My people'. He had given them a symbolic bill of divorce and scattered them.

BUT... after He had scattered them to the "wilderness" of Hosea 2, He then said He would speak softly to them, and give them a COVENANT, and they would become Ami, meaning 'MY PEOPLE' again, and even those Gentiles who believed along with them! (per Paul in Romans 9).

Thus the false Jew liars here DO NOT WANT YOU TO READ THAT HOSEA 2 CHAPTER where God revealed a RETURN OF ACCEPTANCE OF THE TEN LOST TRIBES back into His Heart, and believing Gentiles along with them, ALL IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST!

 

[Davy]

So again, the Birthright Blessings and Promises from God first given Abraham, and finally upon Ephraim and Manasseh - LET'S SEE WHERE THOSE PROMISES HAVE BEEN THROUGH HISTORY...

1. God's promise to Abraham that his seed would as many as the stars of the sky and sands of the sea - that ain't the Jews, for since they only made up 3 tribes out of the total 12 tribes, how many more of the lost ten tribes would they be? So the Jews definitely cannot... claim today as being as many as the stars and sands of the sea. But the ten tribes who made up the founders of the Western Christian Nations can, along with the Gentiles in The Gospel with them!

2. to Abraham, land inheritance from the river in Egypt (Nile) to the river Euphrates (in Iraq). Do the Jews have possession of that today? Nope, they don't even have control of all of the city of Jerusalem today! The nation of Israel today is even controlled over by the United Nations charter. That's why when radical Islam attacks Israel, and Israel fights back gaining land, the U.N. makes Israel give it back! even as was done with Jerusalem after the '67 war!

3. control the gates of one's enemies - this means controlling the going and coming of one's enemies. Guess who built the Panama canal and the Suez canal, which definitely controls the going and comings of their enemies? The United States and Great Britain, NOT Israel.

4. plenty of corn and wine - this means the best land resources on earth. Where has that historically been? In the Western Christian Nations! even in the nations outside the West that accepted Jesus Christ also! And still today, the majority of crops and wine are still produced mostly by the western nations! Does that apply to the land of Israel? Not even close.

5. David's seed sitting upon his throne unto all generations -- this prophecy was in God's Birthright promises but given specifically to the tribe of Judah, and would never leave Judah (Gen.49:10). WHERE... today is there still one of David's seed sitting upon his earthly throne? Definitely NOT in Jerusalem, as the last king of Judah there in Jerusalem was king Zedekiah which Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, killed, and all of Zedekiah's son heirs killed also by Neb. Since then, in the prophet Jeremiah's day to present, there has never been another king of the tribe of Judah of the house of David to sit upon a throne there in Jerusalem. Yet God's prophecy to David was there would never fail a man to sit upon David's throne unto all generations.

David's throne was moved to the Christian West with The Gospel of Jesus Christ. That is where David's earthly throne to this day is still established, even though the royals who have sat upon it have been quite rebellious through history, and pretty much still are today. Yet God did warn Israel about that when so desired an earth human king instead of God as their King.

These Promises of God's Birthright thus can no longer be claimed by unbelieving Jews who have rejected The Gospel of Jesus Christ. They can yell their head off, but God's has ORDAINED these events to happen with His having placed Ephraim under control of the majority of His people ISRAEL. And I don't mean the little ole' nation called Israel in the holy land, because even though that is there by God's Promise also, of 1 Kings 11 that He would always leave ONE TRIBE at Jerusalem for David's and Jerusalem's sake, that definitely CANNOT REPLACE what He did with Ephraim's seed and the ten tribes under THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST who became the "multitude of nations" OF CHRISTIANITY!

6. Oh, and let's not forget THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, for that was one of the first Promises in God's Birthright given to Abraham, and Abraham believed and it was counted to Abraham as righteousness. And thus Apostle Paul said in Galatians 3 that those of FAITH are the "children of Abraham", and inherit with faithful Abraham! So have the majority of Jews believed on that Gospel of Jesus Christ? NO! The majority of the Jews today still REJECT Jesus Christ as The Messiah of The Bible. That immediately... reveals that the unbelieving majority Jews are NOT the inheritors of God's Birthright about The Gospel of Jesus Christ! It's simply yet another pointer that God's Promises are no longer established with the majority of Jews.

 

[Davy]

And yet another... Truth that shows deceived like Zao doesn't understand God's written Word about how the TEN LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL are STILL... known as ISRAEL to God, and still EXIST as an ISRAELITE PEOPLE TO GOD, is the following evidence directly out of GOD's Own Mouth...

God speaking to His prophet Ezekiel...

Ezek 37:16-24
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, "For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions": then take another stick, and write upon it, "For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions":

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, "Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?"

19 Say unto them, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in Mine hand.

According to the LIES which Zao espouses against the ten lost tribes of Israel, that above Scripture reveals that God will... IN THE FUTURE... gather the EXISTING TEN LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL that is in the hand of Ephraim, and join them with the stick of Judah represented ONLY by the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi!

So does that sound like all the lost ten tribes of Israel mixed with Gentiles so as to become totally unrecognizable?? Of course not! But that's the LIE Zao has been taught by the devils he follows of the "synagogue of Satan"!

Anyone with just a LITTLE common sense can figure out that the joining of the two sticks in the above Ezekiel 37 Scripture is STILL FUTURE and still yet to happen. And just the mere MENTION of that "stick of Joseph" representing the TEN TRIBES OF ISRAEL reveals the ten scattered tribes of Israel HAVE NOT BEEN ACTUALLY LOST TO GOD, and ARE STILL AN ISRAELITE PEOPLE OF GOD EVEN TODAY!!!


20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

That "two nations" idea means UNTIL that future gathering event God speaks of there happens, then God's Israel today ARE STILL "TWO NATIONS"! Only when those two sticks are joined back together will they no more be "two nations". Well, that just ain't... happened yet today! And it won't happen until Lord Jesus' future coming.

So what are those like Zao and those with him listening to instead, because they sure have MISSED this Ezekiel 37 prophecy, haven't they?!? They instead heed the false Jews of Judaism that have crept into their church, who are greedy devils because the false Jews aren't even born of the seed of Israel, yet they try to claim that they are Jews when they are not! (Rev.2:9; Rev.3:9) And they have the audacity to claim that all the ten tribes of Israel no longer exist because of mixing with Gentile?!?

The reality is that the JEWS are some of the MOST MIXED SEED with foreigners that they... cannot really produce PROOF of their seed heritage from the tribes of Israel!

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be My people, and I will be their God.

24 And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them.
KJV

That testimony that David shall be king over those reestablished Israelites when the two sticks are joined together is another proof that this gathering event has NOT HAPPENED YET, and is for Christ's future Kingdom at His return. If you hear a Jew claiming this has already happened, or is happening today, then run as far away from that devil that you can get, for they are either one of Satan's workers of the "synagogue of Satan", or they are deceived by Satan.

Amos 9:9 is yet another Testimony by God that He will gather the ten tribe "house of Israel" like grain through a sieve and not the least grain will fall to the floor. That means the TEN TRIBES TODAY ARE STILL AN ISRAELITE PEOPLE.

Again, anyone with common sense ought to be able to also understand that the Genesis 48 prophecy to Ephraim and his seed would become "A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS", and that his brother Manasseh also would become "GREAT", meaning a great people, well that could NOT happen unless the LOST TEN TRIBES UNDER EPHRAIM STILL EXISTS TODAY! That "multitude of nations" that Ephraim's seed would become was fulfilled in NEW LANDS after their scattering and becoming lost to the Jews and lost to the world. Lost Israel would become the Western Christian Nations in The Gospel of Jesus, and the false Jews especially, along with the whole world, WILL LEARN THIS when Jesus returns.

And per 1 Chronicles 5, God's BIRTHRIGHT PROMISES that were Joseph's went to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, where God's Birthright Promises STILL EXIST TO THIS DAY! So how could that be fulfilled if the ten tribes of Israel no longer existed as people today??

It truly is SICK with all the FALSE LIES that Zao speaks against this matter, GOING DIRECTLY AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD OF WHAT GOD SAID HE WOULD DO WITH HIS TEN LOST TRIBES OF THE SEED OF ISRAEL.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Some people just don't want to accept that God's people are all one in Christ Jesus regardless of what tribe of Israel they descend from, whether they are Jew or Gentile, whether slave or free, male or female. And that has been the case for almost 2,000 years now.

Galatians 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Davy]

And there's still the same LIE by those deceived by the false Jews, trying to DUMP God's prophecies in His Word of what He would do with the TEN LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL UNDER EPHRAIM, that Ephraim would become "a multitude of nations"!

"Israel" below is put for Jacob, his new name God gave him...

Gen 48:14-20
14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.

15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, "God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,

16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."

The above blessing is specifically to the SEED of Ephraim and Manasseh, Joseph's two sons born to him in Egypt. Jacob thus puts his name ISRAEL upon the two lads.

17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.

18 And Joseph said unto his father, "Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head."

19 And his father refused, and said, "I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
20 And he blessed them that day, saying, "In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh": and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
KJV

That above does NOT... say Ephraim would become the Gentile peoples. It declares that Ephraim's SEED would become "a multitude of nations", and that points directly to the ten scattered tribes of the northern "kingdom of Israel" becoming a great number of SEED in the new lands where God scattered them to (the "wilderness" per the Hosea 2 prophecy, which historically would be Asia Minor, Europe and the Americas).

Thus those who claim the ten scattered tribes are now NO MORE, or have literally become GENTILES, don't have a clue about this PROPHECY DIRECTLY FROM GOD THROUGH HIS SERVANT JACOB. Those deceived listening to the FALSE JEWS of the "synagogue of Satan" have simply been taught to claim the ten tribes of Israel are no more for the same reason they had Lord Jesus Christ murdered, to try and usurp Christ's Kingdom of Israel.

The liars don't realize that if the TEN SCATTERED TRIBES no longer existed after God scattered them to the "wilderness", then the Gentile would have NEVER had The New Covenant Gospel preached to them! That because The Gospel of Jesus Christ was part of the heritage contained in God's Birthright given to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh! The Gospel of Jesus Christ is included in God's Birthrigh, first preached to Abraham, then to Isaac, then to Jacob, then to Joseph, and then to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh.

The Gospel then... went to the Gentiles also which the TEN TRIBES UNDER EPHRAIM were scattered among. Those scattered ten tribes among the Gentiles ACCEPTED THE GOSPEL and were the main carriers of The Gospel after Christ's disciples. That's why many of Christ's Apostles preached The Gospel in Asia Minor and Europe, to preach to the ten tribes and to the Gentiles. This is why Jesus said in Acts 9 that He chose Apostle Paul to also preach The Gospel to "kings"! Figure that out brethren, because there were no kings of Israel existing in the holy land in Apostle Paul's day; Herod was of Idumean birth, not even born of Israel. A king line existed in old Spain, where Paul said he wanted to visit the brethren at. And those were the Milesian royal lineage that migrated to old Ireland and married there anointed next to the Jacob's Pillar Stone (Stone of Scone), thus starting the ancient king line of Ireland. That line continued to the ancient kings of Scotland, and then to the kings of England, all anointed on the Jacob's Pillar Stone that now resides in today's Scotland until king Charles today.

So by saying the LIE that the ten tribes of Israel and the Gentiles all became one in The Gospel means God's Prophecies specifically given to and about the TEN TRIBES and EPHRAIM AND MANASSEH did not happen is to CALL GOD HIMSELF A LIAR. And that is why those deceived who claim that don't realize their LIES come from the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan"!

Thus the idea that the SEED of ISRAEL, like Ephraim's and Manasseh' seed, STOP being the SEED of ISRAEL by becoming a Christian is to DENY CHRIST JESUS Who is KING of ISRAEL. It is like saying GOD's ISRAEL is no more! and no longer exists! Only someone deceived and that has very little Bible knowledge would make such a false claim that God's Israel is no more because of Christ's Church! Those reveal they are TOTALLY IGNORANT of what God has said in His Word about His Israel...


The following prophecy from God IS PART OF THE GOSPLE OF JESUS CHRIST to the seed of Israel, and that means the 'seed' of Israel that BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST:

Jeremiah 33:20-26
20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break My covenant of the day, and My covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also My covenant be broken with David My servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, My ministers.

22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David My servant, and the Levites that minister unto Me.

23 Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying,

24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, "The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off?" thus they have despised My people, that they should be no more a nation before them.

That above in red is exactly what the jackals claim here on this forum about the ten lost tribes of Israel no longer existing as a people today. They "despised My people" God says there about them, which they are still doing to this day.

25 Thus saith the LORD; If My covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David My servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
KJV

Those "two families" God mentions above in verse 24 He is pointing to the "two nations" of the Ezekiel 37 prophecy, the two sticks, the ten tribe "house of Israel" under Joseph's son Ephraim with the scattered ten tribes, and the 3-tribe "house of Judah" (Jews). Thus GOD'S ISRAEL TODAY IS STILL "TWO NATIONS", OR "TWO FAMILIES", or TWO HOUSES if you prefer. One is the JEWS of the "house of Judah" (3 tribes), and the other is the "house of Israel" (ten tribes).

So if anyone comes up to you claiming that God's ISRAEL today is only JEWS, then you know they are espousing LIES directly from the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" who had Lord Jesus murdered. The ten lost tribes of Israel did NOT become a Gentile seed by believing on Jesus Christ, as God has shown in several of His Old Testament prophets, the above Jeremiah 33 Scripture being just one of them.

 

[jeffweeder]

Some people just don't want to accept that God's people are all one in Christ Jesus regardless of what tribe of Israel they descend from, whether they are Jew or Gentile, whether slave or free, male or female. And that has been the case for almost 2,000 years now.

Galatians 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

v 29 is the key to who will inherit the promises given to israel.
No Jesus no inheritance.

Ephesians 3:6
[it is this:] that the Gentiles are now joint heirs [with the Jews] and members of the same body, and joint partakers [sharing] in the [same divine] promise in Christ Jesus through [their faith in] the good news [of salvation].

 

[Davy]

Now to belay a bit of confusion some... brethren in Christ may be having with this matter, Christ's Salvation is NOT about what 'seed' one is born of. As I have said before, ALL... must believe on God's Savior Jesus Christ, His death and resurrection, to have eternal Life. That of course includes the chosen 'seed' by God that He put in charge of His Blessings and Birthright, which included The Gospel of Jesus Christ even since when The Gospel was first preached to Abraham (see Galatians 3 by Apostle Paul).

Yet... that doe NOT... mean that GOD'S PROMISES to a specific 'seed' was made of no effect for this present world. Only those born of the seed of Israel that REJECT Jesus Christ are 'cut off' from God's Birthright to them. What does that means exactly?

It means God's concept of HIS ISRAEL is not about 'seed', but about FAITH on His Gospel Promise Jesus Christ. Those Gentiles who believe on Jesus Christ BECOME PART OF THE "COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL", Paul says to the believing Gentiles in Ephesians 2:11-13.

Does that mean God's concept of His nation of ISRAEL is no more by Christ's Church? Absolutely not! Even in Matthew 19:28 Jesus tells His twelve Apostles that in His future Kingdom they will sit upon twelve thrones reigning over the 12 tribes of Israel.

So if Christ's Church replaced God's concept of His ISRAEL, then how could Lord Jesus say that to His 12 Apostles about those 12 future thrones they will sit upon over the twelve tribes of future ISRAEL?

And even in Revelation 21, we are shown the future new Jerusalem, and with its 12 gates with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel written upon them! Does that say the names of 12 Churches, or 12 seminaries, etc.? NO! It specifically says the names of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL. That means what God said in Jeremiah 33 will be a fact, that the nation of ISRAEL will never... cease to exist! After all, the name ISRAEL actually means those who overcome with God's help. So are you an 'overcomer' in Christ Jesus? Then that name ISRAEL applies to you, regardless of your birth, as a believer on The Father through His Son Jesus Christ.

Thus GOD's ISRAEL was never meant to be just a single nation, but a COMMONWEALTH OF NATIONS to include the believing Gentiles. But that never meant seed-born Israelites stop being Israelites first given God's Promises and covenants...

Rom 3:1-3
3 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
KJV

Apostle Paul uses the word for a Judean, i.e., "Jew", but he is actually pointing to all seed-born Israelites. By the time of Paul's day, the ten tribes had already been scattered, and were lost to the Jews and to the world, and the 3-tribe "house of Judah" only was still existing in the holy land. That is why Paul refers to the Jew there.

And that is a problem many brethren in Christ have today, not understanding about that title of Jew. Many make the mistake of applying that title of Jew to ALL... born of Israel, when that title only applied to the 3 tribe southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea. (See 1 Kings 11 thru 2 Kings 17)

Per 1 Kings 11, God split the old nation of Israel into two separate kingdoms, and thus two separate nations. Then northern ten tribes that lived in the northern holy lands were split from the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin at Jerusalem-Judea in the south. Later, the tribe of Levi became joined with the tribes of Judah and Benjamin in the south, and all three of those tribes took the name Jew, which was derived from the name of the tribe of Judah. They became the "kingdom of Judah", or "house of Judah", and sometimes just called "Jerusalem" or "Judah" after the split. It was for this reason that Apostle Paul said he was a Jew born of the tribe of Benjamin.

But the ten northern tribes of Israel became their own kingdom also, separate from Judah. God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to reign over TEN TRIBES in the northern holy land. (See 1 Kings 11).

The capital city for the northern ten tribes was Samaria in the north. These were not Jews, not connected with Judah or the southern kingdom. These northern ten tribes became the "kingdom of ISRAEL" per God's Word. At this split, they became also known as the "house of Israel", or as just "Israel", or as "Samaria", or as "Joseph", or as "Ephraim". So one must pay attention to the detail of those titles for AFTER the split of old Israel by God so as to grasp which Bible prophecies God gave to which one, or even both at the same time with both houses mentioned in the same verse.

Why would the ten northern tribe "kingdom of Israel" be referred to also as just "Joseph" or "Ephraim" later in Bible prophecy? Recall that God's Birthright Promises wound upon Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh per 1 Chronicles 5. And that per Genesis 48, Ephraim's seed was to become "a multitude of nations". And per 1 Kings 11, God promised Jeroboam, one born of the tribe of Ephraim, that He would make Jeroboam "king of Israel" over ten tribes. Did GOD make a mistake by doing that? since He had promised that the king line would come from the tribe of Judah, from the house of David? (see 2 Samuel 7).

The 1 Chronicles 5 Scripture about God's Birthright also shows that the king line of Israel would stay with Judah, but the Birthright was Joseph's, and thus transferred to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh.

Then about 120 years after God had scattered the northern ten tribes under Ephraim out of the holy land, He ended the king line of Judah of the house of David in Jerusalem, Zedekiah, king of Judah, being the last king of the seed of David to sit upon a throne in Jerusalem (see Book of Jeremiah). Yet per God's Promise, given through Jacob in Genesis 49:10, the royal sceptre rule would never depart from Judah. That means one of the tribe of Judah of the house of David would always sit upon a throne over Israel, even to this present day. Yet in today's holy land, in Jerusalem, there still is NO king of Judah, of the house of David, sitting upon a throne there. So where did that throne of David go?

David's throne was transferred to the West, among the Western Christian Nations of history. That is why there is the symbol of a harp on the flag they draped over princess Diana's casket. It is why the harp is on the royal emblems of ancient Ireland, and on the Great Seal of Britain, also with the symbol of a lion on one side, representing the throne of the lion of the tribe of Judah, and on the other side a Unicorn representing the tribe of Ephraim ("unicorn" in the KJV is actually a 'bull' in the Hebrew).

Deut 33:17
17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
KJV

That's actually about a prophecy that was future when given at that time of Deuteronomy through Moses. It would apply to the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh after the split of old Israel, and after the ten tribes under Ephraim was scatted among the nations by God.

Again, per 1 Chronicles 5, Ephraim and Manasseh received God's Birthright Promise inherited from their father Joseph. Remember God's Promises beginning with Abraham, then Isaac, and then Jacob? Do you recall one of those Birthright Promises was to rule the gates of one's enemies?? Thus Ephraim and Manasseh were prophesied early on in Israel's history to push the people together to the ends of the earth like the above verse says. And that is about Apostle Paul's "commonwealth of Israel" UNDER JESUS CHRIST.

So how is it the Biblically illiterate and deceived claim under Christ Jesus God's Promises to the seed of Israel no longer exist? If that were true, then those of FAITH in Christ wouldn't even have Lord Jesus Christ to fall back upon! They just do not understand God's ways.