The Case for Eternal Security

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The sinners were forgiven when Jesus died. The death penalty for sin was paid in full.

Jesus said you have to "Believe" to be forgiven., and if you dont "believe in me" "you shall die in your sins".

Paul said we are to preach the Gospel, so that they can Believe in Jesus.

You say "no, everyone is already a Christian.....all sinners are already forgiven, even if they never believe in Christ before they die".

So, one of the 3 of you is a Pompus Self Righteous Liar.

Its not Jesus, and its not Paul.

Believe it. @St. SteVen
Thats on you.

 

[St. SteVen]

A.) The born again are born again "NOT under the Law........but under GRACE".

No one is under the law. The law is done away with.

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

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[St. SteVen]

AA.) "Where there is no LAW, there is no SIN...(Transgression).."""""

Nevertheless...

Romans 5:13-14 NIV
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given,
but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses,
even over those who did not sin by breaking a command,
as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

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24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.

The verse you posted that you dont understand says.

"That we MIGHT be justified by faith".

Not that everyone already is, unverally, as LYING Universalist's Falsely Teach.

See, the "might" is the context.....and the FAITH is the requirement.

What does this mean?
It means that everyone has the opportunity to Trust in Christ....and those are the "might be Justified".....
And not everyone will trust.....so, that is why the verse does not say.."everyone will, or everyone has". @St. SteVen

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
John 6:29 NIV
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

To "believe on the one whom God sent"........is to "OBEY The Gospel.

To OBEY the Gospel, is to BELIEVE IT before you die.

Many won't have the opportunity until after physical death.
Every knee will bow and every tongue acknowledge Jesus as Lord.
In heaven, on earth and under the earth. (in the realm of the dead)
No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
If you confess Jesus as Lord you will be saved.

Got it?

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[Behold]

Many won't have the opportunity until after physical death.

You keep posting your obsessive pipe dream that will never prove that God is not able to get the Gospel to everyone.
In fact, He's doing it right now, worldwide while you keep coming to this fourm to lie to these members, and try to lead unbelievers into hell by telling them that they dont have to trust in Christ before they die, as in the end, everyone is going to be saved.

One day, one of these Forum Mods, is going to wake up, and that will be the day that your demonic cult teaching is found missing from this forum.
Believe it.

See, ive dealt with all of these Mods, and they all know that you have to trust in Christ to be saved = before you die.....and you deny this has to happen.....before a person dies.... and eventually one oif them is going to put an end to your false Cross rejecting theology , that you post for carnal fun, ... at the expense of some good people here who do not deserve to be lied to daily, by somone like you. @St. SteVen .

Every knee will bow and every tongue acknowledge Jesus as Lord.

Yes, every person in Hell, and everyone else, will say that "Jesus is Lord", and those in Hell, will stay there until its time for Hell to be "cast in to the Lake of Fire" with them in it.

 

[St. SteVen]

You keep posting your obsessive pipe dream that will never prove that God is not able to get the Gospel to everyone.

You need to educate yourself about unreached people groups.

Unreached People Groups-100 Largest | Joshua Project

Unreached People Groups-100 Largest. Including maps, sortable statistics and downloadable data.

joshuaproject.net

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[Behold]

You need to educate yourself about unreached people groups.

I have faith in God that He is able to do "all things", such as something simple like making the Cross of Christ availabe, worldwide, this last 2000 yrs. and into the FUTURE.
You are welcome to keep reading whatever causes you to doubt God, and His Bible = As is you are always inclinded to do, @St. SteVen .

 

[St. SteVen]

I have faith in God that He is able to do "all things", such as something simple like making the Cross of Christ availabe, worldwide, this last 2000 yrs. and into the FUTURE.
You are welcome to keep reading whatever causes you to doubt God, and His Bible = As is you are always inclinded to do, @St. SteVen .

There are statistics on unreached people groups.

Where does the Bible say that everyone will be reached? (as you claim)

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[Behold]

There are statistics on unreached people groups.

So, the researchers you are dedicated to presenting, are able to reach these groups, but Almightly God can't is your proof text..

Uh huh.

You really think these things through.
Ive noticed.

Where does the Bible say that everyone will be reached? (as you claim)

It doesn't have to say it, because, The Cross Of Christ is always presenting salvaiton.

You should do some research on the "visions of Jesus" people are having in countries that dont allow HIM THERE.

 

[St. SteVen]

So, the researchers you are dedicated to presenting, are able to reach these groups, but Almightly God can't is your proof text..

Uh huh.

You really think these things through.
Ive noticed.

Currently 1,975,489,000 unreached people.
Where is the scripture I requested from you? (that all of these will be reached before they perish) ???

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[St. SteVen]

One day, one of these Forum Mods, is going to wake up, and that will be the day that your demonic cult teaching is found missing from this forum.
Believe it.

I should report you. But I don't want my topic closed due to your behavior.

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[St. SteVen]

You say "no, everyone is already a Christian.....all sinners are already forgiven, even if they never believe in Christ before they die".

You used quote marks to frame something I never said.
Bearing false witness again?

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[Behold]

Currently 1,975,489,000 unreached people.

A secular Graph, that has no accountability and no provability?
Really?


So, most of those people are in a Country where The Cross of Christ is understood......Its been "preached" for many years.

Such as Japan or India.
Countless Missionaries go there, or have been there.....long ago.
Many of these countries on your graph allow bibles, allow Christianity.
So, access is granted, but not all will believe.

Where is the scripture I requested from you? (that all of these will be reached before they perish) ???

"If i be lifted up (on the Cross) I will DRAW ALL People to Me"

Jesus said....

 

[St. SteVen]

A secular Graph

It's not a secular graph. - LOL

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[St. SteVen]

"If i be lifted up (on the Cross) I will DRAW ALL People to Me"

Yes. When will that happen for the unreached people groups?

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[Sister-n-Christ]

I should report you. But I don't want my topic closed due to your behavior.

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That could be their intention. That this topic is closed.

Salvation is eternal and cannot be revoked. Jesus said it. Paul reiterated it .

Imagine calling Jesus and Paul Calvinists.

Worse? Liars.

But people do.

 

[St. SteVen]

That could be their intention. That this topic is closed.

Yes. That tactic has been used successfully in the past.
Better not to report their bad behavior.

Salvation is eternal and cannot be revoked. Jesus said it. Paul reiterated it .

Amen.

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[Sister-n-Christ]

Yes. That tactic has been used successfully in the past.
Better not to report their bad behavior.


Amen.

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False teachers always have a reason to panic.

What amazes me is they think God doesn't notice. Which tells me,they don't fear God. Otherwise they wouldn't edit his truth to their liking.

Can you imagine? God became flesh to bring his new covenant of eternal salvation to the world.
But,he wasn't serious when he said he would lose none who are in his saving grace. Given he wrote their names down in his Lambs book of life before creating the world. As that Lamb that was sacrificed for this purpose and again,before the foundation of the world.

None of that is true of course. No. It's temporary reprieve from sin. God chose us but we can choose to say no thanks. I'd rather be damned. What's wrong, God? Didn't see that coming?

Lord. I don't really think false teachers, gospel deniers,take themselves seriously. Their goal is hoping we do. And begin to wonder or doubt.
Which says a lot.

 

[St. SteVen]

Can you imagine? God became flesh to bring his new covenant of eternal salvation to the world.
But,he wasn't serious when he said he would lose none who are in his saving grace. Given he wrote their names down in his Lambs book of life before creating the world. As that Lamb that was sacrificed for this purpose and again,before the foundation of the world.

None of that is true of course. No. It's temporary reprieve from sin. God chose us but we can choose to say no thanks. I'd rather be damned. What's wrong, God? Didn't see that coming?

Right.
No one chooses to be damned.

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