The Coming FALSE MESSIAH

[David in NJ]

You failed to mention what 'point' the above is trying to make.

I have covered 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 EXACTLY how it is written. And if it is the TIMING issue you have complaints about, I follow what Paul said there also, which he declares the future RESURRECTION with that idea that the dead in Christ must rise first.

1 Thess 4:16
16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
KJV

Is the raising of the dead not about the future RESURRECTION?

WHEN did Lord Jesus show the future resurrection will occur? He told us right here...

John 6:39
39 And this is the Father's will Which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
KJV

John 6:40
40 And this is the will of Him That sent Me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
KJV

Thus Apostle Paul revealed in that 1 Thessalonians 4:16 verse that the day of Christ's future coming to gather His faithful Church will be on the LAST DAY of this present world. That means a POST-TRIBULATIONAL COMING.

So why are you not wanting to follow the above Bible Scripture as written?

If you will stop using selective scripture reasoning(ssr) and RETURN to the WHOLE of Scripture, you will be BLESSED

#1 -EXAMPLE: 1 Thess 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

#2 -EXAMPLE: 1 Corinthians chapter 15 = the WHOLE chapter

If you are in NJ or within driving distance, we can meet up and have fellowship together in the WHOLE of Scripture.
It would be great!

 

[amigo de christo]

Okay, then let's simply compare 1 John 2:18 with 1 John 4:3

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that (spirit of) antichrist shall come, even now (because of that spirit) are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 4:3
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Yes! That SINGULAR spirit of antichrist causes there to be MANY antichrists in the PLURAL. These are the many individuals who do not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

Thus any who says that all religions serve the same GOD a christain does ,
is a co helper to that which is OF ANTI CHRIST and this anti christ peace plan of ecumeincal inlcusive intefaith .
Now , we sure do not want to be a co helper to that which is of anti christ and by many anti christs now spread
its false love for unity and its finding common ground for world peace .
OH that which is of anti christ , HAS INDEED been long long at work .
And i saw three spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the FP , the beast , the dragon .
For they are SPIRITS sent forth to deceive this world , its kings and all .
When JESUS warned he said beware FOR MANY will come in my name , MANY false prophets shall abound .
SO too do these many false prophets do the work and the working of that ENTITY .
the singular cometh to make the plural as ONE mind and one heart . And it leads them
all up into the same head of all darkness . To become one . To become ONE man
with one head as satan to do its all inclusive ecumeincal intefaith of anti christ will for world peace .
ITs now peaking in this last hour .

 

[amigo de christo]

Selective scripture for your selective misplaced human reasoning.

This can be summed up as such , selective amnesia syndrome .
How quickly a peoples forgets the whole of scrips for a favored doctrine of men gone wrong .
The selective for to attain the elective .
And boy have they elected to beleive man and not rather GOD .
For years upon years and decades upon decades and even from the start
there were always men who desired the pre emience and for to be seen of men
and were there to please man in order to win descples to themselves and to
get that money off them people .
But guess who did not heed them THEN and guess who still do not heed them even now .
IF ya said
THE SHEEP . BINGO . FOR JESUS has always from the beginning had His sheep and HE has us even now
at the end hour of it all . A time wherein the house has swollen full of leaven
and the peoples of all religoins do merge together under a lie . YES JESUS has us FAR FROM that LIE my friend .
And HE keeps us . Any guesses on what the sheep would have loved .
IF ya said TRUTH , then bingo again .
And again any guesses on what one BOOK contains SUCH LOVELY TRUTH . IF ya said bible , SPOT on right again .
YE shall know them by their love .
DO they love to twist and omit such words
OR DO they simply BELIEVE such words and hold them dear .

 

[amigo de christo]

If you will stop using selective scripture reasoning(ssr) and RETURN to the WHOLE of Scripture, you will be BLESSED

#1 -EXAMPLE: 1 Thess 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

#2 -EXAMPLE: 1 Corinthians chapter 15 = the WHOLE chapter

If you are in NJ or within driving distance, we can meet up and have fellowship together in the WHOLE of Scripture.
It would be great!

return to the WHOLE of scripture is a dire necessity and a plea for them to do so .
For if they continue to sit under twisted doctrine of men , they will continue to be only Decieved .
By grace have i loved to read that bible daily , not with mens scholars or twisted books for to learn , for MYSELF .
And i know , i know this generation will be f ast to say
BUT AMIGO that is how we got all them different denominations .
TO which i say LAY NOT the blame on bible reading , rather on the heart of man who did the wrong .
And i also say
to those who say to me , but hey amigo ye cannot learn that bible lest ye sit under our etc
And that again this is why we had so many differing denominations ,
I SAY
AND WHY DO YOU ALL THINK i never joined SUCH denominations nor the unholy RCC .
And why do ye think i did not buy into pre this or acryonom that ,
NOW ITS BIBLE reading time in the house , and in the house IT BE BIBLE READING TIME for all . OR they can continue
to not only remain decieved but to be led into the greatest delusion ever by highly wise sounding
lovey do sounding men . The time for to come out from amongst the well favored ecumeincal harlot IS NOW .
That ho leads them all to the very day of their peridition for she leads them all
to the peace of anti christ .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, I agree! Satan, a fallen angel, is an evil spirit being. He knows that Jesus has come in the flesh, but towards the human race as a deceiver, he denies that truth about Jesus.

Q. So then, what is the characteristic that proves that many are of that spirit of antichrist?
A. 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not [aka denies] that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:

Oh he can also use men in wool who profess to beleive , and yet bring deception and another jesus and another gospel .
Marvel not ear burner even the devils can cliam to beleive .
So too can his minstirs claim to BELIEVE and yet all along only decieve . OH YES ear burner
and our churches are loaded with such .
SO now hear and now heed this reminder .
GET far and wide from anyone , anything , and anyone connected to ECUMEINCAL INCLUSIVE and its intefaith .
They lie to us all and use the word LOVE a lot to do so . be ware of them for many they are and many they be of them .

 

[amigo de christo]

Satan is not Apollyon

Your understanding is influenced by men's traditions, and not on the above written Bible Scripture evidence.

One thing i know and that by grace i do know .
Satan has ministirs all over even christendom . And just like even the devils cliam to beleive
SO TOO and so can these . But they are there ONLY TO DECIEVE .

 

[Davy]

Okay. I didn't know that about you. I thought that you were Premil., which in some ways is like Postmil, but without the "Pre or Mid Trib. rapture theory".

You are confused about Premill.

I am... Premill, thing is that simply means when Jesus returns there will be a 1,000 year literal period in which the unsaved and wicked will still exist, and He must reign over them with His elect Church for that 1,000 years. Then the Great White Throne Judgement will happen after that period, in which all... the unsaved and wicked who reject Jesus Christ will be cast into the "lake of fire". Only then, once all the wicked are gone, does God's new heavens and a new earth come.

Just because the Pre-tribulational Rapture theorists believe in Premill also does not mean it is not Biblical. It is what the 1st century Church fathers believed, and it's easy to know why, because both The Old Testament and New Testament Scriptures point to it as a literal period when Christ returns and reigns over the wicked. Zechariah 9:9-10 declare those 2 comings by Messiah, and we still await His 2nd one.

However, you still believe in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ on earth, after His Glorious return from heaven to Jerusalem, as do the Premils.

I believe that because... it is written. (Revelation 20; 2 Peter 3:8-9; Zechariah 6; Ezekiel 40-48)

Did you know that Amilennials believe in a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth also, but figuratively? Ever since His Ascension into Heaven, He "reigns" through each of us, His church, which is for the purpose of preaching the gospel of Christ towards repentance, that many may believe in Jesus for their personal salvation, and to receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

Figuratively is NOT accepting the "thousand years" of Revelation 20 that is written literally. There are NO figurative Scripture associations written for it. Those figurative associations are simply thought up by men's traditions with NO Biblical Scripture support.

Take for example the Amillennialist theory that all the wicked are destroyed on the day of Christ's future return. What Lord Jesus said to the Church of Philadelphia that He would make those of the "synagogue of Satan" to come and worship at their feet is a major proof that the wicked are not... all destroyed at Christ's future coming (See Revelation 3:9). There are Old Testament pointers about the wicked still existing after Jesus' return; Zechariah 14:16-20 is another one.

And just think of it, nowhere in God's Word does a literal period represent something more than what it says, UNLESS God states so (like His day for a year idea in Ezekiel 4:6 and Daniel 9, which is ONLY for those specific prophecies.) Yet the Amill theory tries to stretch that "thousand years" period of Revelation 20 into a period over 2,000 years, since they believe it figuratively... began at Christ's cross. That's nothing but men's supposition, and nowhere written Biblically.

 

[Davy]

I am not bound by the basics of "the wisdom of men" through "grammar". But I am bound by "what the Holy Spirit teaches", "comparing spiritual things with spiritual". 1 Cor. 2
Are not the 1/3 of the fallen angels now demonic spirits called legion, for they are many?

I am bound by what The Holy Spirit teaches me also. But I do NOT agree that you allow yourself that, because you are heeding doctrines that men devised, and that are not... written by The Holy Spirit in God's Word (like I showed in a previous post about man's Amill theory). The Holy Spirit will NEVER... disagree with God's Word, and without the use of grammar, in whatever language, the written Word could not communicate. So trying to strike down the importance of grammar in relation to languages is to strike down God's written Word that He gave us through His chosen.

Therefore, IF... you are claiming The Holy Spirit as your teacher, and NOT the written Word of God, then you are claiming to be like one of Christ's 12 Apostles, when that requires DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF IN PERSON. And in my book, for today's time, that kind of claim is pretty much blasphemy against The Holy Spirit.

 

[Davy]

Satan is not Apollyon

Your understanding is influenced by men's traditions, and not on the above written Bible Scripture evidence.

You are wrong.

That Revelation 9 title "Apollyon" is from the Greek word apollumi (NT:622) which means 'perdition'.

That idea of perdition is about being cast into the future "lake of fire". As of today, ONLY Satan and his angels have already been judged and SENTENCED TO PERDITION in the "lake of fire". No flesh born man has been judged and sentenced to perish yet today, for that judgment does not take place until Jesus returns and each soul bows before Him.

Thus both those titles Apollyon, and Abaddon, are titles FOR SATAN himself. He is the king and angel over the bottomless pit.

 

[Davy]

Selective scripture often times leads us to an incorrect or partial understanding of the WHOLE of Scripture.

SHALOM Davy

You've been shown even back in The Old Testament that when God created the man Adam, his soul was NOT made up of flesh. Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 showed you. Yet Jewish tradition believes when our flesh dies, our soul dies as part of it, and both must be resurrected together.

Behold, The New Testament Scriptures make this more plain, as Jesus said in Matthew 10:28 to not fear those who can kill our flesh body but NOT OUR SOUL, but to fear The Father Who can destroy both body (spirit body) and soul in the future lake of fire.

Then Apostle Paul made it plain in 1 Corinthians 15:50 that flesh and blood CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Thus the selective... reading and added traditions of men is what YOU show yourself following, and not the actual written Bible Scripture.

 

[Davy]

If you will stop using selective scripture reasoning(ssr) and RETURN to the WHOLE of Scripture, you will be BLESSED

Do you really think those who actually read their Bible, will fall for your pushing that false "selective scripture" statement? You are very foolish if you think that will work, even though I admit it might... work on some poor illiterate and ignorant believer who only heeds what men say, like yourself.

#1 -EXAMPLE: 1 Thess 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Anyone... can simply cut and paste Bible Scripture without explaining the meaning. I do both. Why can't you? I know why, it's because what Paul actually wrote there disagrees with the doctrines of men you keep.

#2 -EXAMPLE: 1 Corinthians chapter 15 = the WHOLE chapter

If you are in NJ or within driving distance, we can meet up and have fellowship together in the WHOLE of Scripture.
It would be great!

The whole 1 Corinthians 15 Chapter INCLUDES THIS.... Want me to break it down for you? I assume you said yes...

1 Cor 15:51-55
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Apostle Paul right there above made a distinction between TWO GROUPS of saints, those who metaphorically sleep in Jesus that died in Christ, and then those still alive on earth when Jesus comes that will be 'changed'. He gave the very same... distinction in his 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 Scripture also.

And if you know your Old Testament Scriptures, events mentioned in Isaiah 25 are included in that future change for ALL peoples, and not just Christ's Church only.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Paul makes the distinction between the 2 groups of saints again, which he also did in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17. The asleep saints that have already died in Christ, Paul said Jesus will bring with Him (from Heaven) when He comes. They are resurrected. Then... the saints still alive on earth on that same... day of Christ's coming, are then "caught up" to Jesus and the resurrected saints, on Jesus' descent... to this earth per Acts 1 and Zechariah 14.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory."
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
KJV

Paul quotes from Isaiah 25 about death being swallowed up in victory. That is not just for the Church, but for ALL... peoples, according to Isaiah 25. The difference is the SOULS of the unsaved and wicked will NOT have put on immortality in Christ, but will only go through the change from a flesh body to a body of incorruption (spirit body).

Everyone after Christ's future coming will be changed to their spirit body.

 

[Douggg]

Thus both those titles Apollyon, and Abaddon, are titles FOR SATAN himself. He is the king and angel over the bottomless pit.

No, Satan is not Abaddon (Apollyon).

The flesh tormenting locust creatures released from the bottomless pit have a king over them named Abaddon (in Hebrew), Apollyon (in Greek). Revelation 9:11. Abaddon is a fallen angel, a cohort of Satan, but not Satan himself.

In Revelation 9:1, the star that falls from heaven, who opens the bottomless pit will be Satan, when Satan is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Satan is not Apollyon

Your understanding is influenced by men's traditions, and not on the above written Bible Scripture evidence.

What evidence do you have to back up your claim? Who do you think the locusts in the bottomless pit/abyss represent? I believe they represent demons/fallen angels. It says Apollyon is their king. Who else but Satan is the king of the demons/fallen angels? They are described as "his angels" in verses like Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 12:9.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, Satan is not Abaddon (Apollyon).

The flesh tormenting locust creatures released from the bottomless pit have a king over them named Abaddon (in Hebrew), Apollyon (in Greek). Revelation 9:11. Abaddon is a fallen angel, a cohort of Satan, but not Satan himself.

In Revelation 9:1, the star that falls from heaven, who opens the bottomless pit will be Satan, when Satan is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9.

Why would you take it literally as if they are literal locusts? Why would literal locusts have a fallen angel as their king? That makes no sense. The fact that Abaddon is a fallen angel is a very strong indication that the locusts symbolically represent fallen angels and they have Abaddon as their king. Who else but Satan could be called the king of the fallen angels? They are "his angels" (Matthew 25:41, Revelation 12:9).

 

[David in NJ]

What evidence do you have to back up your claim?

Revelation

 

[David in NJ]

You are wrong.

That Revelation 9 title "Apollyon" is from the Greek word apollumi (NT:622) which means 'perdition'.

That idea of perdition is about being cast into the future "lake of fire". As of today, ONLY Satan and his angels have already been judged and SENTENCED TO PERDITION in the "lake of fire". No flesh born man has been judged and sentenced to perish yet today, for that judgment does not take place until Jesus returns and each soul bows before Him.

Thus both those titles Apollyon, and Abaddon, are titles FOR SATAN himself. He is the king and angel over the bottomless pit.

@Selah included

Do all fallen angels enter into perdition?
Yes or No?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation

Lame response. Do you have no interest in actually backing up your claims? Why should anyone take what you say seriously in that case? If you're going to make claims you should be willing to back them up and to address challenges made to your claims.

 

[Triumph1300]

Apollyon, a term derived from the Greek word "Apollyon" meaning "Destroyer," is a title associated with Satan, the adversary of God and humanity.